Website Feedback
Closed Threads
IRC Chat
irc.quakenet.org #teamliquid
IRC Web ClientTeamSpeak 3 (76 users) | |
|
| danielimotbh Canada. February 19 2012 13:53. Posts 57 | Profile # |
It's not the concept of death that scares me so much, it's mostly how I die. I used to be really scared of it (death) when I was younger, but now it utterly fascinates me. You shouldn't have to be scared of it, because the perceived main result of it is to put you to rest.
Moreso, I like to think of what happens to us after we die. Does life just fade to a black screen, where we can't see, hear, or feel anything and just lie there for eternity (this is one of the things I thought of as a kid and it really scared me)? Or is life just a prelude to something bigger, where we carry over the lessons we've learned in life and apply it to our afterlife? Or what if you got to do all the things you wanted to do in life, but couldn't, after you died? Like as if someone hooks you up to a virtual reality machine after you die and you can do all the things you ever wanted to do, whatever was in your imagination. It'd be fun for a while, but eventually eternity would catch up with you and you'd run out of things to do.
I was born and raised Catholic, but my skepticism grew as I grew older. I'm not too sure if there's a God out there now to provide me with an afterlife. But I realized growing up that contemplating all this was a waste of time. Just live. Don't worry about the rest of it, that's out of your control. No one on this planet can judge you for the actions you do now, if there is a God out there, only He can. If He isn't out there, then you died knowing that you got to do what you wanted to.
edit: I realized I kind of transitioned into something religious at the end of my post, but what I meant for it was to open it up into a broader context. Don't let anything stop you from doing what you wanted to do, especially death. Life's too damn short to think about these things. Last edit: 2012-02-19 13:56:24 |
|
|
| Djzapz Canada. February 19 2012 13:56. Posts 5691 | Profile Blog # |
Moreso, I like to think of what happens to us after we die. Does life just fade to a black screen, where we can't see, hear, or feel anything and just lie there for eternity (this is one of the things I thought of as a kid and it really scared me)?
Well IMO death is like being never born, you don't have a perspective - so there's no "black screen", and you don't "lie there for eternity". Do you remember a "black screen" from before you were born? =P |
| | "My incompetence with power tools had exponentially increased after 21 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners" |
|
|
| churbro New Zealand. February 19 2012 14:07. Posts 53 | Profile Blog # |
| You die, you no longer exist. No afterlife, no nothing. Your matter is just returned back to the universe. |
|
|
| koonst United States. February 19 2012 14:08. Posts 215 | Profile Blog # |
my views are odd by modern standards. i dont really belive in a white bearded old guy that will reward me. i dont belive in a boogy man to punishme and i dont belive. my current consciousness is the only one ill ever have.
i belive in a multiverse . where billions and billions of other parralel universes / worlds exist where i am everything forom a common thief to a king to everything inbetween some worlds i dont exist some worlds ill always exist. soo in ewsense you could live forever in a ssingle day because of the worlds are endless. you may noty even have good luck today but. some other world ur luck is awesome! and visa versa.
and when the universe collaspes in on itself and the big bang happens again. i may be put back togather again someday. so even death has a death! |
|
|
| sureshot_ United States. February 19 2012 14:16. Posts 256 | Profile # |
| I really like the "death doesn't exist because we can't experience it" opinion. I think that idea accurately explains my perspective as well. This topic is one of very few that after some serious mental speculation I'll hit an immense feeling of deja vu (like imagining something so foreign it can't really be described). |
| |
|
| Frolossus United States. February 19 2012 14:16. Posts 1096 | Profile # |
| personally i could care less if i lived or died at any given moment because as i see it, people will all die sooner or later and it is unavoidable. |
|
|
 xrapture United States. February 19 2012 14:21. Posts 1643 | Profile Blog # |
| Just see it as one day I'll cease to be a conscious entity. I only exist because the universe exists. I'm not special at all and everything I do is just a result of a chain reaction of previous events. My consciousness is just a product of chemical processes within my brain, nothing really separates me from a rock. I'm actually looking forward to death to be honest, don't see the point of being a worthless sack of chemicals in an aimless universe. |
| | Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide. |
|
|
| Ungrateful United States. February 19 2012 14:24. Posts 71 | Profile # |
**WARNING** Everything below is an opinion:
This is one of those ideas where you sit in your bed at night and just think about for hours (along with how everything was created: What created the extremely dense ball in the big bang theory, and what created what created the dense ball, etc) Honestly I’ve dropped believing in a religion a while ago (Currently age 18) and took a kind of scientifically view per say. The human conscience is nothing more than an electrical charge in your brain and when that stops your essentially non-existent no heaven, no virgins, no Ungrateful. I know what death is going to be but it’s just something that I have to forget so that it doesn’t affect my life. I am not scared of what’s going to happen however I don’t want it to happen. Thinking of how you will never see anyone you truly care about ever again and no replays is depressing and makes everything seem so much shorter and belittles what time you have since in at most 100 years it will not matter.
Honestly, I believe religions were created so that people would not think about these topics.
TLDR: This thread made me think about something that I am trying to forget.
Last edit: 2012-02-19 14:26:02 |
|
|
| loleraserheadz112 United States. February 19 2012 14:33. Posts 61 | Profile # |
| Think about this: You have been alive for a number of years, but before that what were you? Dead is the answer. You are more familiar with death than you are with life, therefore there is nothing to fear about dying. Honestly it will be like waking up, you will question how life even seemed real before. There is nothing to worry about. Similar to how you feel like a dream is real, when you die you will wonder how life even seemed real. |
| | Insanity is repeating the same task and expecting different results. |
|
|
| 0neder United States. February 19 2012 14:49. Posts 3732 | Profile # |
As a Mormon, I believe:
Before this mortal life, each of us lived with God, our Father, in Heaven as His spirit children with spirit bodies. There was a council held during which God presented a plan for us to experience ultimate joy through personal growth, and become like Him, as any parent wishes for their child to do. Jesus was chosen as the one who would make this possible through his Atonement. Two-thirds of God's children followed Jesus and were born on this earth with a physical body. The other third followed Satan
Birth is the joining of your spirit body with a 'tangible' mortal body. Only by experiencing tangible mortality can we truly learn and grow from the pleasant and unpleasant sides of life.
Death is the temporary separation of your spirit body (spirit) from your physical body.
Upon death, our spirit goes to a place to wait until the resurrection. Your spirit will have the same desires and passions you developed while unified with your mortal body, but you will not be able to experience them for a time. The waiting place will be restful and peaceful if one has lived a good life for the most part. If someone has been fundamentally bad, it will be less pleasant as there will be time to ponder mistakes and what you have become. This hell is a temporary state.
Because Jesus had power over death and resurrected after three days, each of us will be resurrected and live forever. The condition of our happiness, our ability to maintain family relationships, and our potential for eternal progression (continuing families, scientific learning, etc) will be determined by how we have lived this life in the context of how much of the Gospel we understood. Allowances will be made for continued improvement for all who have not fully understood God's plan of happiness.
Finally, I believe there is no dichotomy between these beliefs and science as we currently understand it, or will understand it in the future.
Last edit: 2012-02-19 15:02:32 |
|
|
| loleraserheadz112 United States. February 19 2012 15:27. Posts 61 | Profile # |
On February 19 2012 14:49 0neder wrote:
As a Mormon, I believe:
Before this mortal life, each of us lived with God, our Father, in Heaven as His spirit children with spirit bodies.
Birth is the joining of your spirit body with a 'tangible' mortal body. Only by experiencing tangible mortality can we truly learn and grow from the pleasant and unpleasant sides of life.
Death is the temporary separation of your spirit body (spirit) from your physical body.
Upon death, our spirit goes to a place to wait until the resurrection. Your spirit will have the same desires and passions you developed while unified with your mortal body, but you will not be able to experience them for a time. The waiting place will be restful and peaceful if one has lived a good life for the most part. If someone has been fundamentally bad, it will be less pleasant as there will be time to ponder mistakes and what you have become. This hell is a temporary state.
Because Jesus had power over death and resurrected after three days, each of us will be resurrected and live forever. The condition of our happiness, our ability to maintain family relationships, and our potential for eternal progression (continuing families, scientific learning, etc) will be determined by how we have lived this life in the context of how much of the Gospel we understood. Allowances will be made for continued improvement for all who have not fully understood God's plan of happiness.
Finally, I believe there is no dichotomy between these beliefs and science as we currently understand it, or will understand it in the future.
My friend wanted to post something on your quote:
Two mormons are standing behind me, one of which swears he litterly just thought the same exact opinion you just came up within less than 2 hours prior to seeing your current post.. This is him now. I believe that when we die the place where we wait and reflect our mistakes is not like something we could possibly comprehend. dont think of it as a long wait. think of it as the easiest way to comprehend and prepare ourselves to create our own 'planes' or our own earth's. now wait a second thats not exactly rtight. the people serounding you throughout your life will be preparing and waiting near you in a orderly fashion. a line. or a an iron rod. the first to be completely prepared for the resurection will be those who pepared before they die. it has nothing AT ALL to do with what you have done in our lives. even the most exponetially evil person still has his own right to his own opinion and doesnt have to chose to do anything he feels to be a bad decision for his or her own personal life. Even hitler gets his own planet. everyone does. except hitler serounded himself with niave people so he is litterly the end of the line, behind all the people those he manipulated. I AM THE ULTIMATE END OF THE LINE. i know this. sadly. throughout my life i was raised around other mormon boys my age who because i was different took advantage of me and put me down because they were scared of the power i had of persuaision. when i stood in my youth to give talks infront of the church adults 30 years older than me told me "thats the best talk ive ever seen.' the reason why i am the ultimate end of the line is because i knew that what i would say to the congregation was essentially .... bs. yes bullshit. i pulled it out of my ass on the spot. and i know that god has an ultimate plan for all of us and my personal one is to previde a different approach. a different opinion. not everything is as it seems. I know who i am sopossed to be in the eyes of the lord and i chose not to follow his path. i am the wonderer headed to get his friends who let go of the iron rod and bring them back towards the path. but i have NO sense of direction. so those who find the path have a 50% chance to be headed in the wrong direction. not towards the tree of life but towards my own tree of death. the people who treated me poorly will be infront of me in the line to ertanal life but not by much. there i garenty they will remember what they did to me and how they made me feel. boys my age at age 5 6 7 and 8 made a secret club to make fun of me and treat me poorly. they called me the cherry picker. (laugh it up) . i was born with full of mischif and wonder of why am i here? how did i get here? what is my purpose. and the answers the lds faith presented me with intrigued and sparked my mischif and pushed me in the wrong direction. prayer and personal reflection sent me back and forth for years and now at the humble age of 20 i realise that jesus will come soon and i will be the ONLY and FIRST one to confront him with the most basic question any sinner has ever had. "why me?" why did steve and mike find it enjoyable to make me suffer. why did they influence others around me to treat me the way they treated me? I will stand up to jesus and say "your first and only mistake was leaving the teachings of prophits to mortals" i will never be able to forgive those who hurt me and they will remember my name in 'The waiting place' they will know who i am. and why they failed. celestial life. HA not a soul disearves it or ever will till jesus works this out with me. and not only me but all those who were treated by the "molly mormon" boys poorly. if the church is true WHY ARE THE PEOPLE SO FUCKING TWO FACED. remember FIREBATT. the only one willing to wait for everyone else to go ahead of him........ i hope that all made sense. the soulds of those who tormented me will bound to my existance. and i will not let them go till they remember how they hurt me and others. |
| | Insanity is repeating the same task and expecting different results. |
|
|
| ZiegFeld February 19 2012 15:32. Posts 350 | Profile # | |
|
|
| Spec Taiwan. February 19 2012 15:37. Posts 743 | Profile Blog # |
Time to chip in.
I believe conquering death is the cornerstone of human civilization.
If we do not age, there would be no need for retirement. No need for exploitation of classes.
Hard work is rewarded over time over trickery and people will take care of themselves because whatever damage will cause eternal effect. Education will be extremely effective and cheap; with low number of new enrollments (low birth low death), not only it will not be a burden to society, the highest education will be the norm. The result would be skyrocketing of technology and human resources resulting in heightened living condition and understanding of the world.
There's no reason to accept natural death. To move on from this life is inevitable, yes, but to move on so quickly in the mere length of a man's lifetime is to say this world is worthless in the way that we could never understand it fully. Your knowledge is just a race against time, not a building library. Why die now, when you can die later.
I am a Bio major and research to cure aging is what I'm going to look forward to do. |
| | Eye for an eye make the world go blind - Ghandi |
|
|
| xeo1 United States. February 19 2012 16:08. Posts 359 | Profile # |
On February 19 2012 12:25 frogrubdown wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 11:46 xeo1 wrote:
your consciousness resides in your brain. when you die, your brain stops functioning, and so does your consciousness. however, I have 2 hopes: one, we can be born again just as we did now. you would be a totally different organism or whatnot. two, medical technology can advance so much that we can prolong our lives for hundreds of years if not more. hence, we should focus on improving technology as fast as we can.
What would constitute that organism being the same being as you (as opposed to all the other ones)?
I don't understand the question oO |
| | There is one thing stronger than all the armies in the world, and that is an idea whose time has come. |
|
|
| loleraserheadz112 United States. February 19 2012 20:43. Posts 61 | Profile # |
On February 19 2012 15:37 Spec wrote:
Time to chip in.
I believe conquering death is the cornerstone of human civilization.
If we do not age, there would be no need for retirement. No need for exploitation of classes.
Hard work is rewarded over time over trickery and people will take care of themselves because whatever damage will cause eternal effect. Education will be extremely effective and cheap; with low number of new enrollments (low birth low death), not only it will not be a burden to society, the highest education will be the norm. The result would be skyrocketing of technology and human resources resulting in heightened living condition and understanding of the world.
There's no reason to accept natural death. To move on from this life is inevitable, yes, but to move on so quickly in the mere length of a man's lifetime is to say this world is worthless in the way that we could never understand it fully. Your knowledge is just a race against time, not a building library. Why die now, when you can die later.
I am a Bio major and research to cure aging is what I'm going to look forward to do.
I do not see why you would want to live forever. Life is perfect the way it is. Dying is a part of life, if we live forever we destroy that perfection. Life is experiences our full range of emotions, life is understanding that we have limited time, that is what makes it exciting.
Being mortal is a part of our existence, and if immortality is achieved, I will not take part. |
| | Insanity is repeating the same task and expecting different results. |
|
|
| L3g3nd_ New Zealand. February 19 2012 20:50. Posts 9595 | Profile # |
| scares the hell out of me, just do my best to not think about it.. |
| | https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother |
|
|
| MorpheusEU February 19 2012 21:14. Posts 21 | Profile # |
On February 19 2012 15:37 Spec wrote:
Time to chip in.
I believe conquering death is the cornerstone of human civilization.
If we do not age, there would be no need for retirement. No need for exploitation of classes.
Hard work is rewarded over time over trickery and people will take care of themselves because whatever damage will cause eternal effect. Education will be extremely effective and cheap; with low number of new enrollments (low birth low death), not only it will not be a burden to society, the highest education will be the norm. The result would be skyrocketing of technology and human resources resulting in heightened living condition and understanding of the world.
There's no reason to accept natural death. To move on from this life is inevitable, yes, but to move on so quickly in the mere length of a man's lifetime is to say this world is worthless in the way that we could never understand it fully. Your knowledge is just a race against time, not a building library. Why die now, when you can die later.
I am a Bio major and research to cure aging is what I'm going to look forward to do.
Going to quote you as well. You are right in a theoretical world where there are enough resources to back up such a HUGE amount of people. We don't have that, we will never ever live forever or for a long time. Life is good how it is right now, with a natural cycle to give you something to hold onto.
On February 19 2012 14:49 0neder wrote:
Because Jesus had power over death and resurrected after three days, each of us will be resurrected and live forever.
I'm really not sure if this is a troll or serious. So many things are wrong with this.Last edit: 2012-02-19 21:17:18 |
|
|
| solidbebe Netherlands. February 19 2012 21:34. Posts 3232 | Profile # |
On February 19 2012 21:14 MorpheusEU wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 15:37 Spec wrote:
Time to chip in.
I believe conquering death is the cornerstone of human civilization.
If we do not age, there would be no need for retirement. No need for exploitation of classes.
Hard work is rewarded over time over trickery and people will take care of themselves because whatever damage will cause eternal effect. Education will be extremely effective and cheap; with low number of new enrollments (low birth low death), not only it will not be a burden to society, the highest education will be the norm. The result would be skyrocketing of technology and human resources resulting in heightened living condition and understanding of the world.
There's no reason to accept natural death. To move on from this life is inevitable, yes, but to move on so quickly in the mere length of a man's lifetime is to say this world is worthless in the way that we could never understand it fully. Your knowledge is just a race against time, not a building library. Why die now, when you can die later.
I am a Bio major and research to cure aging is what I'm going to look forward to do.
Going to quote you as well. You are right in a theoretical world where there are enough resources to back up such a HUGE amount of people. We don't have that, we will never ever live forever or for a long time. Life is good how it is right now, with a natural cycle to give you something to hold onto.
Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 14:49 0neder wrote:
Because Jesus had power over death and resurrected after three days, each of us will be resurrected and live forever.
I'm really not sure if this is a troll or serious. So many things are wrong with this.
I don't think it's possible to 'live forever', everything in this universe is temporary, even if it lasts a long time. |
|
|
| mtwlinux France. February 19 2012 21:40. Posts 29 | Profile # |
| After death, I will be judged by God. |
| | "In the name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. Say: He is God, the One! God, the eternally Besought of all! He begetteth not nor was begotten. And there is none comparable unto Him." Surah Al Ikhlas |
|
|
| thesideshow February 19 2012 21:43. Posts 906 | Profile Blog # |
On February 19 2012 14:16 sureshot_ wrote:
I really like the "death doesn't exist because we can't experience it" opinion. I think that idea accurately explains my perspective as well. This topic is one of very few that after some serious mental speculation I'll hit an immense feeling of deja vu (like imagining something so foreign it can't really be described).
I used to really like that that view too.
But human existence is more than experience.
Imagine I have a date at a cafe and I get stood up. I feel sad not because I experience an empty seat next to me, but because of the lack of experience of my date in front of me.
Similarly, death is a distinct lack of experience of life.
I'm still undecided on my views of death though. |
| | Hurtbreak Wonderland - World's End Girlfriend |
|
|
| Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 Next | |
|
|
|
| |
|
Sidebar Settings...
|
Store
