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| r.Evo Germany. June 17 2012 03:32. Posts 5195 | Profile # |
I feel kind of stupid after reading some pages in this thread.
For me the issue was resolved after seeing that "It's not in the territorial waters of Argentina" and "The inhabitants want to be British". It doesn't seem like rocket science. |
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| Ramong Denmark. June 17 2012 03:46. Posts 941 | Profile # |
On June 17 2012 03:32 r.Evo wrote:
I feel kind of stupid after reading some pages in this thread.
For me the issue was resolved after seeing that "It's not in the territorial waters of Argentina" and "The inhabitants want to be British". It doesn't seem like rocket science.
I agree with you, but the Argentinians obviously don't.
They care so much they went to war, so not taking this seriously would be stupid. |
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| Chocolate United States. June 17 2012 03:51. Posts 1473 | Profile Blog # |
On June 17 2012 03:46 Ramong wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 03:32 r.Evo wrote:
I feel kind of stupid after reading some pages in this thread.
For me the issue was resolved after seeing that "It's not in the territorial waters of Argentina" and "The inhabitants want to be British". It doesn't seem like rocket science.
I agree with you, but the Argentinians obviously don't. They care so much they went to war, so not taking this seriously would be stupid.
As many have pointed out, it is just Argentinian nationalistic politicians turning a non-issue into an issue to garner popular support. It is not the actual issue of who gets the islands that is important, as I'm sure anyone that is even slightly knowledgeable about the issue would say the Falklands belong to the UK; it is simply a matter of how far Argentina is willing to go to try to get the Falklands. |
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| GoTuNk! Chile. June 17 2012 03:54. Posts 2219 | Profile Blog # |
| Argentina is falling apart, its a common tactic to divert attention outside and appeal to nationalism to keep popularity up. Same as Bolivia does blaming their underdevelopment to not having an exit to the sea. |
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| MeriaDoKk Chile. June 17 2012 04:04. Posts 1688 | Profile Blog # |
| Complicated issue, in my heart I wish the island would be Argentinian, and I also think that we should support them (our country and the rest of Latin America) though that won't happen, we are too busy fighting each other too. |
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| Nothingtosay United States. June 17 2012 04:11. Posts 851 | Profile Blog # |
On June 17 2012 04:04 MeriaDoKk wrote:
Complicated issue, in my heart I wish the island would be Argentinian, and I also think that we should support them (our country and the rest of Latin America) though that won't happen, we are too busy fighting each other too.
Why? Because they are like you? The Falklands have been under British dominion for longer than any other state.Last edit: 2012-06-17 04:12:39 |
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 Aunvilgod June 17 2012 04:16. Posts 2031 | Profile # |
On June 17 2011 09:56 Beorning wrote:
If I remember correctly, a large supply of oil was recently found under and around the islands. That answers whether Britain will ever give them up peacefully. Perhaps another war is the wings? Hopefully not, but I have no idea how strong Argentina's military is these days.
Not as strong as the NATO. If Argentina attacks it will fight the whole NATO. |
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| revel8 United Kingdom. June 17 2012 04:20. Posts 2704 | Profile # |
Argentina have no valid claim. The Falklands were never part of Argentina. The Falkland Islanders overwhelmingly want to be part of Britain rather than part of Argentina. If you believe in democracy at all, then the Falkland Islands should remain part of Britain. Argentina fought a stupid war about this and people on both sides died due to this idiocy.
I like Argentinians but seriously Argentina has been getting along fine throughout it's history without the Falklands. |
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| zezamer Finland. June 17 2012 04:26. Posts 1805 | Profile # |
Britain will never give up Falklands:
oil and people there feel that they are british
Falklands is also really close to Antarctica, so would it let Britain have a part of it if the land is shared one day ???[Last edit: 2012-06-17 04:33:12 |
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| Iksf United Kingdom. June 17 2012 04:29. Posts 369 | Profile # |
| War was stupid from Argentina, no chance of a repeat theyr just too outmatched to risk it. Some people are annoyed due to losing friends/family in the war etc but most Argentinians have put it behind them. Last edit: 2012-06-17 04:29:30 |
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| Zaros United Kingdom. June 17 2012 04:31. Posts 1197 | Profile Blog # |
On June 17 2012 04:26 zezamer wrote:
Britain will never give up Falklands:
oil and people there feel that they are british
Falklands is also really close to Antarctica, so would it let Britain have a part of it if the land is shared one day ???
Britain already owns a fair chunk of Antarctica but more is always good :D |
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| Ramong Denmark. June 17 2012 04:35. Posts 941 | Profile # | |
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| Zaros United Kingdom. June 17 2012 04:40. Posts 1197 | Profile Blog # |
Fine claim then we still use our area for scientific research and I believe have a scientific base there. |
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| Cirqueenflex June 17 2012 04:40. Posts 399 | Profile # |
From said wiki link:
"The Antarctic Treaty Secretariat headquarters have been located in Buenos Aires, Argentina, since September 2004."
So no, this would in fact reduce British chances of getting a chunk of Antarctica if they further piss off Argentina 
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| Scootaloo June 17 2012 05:07. Posts 634 | Profile # |
As someone with a pretty big anti-brit bias, I say the argentinians have no claim whatsoever.
British people that arn't argentinian in language or DNA, who never deposed any natives apart from some wildlife, who want to be british, who's only war ever fought was against the argentinians and who would only stand to lose from joining a country that's far less powerfull or stable then britain.
Only real reasons for Kirchners saber rattling I can see is the "proximity" argument and anti-colonial sentiments, the proximity argument is pretty weak as it's far away from Argentina as well and anti-colonial sentiments are just misguided as the brits never subjugated anyone to build their military base there.
So either Kirchner is retarded or she's just doing it for the politics/oil, and sadly enough for her, that's not enough for a cassus belli, not that her attempts would fare better then last time. |
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| jello_biafra United Kingdom. June 17 2012 05:24. Posts 5811 | Profile Blog # |
What the Argentine government completely fails to grasp is that it's a matter of self-determination, the Falklands are an independent, self-governing territory, the British government can't legally just give the Falklands to Argentina even if they wanted to.
Argentina should focus on it's on failing economy before it defaults and it's 2001 all over again.
On June 15 2012 13:07 fortheGG wrote:Noone really cares about the islans, its about oil/votes. The irony is that the british government is hiding behind the idea that the islanders want to be part of the UK, yet they try to do everything to make sure Scotland cannot leave the UK based on the same principle.
Show nested quote +Is there any kind of economic interest in these islands? Sounds kind of dumb for Argentina to fight over a small piece of land that has a population that don't want to be Argentinian, and for such a long time.
Diplomacy does not cost nearly as much as military conflict and I'm sure this is a good boost to the current Argentinian President's poll status. Regarding the economic interest, there was some oil iirc.
Yeah...I'm from Scotland and I have to ask what the hell you're on about.
On June 16 2012 07:25 Rassy wrote:
"The British view on this is that since we have the islands now, and have done for nearly 200 years, since we have defended it militarily and since the islanders all want to be British subjects, the islands are ours"
The fact they have had the islands for 200 years and defended them militarily is barely a strong claim.
The same can be said for all former overseas colonys England and other european nations had, and nearly all thoose colonys are now independent. Noone now would think in their right mind that they should not be independend.
For the people on the falklands its a economic choise mostly i think, of course they would vote to remain british.
England has a verry weak claim on the islands imo though argentina barely has a stronger case based on location.
The islands are 500km from argentina and look large enough to be independant.
It would be a bit like america claiming cuba.
Not sure who the first people where who lived there, i have no clue but i would guess people from argentina.
If so that would give Argentina,s claim alot more weight.
Odd this comes up again after 30 years, another war about it seems impossible (though it was a real shock 30 years ago also) maybe argentina will get some economic advantages in exchange for giving up their claim.
Hmm ok nobody lived there initially so i guess the first inhabitants would have been british.
It does make Englands claim a bit stronger.
Still i think it realy is not done in these times to claim territorys more then 5000 miles from your home country based on the simple fact that you conquerd them first.
The people wanting to be english is a good reason but thats not the way to settle such disputes either.
England could simply conquer every "poor" country by letting them vote to become british and receive all benefits of beeing british.
When looking at it from a moral point of vieuw i find englands claim verry weak,though argentinas claim barely stronger.
Imo the islands should be independant, and if they are independant and vote to be british (wich they would it seems) noone in their right mind would deny them that right.
So i do think that the situation should stay as it is but i find englands arguments for this verry weak.
In the end its the strongest nation that makes the law, so i dont think England needs to be particulary woried in this case annyway lol.
They were uninhabited when discovered by an Englishman and they ARE independent. Also, over the last 200 years Argentina has controlled the islands for a total of about 4 months...their first settlement was shut down by the US for piracy, the second occassion they decided to pay a visit was in 1982 and I think we all know how that ended.
On June 16 2012 10:20 Kasu wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 09:46 norjoncal wrote:
On June 16 2012 08:26 Captain Calamity wrote:
What I find intriguing is that the USA inst particularly forthcoming in backing the only people who backed them 100% in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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The UK did help the USA but I thought they did it for the greater good or humanity rather than for brownie points. This is a diffeent case it is a UK territory. It would be like the USA asking for help if Puerto Rico was being threatened. If you can not defend your own land it will no longer be yours. Someone before mentioned that the UK has airbases all around the world so there is not a need for aircraft carriers. You still have the logistics to get the planes and the gear there,food,gas,bullets and bombs.
No and no again. They justified our (UK) involvement with the "greater good" excuse but nobody believes that. Look at all the other civilised countries that didn't get involved - are you really suggesting that every one of them is somehow deficient in humanity? No, they just didn't want America's friendship badly enough to go to war for it. Also helping one another in case of invasion is (well, perhaps less than in the past) one of the primary reasons to even have an alliance. Strength in numbers. Of course, the USA doesn't need shit from the UK so they will always be more reluctant to jump in on our side, whereas strong diplomatic ties with the world's top superpower is something we don't want to lose, therefore we come running when the US calls.
The British government was already keen on taking out Saddam, the opportunity of the US-led invasion was perfect for them.
The US provided weaponry (sidewinder missiles for example), supplies, satellite imagery and other intelligence to the British in the Falklands war, what makes you think they wouldn't help out if Britain had to fight another war?Last edit: 2012-06-17 05:49:01 |
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| docvoc United States. June 17 2012 06:08. Posts 3456 | Profile Blog # |
On June 17 2011 10:40 KwarK wrote:Argentina didn't even exist until 1811, British use of the islands predates that by centuries. The islands are a long way outside Argentinian national waters, being the closest landmass to the islands means nothing if they are populated and they don't wish to be governed by you. France has more claim to Britain than Argentina does the the Falklands. They're populated entirely (well, except this one guy) by Brits whose parents were Brits (and so forth back for two centuries) and have full citizen rights. Every argument for the Falklands belonging to Argentina can be reversed with just as much validity for Argentina belonging to Britain (by virtue of the Falklands) because it is simply an argument of proximity; history, nationality, self determination, culture and international law are all on the side of Britain. The only reason this is an issue at all is for internal Argentinian political reasons.
Show nested quote +Ethnic groups 61.3% Falkland Islander
29.0% British
2.6% Spaniard
0.6% Japanese
6.5% Chilean & Other
Does that look Argentinian to anyone?
Most UK and Argentinians feel very strongly on the issue, as I'm sure you do Kwark, can you explain to us why? I understand the debate about is it ours, but why hasn't the debate just been stopped? I'm actually very confused, I know that GoTunk said that its common practice to look outward in south america cuz the inner politics isn't very good at all with the economic side being specifically corrupt, is that the main reason? |
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| Evangelist June 17 2012 06:11. Posts 1167 | Profile Blog # |
It would be phenomenally stupid at a time of relative unpopularity for David Cameron for Argentinian sabre rattling to end in a limited war which they would lose in record time. The Falklands are the Falklands. Nevermind Las Malvinas. They are the Falkland Islands and everyone over here is well aware of the Argentinian political situation.
As I understand it, most of the Argentines themselves are pretty embarrassed about it all. |
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| DeepElemBlues United States. June 17 2012 06:13. Posts 3589 | Profile # |
| Britain cared about the islands before oil exploration was done, so why do people keep talking about oil? Oh wait... because oil is the bogeyman. Number one straw to grasp if you want to disagree and express your knee-jerk antipathy, but don't really have a reason why. Must be oil! Last edit: 2012-06-17 06:14:14 |
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| SgtCoDFish United Kingdom. June 17 2012 06:22. Posts 1448 | Profile Blog # |
The only "strong feeling" I have about this is that the islanders want to be British. I don't give a shit about the past (although I understand that it can't be ignored by politicians, EDIT: and IMO it supports the British claim to the islands anyway).
If they stop wanting to be British, they're quite welcome to start talking about becoming Argentinian. I don't think that'll happen any time soon, though.
If they want to be British, they should remain so: if Argentina starts another Falklands war it would be utterly stupid, in part because they're basically trying to "kidnap" the islanders and mainly because they can't hope to win.
The entire debate is just so stupid and an obvious political stunt by Argentina's govt.Last edit: 2012-06-17 06:28:27 |
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