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Using the Evoulution Forge software, I got this "perfected" zerg rush. - drone 5/9 - spawning pool 4/9 - drone 5/9 - drone 6/9 - overlord 6/9 - zerling - zerling - zerling - zerling - zerling time for having 10 zerlings (in an ideal case) 3:37 min. Than I played on East 10 games using this build order. 5 games were announced: I told people I'm gonna rush 5 were rushes by "surprise" Results, a bit inconclusive: 3/2 wins/loses in both cases Comments - You only have 4 zerlings leaving your base right away, so a regular 5 or 6 pool build would give you 6 zerlings to start with, but the next ones will be seriously delayed. - The way people can stop this rush is to build their barracks close to their cc and a bunker protectig them both and also the gas. - It's very effective against non bunker building since you'll get zerlings non-stop and eventualy one can kill enough scv even with a less than average skill (like mine). - Having 6 drones brings you alot of money, enough to start a "lurker rush" in a good shape. I'm not saying that this is the ultimate BO but if people would rush terrans more, and I mean good players, then the terrans we'll start playing it more safe, and not do the gay Boxer style rush.
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what the hell is "evolution forge" and congrats on figuring out a 5 pool build
I think I love the strategy forum a little more every day
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Canada9720 Posts
On February 21 2005 07:23 viceroy wrote:thanks for your nice comments. evolution forge: www.clawsoftware.de In case you missed it, his 'nice comments' were intended to be a scathing put-down.
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I did not miss his lovely arrogance, and this is not your regular 5 pool build, is intended to give you 10 zerlings in the shortest time possible
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So you had to run a special program to figure out how to 5 pool, and then you lose 40% of your pubbie games on East...why the hell are you posting this?
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Baltimore, USA22221 Posts
On February 21 2005 07:29 LeJester wrote: So you had to run a special program to figure out how to 5 pool, and then you lose 40% of your pubbie games on East...why the hell are you posting this?
Quiet, you of all people need to learn how to play Zerg correctly. You should appreciate what he is trying to do.
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I think the state of the Strategy Forum is pretty much like America since Bush came into power.
It's like a steady decline.
2000 Bush Inauguration/Tell me about Late game ZvP 2001 Wars begin/Is MM good vs. Toss? 2004 Bush Reelected/evan the bouncy -_-v 2005 Bush reintroduces some Social Security crap/evolution forge
I know tl.net wasn't around in 2000, but it's a nice comparison.
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This is a kind of "optimum build" which is designed to give you fastest 10 lings and it differs from the standard 5pool. Using Evolution Forge software is an interesting application of genetical algorithms, if you are not a nerd, you won't appreciate it I guess :p
You start with 4 lings instead of 6 but get reinforcing lings at a faster rate. If the ramp is blocked (scvs) you are still screwed, if it's not, it's more deadly. So I think the point of importance is whether you manage to break the ramp. And 6 lings break the ramp better than 4. Against an opponent who uses ramp block, this build sucks, opponents who rely on in base micro will have a hard time defending. This rush should be good on maps without ramp or maps like Requiem, not so good on Lost Temple.
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On February 21 2005 07:45 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2005 07:29 LeJester wrote: So you had to run a special program to figure out how to 5 pool, and then you lose 40% of your pubbie games on East...why the hell are you posting this? Quiet, you of all people need to learn how to play Zerg correctly. You should appreciate what he is trying to do.
No I dont, I play random now and cheese every game.
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On February 21 2005 07:26 CTStalker wrote:In case you missed it, his 'nice comments' were intended to be a scathing put-down. You're right..I need to loosen up. I like the fact that he's trying to perfect builds, but perfecting a 5 pool build is uh.. gay, for lack of a better word
edit1 I think LeJester said it right :|
edit2 I kinda hold the strategy forum to a higher standard, and this didn't make the cut..especially when A regular 5 pool build is about 1 minute faster
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and uh, no offense..but I just winged a build off the top of my head that got 10 lings in 2:32 lol...
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evolution forge is retarded. it's cool from a programming standpoint but it's entirely useless =)
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On February 21 2005 07:46 Empyrean wrote: I think the state of the Strategy Forum is pretty much like America since Bush came into power.
It's like a steady decline.
2000 Bush Inauguration/Tell me about Late game ZvP 2001 Wars begin/Is MM good vs. Toss? 2004 Bush Reelected/evan the bouncy -_-v 2005 Bush reintroduces some Social Security crap/evolution forge
I know tl.net wasn't around in 2000, but it's a nice comparison. hahaha.
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Baltimore, USA22221 Posts
On February 21 2005 07:50 LeJester wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2005 07:45 EvilTeletubby wrote:On February 21 2005 07:29 LeJester wrote: So you had to run a special program to figure out how to 5 pool, and then you lose 40% of your pubbie games on East...why the hell are you posting this? Quiet, you of all people need to learn how to play Zerg correctly. You should appreciate what he is trying to do. No I dont, I play random now and cheese every game.
So you too have seen the light?
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I decided to try a 6pool, and it's identically as fast as the 5pool, 10 lings at 2:30..but with more money coming in
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But can you win 60% of your pubbie games on East with it???
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East doesn't exactly have the best players in the world on it. Especially in public games.
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Uh, for people saying the strategy forum has steadily decreased in quality, I say huh? The strategy forum has never been a beacon of profound and meaningful discussion. Anyways, an admin will close this if it is that bad.
At least viceroy didn't post something like this:
"yo, i was playing with a new special 5 pool build, it worked a few times, what do you think?"
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Baltimore, USA22221 Posts
On February 21 2005 08:52 Ghin wrote: East doesn't exactly have the best players in the world on it. Especially in public games.
Pub players are the same regardless of realm~
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