| Jastermarrel United States. June 21 2011 07:18. Posts 48 | Profile Blog # |
So I was in my local Best Buy today looking at the Razer Nostromo and on the box it said "Whether your passion lies in FPS, MMORPG, or RTS games, the Razer Nostromo® gaming keypad is designed to give you the upper hand with cutting edge ergonomics designed for intuitive game control while you play in complete comfort." I was wondering for those of you out there who have this; do you use it for SC2? And if you do, does it preform well and give you the "upper hand with cutting edge ergonomics" Razer says it does? Thank you for the feed back in advance! 
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 JingleHell United States. June 21 2011 07:21. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
| Ergonomics are subjective. |
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| Jaxtyk United States. June 21 2011 07:22. Posts 598 | Profile Blog # |
| Razer sucks. Their products are cheap feeling and break easily. |
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| JingleHell United States. June 21 2011 07:23. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On June 21 2011 07:22 Jaxtyk wrote:
Razer sucks. Their products are cheap feeling and break easily.
Not all of them. Their mousepads are excellent. Their software also has QA/QC issues. |
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| HikariPrime United States. June 21 2011 07:42. Posts 122 | Profile # |
| Sorry, To stay on topic, I got to try one out. I personally dont like it. It isnt allowed at LANS anyway so it MIGHT make laddering easier I guess. Last edit: 2011-06-21 07:52:19 |
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| Jastermarrel United States. June 21 2011 07:48. Posts 48 | Profile Blog # |
| Guys I am specifically asking for reviews on this product in relation to SC2 performance, not your opinion on Razer products in general. Does it help to macro the common keys you use on SC to produce SCV's and marines (I play terran) and have it all in one little keypad or to just use the keyboard? Has it helped you as a gamer to inprove your SC play? Thanks again! |
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| JingleHell United States. June 21 2011 07:50. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On June 21 2011 07:48 Jastermarrel wrote:
Guys I am specifically asking for reviews on this product in relation to SC2 performance, not your opinion on Razer products in general. Does it help to macro the common keys you use on SC to produce SCV's and marines (I play terran) and have it all in one little keypad or to just use the keyboard? Has it helped you as a gamer to inprove your SC play? Thanks again!
If all you want are reviews, you can search TL and see if anyone has reviewed it, and if not, you can try google. We call that the "not being lazy" approach. |
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| Drock United States. June 21 2011 07:50. Posts 289 | Profile # |
This thread is about whether or not you "get an upper hand" from the Nostromo. Please don't turn this into a thread about whether or not you think Razer makes quality products.
On topic:
I have one of the Nostromo's but haven't used it for an RTS. I did use it for a long time when I played WoW and it made PvPing a lot faster. I had every spell without having to reach more than 2 keys. For FPS's it didn't really make much difference for me.
I'm not sure but would it be "tournament legal" to have all the hotkeys mapped to the Nostromo? If it was I'm sure there would definitely be an advantage gained as keys would be closer together |
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| JingleHell United States. June 21 2011 07:58. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Zeke50100 United States. June 21 2011 07:59. Posts 2179 | Profile Blog # |
Haha, "getting an upper hand". Only if you're affected by the placebo. /thread
There's nothing else to discuss.
Macros are legal so long as they only activate a single keypress (e.g. setting a button to be a duplicate of "A" would be fine, but setting the button to "1->A" would not). |
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| Jastermarrel United States. June 21 2011 07:59. Posts 48 | Profile Blog # |
| @HikariPrime It isn't tournament legal? So if I were trying to hopefully go pro (my ultimate goal) or at least compete in low level tournies, I would not be able to use it? That would well change my mind completely...... |
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| Jastermarrel United States. June 21 2011 08:00. Posts 48 | Profile Blog # |
@JingleHell I didn't ask Google because I wanted a direct feedback from a community of reliable SC players who know what they are talking about most of the time  |
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| Jastermarrel United States. June 21 2011 08:02. Posts 48 | Profile Blog # |
| @Drock Did you feel like you had an upper hand in WoW? Cause I play that game quite often as well and have been looking into starting PvP lately.... |
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| JingleHell United States. June 21 2011 08:03. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On June 21 2011 08:00 Jastermarrel wrote:@JingleHell I didn't ask Google because I wanted a direct feedback from a community of reliable SC players who know what they are talking about most of the time
Reliable? The signal/noise ratio on this subforum blows, and like I said, ergonomics are massively subjective anyways. |
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| sinani206 United States. June 21 2011 09:33. Posts 1649 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Jastermarrel United States. June 21 2011 09:35. Posts 48 | Profile Blog # |
| @sinani I am not looking for a guide on the easiest way to use it. I am looking for a personal review on how it has helped you with your game play or the opposite. |
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| wesrawr United States. June 21 2011 09:51. Posts 7 | Profile # |
I use an n52te for when I play on my laptop, and a keyboard for playing on my desktop.
I originally bought it for WoW, along with a Razer Naga, due to the lack of comfort my laptop keyboard provided. For my desktop, as said I use a keyboard and a Razer Mamba
If I had to review it specifically for SC2, I would not say that it is worthwhile when compared to using a keyboard. This would have to be based upon efficiency.
For the ease of the argument, lets use the Grid Style Hotkey setup
On a standard keyboard, you obviously have certain keys easily usable with one hand (~-6, tab-y, caps - g, shift - b, +ctrl, alt, space, esc - f6) about 36 keys depending on your comfort zone. About as many as using SC2 to its full potential requires.
On the n52te, you have 14 standard keys, a scroll wheel you can bind using up, down and click, two thumb buttons, and a d-grid which you can bind Up down left and right. 23 possible single key press combinations.
Knowing this, its obvious you are going to have to make a few decisions.
Lets say my number of 36 keys to fully optimize your play is correct, as well as the n52 having 23 possible choices. That would be 13 keys taken away.
At a bare minimum, you are going to want:
QWERT
ASDFG
ZXCVB
Ill add the Esc key because you dont want to manually click in the event you hit a wrong key.
So 16
Now add in the Control Groups I imagine you'd prefer to use.
So that would require mapping Shift, Control and however many groups you typically use, 1,2,3,4,5 etc. Lets say 5 to be minimalist.
So 7 more keypresses, bringing us to 23.
If you play zerg you may also use Backspace to go through your hatches for injects
Just enough to play at a basic level, as well as equal to the number available from the n52. Or 1 too many, being zerg.
However there are a few things to take into consideration.
Perhaps you are not comfortable with using a scroll wheel, 2 thumb buttons plus a thumb d-pad to map your extra keys, I cant answer that for you, its a personal choice that will take getting used to.
It depends on you and whether or not you think you can play without such keys as f1, space, screen saves, max ctrl groups, etc.
Personally, when I use my laptops setup, I map the groups to my naga, and hotkeys to the n52. Which I find a necessary combination if you are set upon the n52.
My final Opinion / Review would be the following.
Razer Nostromo n52 TE
Minimalist hotkey set up is required.
Using a naga would improve the situation, however if you play at a fast rate, the key grid on the naga will NOT allow you to roll through your control groups like a pro, they just arnt made for that kind of use while also wanting to use a mouses basic uses to their fullest potential.
Will have to resort to using an unfamiliar handstyle when likely used to a typical keyboard hand motion / rest.
Cant reach the potential of a standard keyboard and mouse setup.
Typing GLHF is annoying when you have to move your hand from the grid to the keyboard.
Convenient for laptop users that find built in keyboard to be less then satisfactory.
It may help you develop faster then some, however there is a plateau that is set lower then the traditional method.
Great for other games, specifically FPS.
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| Jaso United States. June 21 2011 09:57. Posts 1505 | Profile Blog # |
I'm pretty sure it's allowed in a lot of tournaments..
Swifty (youtube.com/johnsju) uses it and I think he mentioned in a video that he brings it to tournaments often. |
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| Jastermarrel United States. June 21 2011 10:01. Posts 48 | Profile Blog # |
@wesrawr Thank you so much! That is the exact review I was looking for; a comparison between the Razer Nostromo and a standard keyboard in use for SC2! I took all of your points into consideration and have concluded that I will stick with the standard keyboard due to the use of the extra buttons and such. I would like to thank you once again for your review and expertise on the subject! Off to play/improve on SC!
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| Jastermarrel United States. June 21 2011 10:04. Posts 48 | Profile Blog # |
| @Jaso Yes I know Swifty uses it a lot cause of his missing pinky finger. But does he use it in SC tournies or strictly in WoW stuff? And also if I were to use it and well get accustomed to it then my concern would be what would happen if say the GSL or NASL says I can't use it? Then I am screwed.....That is why I am still looking for the answer to the question; is it acceptable in most if not all major tournaments? |
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