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| Nazeron Canada. July 16 2011 00:39. Posts 1032 | Profile # |
| Kind of confused, but cool news i guess? |
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| n0ise July 16 2011 00:40. Posts 2800 | Profile # |
On July 16 2011 00:28 stratmatt wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 00:05 adeptz wrote:
Just another desperate move to keep themselves "in the game" when they've totally missed the boat on sc2. I seriously wonder what goes on in their management meetings, or how they actually let the SK-gaming brand become like this. Anyone following counter-strike eons ago would remember SK to be an esports powerhouse then - they had the major sponsors, the branding, the content...now look at them.
I don't know, maybe it all went to shit when bds left the helm.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Welcome to esports. In REAL sports, teams buy off players ALL THE TIME to compete. It goes with the business of running a succesful esports team. People annoyed by this are like cavaliers fans when Lebron left. These players play for themselves more than the team they play for. Nada and MC saw this as a chance to have a more global presence while at the same time representing one of the MOST FAMOUS esports teams of ALL TIME. This is huge news for both the players and the teams and beneficial to both. Heaton nd Potti(god bless their souls) had a huge falling out with SK and Im sure if anything were legally wrong with the situation they would have had a leg to stand on in court. Chances are that they broke their contracts in a way that left them in a tough spot. If you followed cs at all, you would know they never agreed with managmentt toward the end of their tenure due to roster changes and other things, and left to form their own team again. Either way, that doesnt negate the success SK has had over the years in terms of both management AND players.
Dood, what are you talking about.
Orga's buying players out of their contracts is indeed common both in sports and in e-sports (mostly CS).
This has nothing to do with it. Take your basketball player - he's not being transferred. He's just receiving some money to make a shoutout for another team at the end of a game. In some competitions  |
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| philly5man United Kingdom. July 16 2011 00:40. Posts 350 | Profile # |
| More Korean/Foreigner integration, can only be a good thing! |
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| stratmatt United States. July 16 2011 00:43. Posts 755 | Profile # |
On July 16 2011 00:35 ineq wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 00:28 stratmatt wrote:
On July 16 2011 00:05 adeptz wrote:
Just another desperate move to keep themselves "in the game" when they've totally missed the boat on sc2. I seriously wonder what goes on in their management meetings, or how they actually let the SK-gaming brand become like this. Anyone following counter-strike eons ago would remember SK to be an esports powerhouse then - they had the major sponsors, the branding, the content...now look at them.
I don't know, maybe it all went to shit when bds left the helm.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Welcome to esports. In REAL sports, teams buy off players ALL THE TIME to compete. It goes with the business of running a succesful esports team. People annoyed by this are like cavaliers fans when Lebron left. These players play for themselves more than the team they play for. Nada and MC saw this as a chance to have a more global presence while at the same time representing one of the MOST FAMOUS esports teams of ALL TIME. This is huge news for both the players and the teams and beneficial to both. Heaton nd Potti(god bless their souls) had a huge falling out with SK and Im sure if anything were legally wrong with the situation they would have had a leg to stand on in court. Chances are that they broke their contracts in a way that left them in a tough spot. If you followed cs at all, you would know they never agreed with managmentt toward the end of their tenure due to roster changes and other things, and left to form their own team again. Either way, that doesnt negate the success SK has had over the years in terms of both management AND players.
Could you please explain to me why this is beneficial for SK? I'm not trying to be hostile or anything. But i'm just seeing this having a negative impact on SK as a brand. They may attract new and uneducated fans, but as has been said before, they'll learn that MC and NaDa actually are not a product of SK, but of oGs, and thus noone will really care that they're representing SK, when oGs is the real reason behind their success. And sponsors will know this aswell, no doubt. The organization will in my opinion look like a bunch of slackers looking for a quick buck, even though that's not the case.
How could having 2 of the best players in the world wearing your team's jersey and repping your team's name at every foreigner tournament have a negative impact on your team? Can you explain that? To someone like me, seeing SK in front of a players name automatically signals they are somebody to watch and that they are probably amazing players. Mc and Nada are HARDLY a 'product' of OGS, they are their own players and stand just fine on their own terms. Not taking anything away from what OGS has done, but is it OGS who made MC/NADA, or MC/NADA that made OGS? |
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| heaven- United States. July 16 2011 00:43. Posts 354 | Profile # |
Why are people freaking out...
SK has always had koreans represent them in RTS games.
SK.Lyn
SK.Violet
Etc...etc.. |
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| SoKHo Korea (South). July 16 2011 00:44. Posts 1053 | Profile # |
| holy crap nada and mc! that's is an amazing pickup |
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| mprs Canada. July 16 2011 00:44. Posts 2879 | Profile # |
On July 16 2011 00:35 ineq wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 00:28 stratmatt wrote:
On July 16 2011 00:05 adeptz wrote:
Just another desperate move to keep themselves "in the game" when they've totally missed the boat on sc2. I seriously wonder what goes on in their management meetings, or how they actually let the SK-gaming brand become like this. Anyone following counter-strike eons ago would remember SK to be an esports powerhouse then - they had the major sponsors, the branding, the content...now look at them.
I don't know, maybe it all went to shit when bds left the helm.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Welcome to esports. In REAL sports, teams buy off players ALL THE TIME to compete. It goes with the business of running a succesful esports team. People annoyed by this are like cavaliers fans when Lebron left. These players play for themselves more than the team they play for. Nada and MC saw this as a chance to have a more global presence while at the same time representing one of the MOST FAMOUS esports teams of ALL TIME. This is huge news for both the players and the teams and beneficial to both. Heaton nd Potti(god bless their souls) had a huge falling out with SK and Im sure if anything were legally wrong with the situation they would have had a leg to stand on in court. Chances are that they broke their contracts in a way that left them in a tough spot. If you followed cs at all, you would know they never agreed with managmentt toward the end of their tenure due to roster changes and other things, and left to form their own team again. Either way, that doesnt negate the success SK has had over the years in terms of both management AND players.
Could you please explain to me why this is beneficial for SK? I'm not trying to be hostile or anything. But i'm just seeing this having a negative impact on SK as a brand. They may attract new and uneducated fans, but as has been said before, they'll learn that MC and NaDa actually are not a product of SK, but of oGs, and thus noone will really care that they're representing SK, when oGs is the real reason behind their success. And sponsors will know this aswell, no doubt. The organization will in my opinion look like a bunch of slackers looking for a quick buck, even though that's not the case.
Could you please explain to me why having players on a team is beneficial for any team?
Teams make money off exposure and advertising. If you read the comments, half the community here has no idea who SK is as an organization. Now they will have top contenders in every foreigner tournament wearing their (and their sponsors) logo. This is basically what every team dreams of. They also developed links to Korea, which no other team has done (aside from TL, because they had ties to Spunky). Do you guys know how many players want the chance to come from Korea to play in foreigner tournaments? Now they can have them on contract. If they sign a few more Koreans by being able to just buy their plane tickets, you will see SK have 3 in the top 5 of every tournament without having to do a single thing.
I wouldn't be surprised if they had this planned from this start. Why bother growing a team when this is a risk-free venture for all the rewards of having your own team?!?!? There is a reason the Yankees are the Yankees. |
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| Loodah July 16 2011 00:46. Posts 332 | Profile Blog # |
| The SC2 community doesn't care for SK. I guarantee if this were EG, people would be overwhelmingly positive. It's kind of pathetic to be honest |
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| adeptz Australia. July 16 2011 00:47. Posts 216 | Profile # |
On July 16 2011 00:40 n0ise wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 00:28 stratmatt wrote:
On July 16 2011 00:05 adeptz wrote:
Just another desperate move to keep themselves "in the game" when they've totally missed the boat on sc2. I seriously wonder what goes on in their management meetings, or how they actually let the SK-gaming brand become like this. Anyone following counter-strike eons ago would remember SK to be an esports powerhouse then - they had the major sponsors, the branding, the content...now look at them.
I don't know, maybe it all went to shit when bds left the helm.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Welcome to esports. In REAL sports, teams buy off players ALL THE TIME to compete. It goes with the business of running a succesful esports team. People annoyed by this are like cavaliers fans when Lebron left. These players play for themselves more than the team they play for. Nada and MC saw this as a chance to have a more global presence while at the same time representing one of the MOST FAMOUS esports teams of ALL TIME. This is huge news for both the players and the teams and beneficial to both. Heaton nd Potti(god bless their souls) had a huge falling out with SK and Im sure if anything were legally wrong with the situation they would have had a leg to stand on in court. Chances are that they broke their contracts in a way that left them in a tough spot. If you followed cs at all, you would know they never agreed with managmentt toward the end of their tenure due to roster changes and other things, and left to form their own team again. Either way, that doesnt negate the success SK has had over the years in terms of both management AND players.
Dood, what are you talking about. Orga's buying players out of their contracts is indeed common both in sports and in e-sports (mostly CS). This has nothing to do with it. Take your basketball player - he's not being transferred. He's just receiving some money to make a shoutout for another team at the end of a game. In some competitions
Exactly - your basketball example is moot because in this case, there is no transfer.
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| Olinim July 16 2011 00:47. Posts 3982 | Profile # |
On July 16 2011 00:44 mprs wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 00:35 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 00:28 stratmatt wrote:
On July 16 2011 00:05 adeptz wrote:
Just another desperate move to keep themselves "in the game" when they've totally missed the boat on sc2. I seriously wonder what goes on in their management meetings, or how they actually let the SK-gaming brand become like this. Anyone following counter-strike eons ago would remember SK to be an esports powerhouse then - they had the major sponsors, the branding, the content...now look at them.
I don't know, maybe it all went to shit when bds left the helm.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Welcome to esports. In REAL sports, teams buy off players ALL THE TIME to compete. It goes with the business of running a succesful esports team. People annoyed by this are like cavaliers fans when Lebron left. These players play for themselves more than the team they play for. Nada and MC saw this as a chance to have a more global presence while at the same time representing one of the MOST FAMOUS esports teams of ALL TIME. This is huge news for both the players and the teams and beneficial to both. Heaton nd Potti(god bless their souls) had a huge falling out with SK and Im sure if anything were legally wrong with the situation they would have had a leg to stand on in court. Chances are that they broke their contracts in a way that left them in a tough spot. If you followed cs at all, you would know they never agreed with managmentt toward the end of their tenure due to roster changes and other things, and left to form their own team again. Either way, that doesnt negate the success SK has had over the years in terms of both management AND players.
Could you please explain to me why this is beneficial for SK? I'm not trying to be hostile or anything. But i'm just seeing this having a negative impact on SK as a brand. They may attract new and uneducated fans, but as has been said before, they'll learn that MC and NaDa actually are not a product of SK, but of oGs, and thus noone will really care that they're representing SK, when oGs is the real reason behind their success. And sponsors will know this aswell, no doubt. The organization will in my opinion look like a bunch of slackers looking for a quick buck, even though that's not the case.
Could you please explain to me why having players on a team is beneficial for any team? Teams make money off exposure and advertising. If you read the comments, half the community here has no idea who SK is as an organization. Now they will have top contenders in every foreigner tournament wearing their (and their sponsors) logo. This is basically what every team dreams of. They also developed links to Korea, which no other team has done (aside from TL, because they had ties to Spunky). Do you guys know how many players want the chance to come from Korea to play in foreigner tournaments? Now they can have them on contract. If they sign a few more Koreans by being able to just buy their plane tickets, you will see SK have 3 in the top 5 of every tournament without having to do a single thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they had this planned from this start. Why bother growing a team when this is a risk-free venture for all the rewards of having your own team?!?!? There is a reason the Yankees are the Yankees.
This, every single foreign tourney MC has done hes gotten at least ro8. He has 3 major foreign tourney wins and 3 top 3 finishes...how could that not be beneficial when he's carrying their logo? |
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| enzym Germany. July 16 2011 00:48. Posts 1033 | Profile # |
On July 16 2011 00:28 stratmatt wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 00:05 adeptz wrote:
Just another desperate move to keep themselves "in the game" when they've totally missed the boat on sc2. I seriously wonder what goes on in their management meetings, or how they actually let the SK-gaming brand become like this. Anyone following counter-strike eons ago would remember SK to be an esports powerhouse then - they had the major sponsors, the branding, the content...now look at them.
I don't know, maybe it all went to shit when bds left the helm.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Welcome to esports. In REAL sports, teams buy off players ALL THE TIME to compete. It goes with the business of running a succesful esports team. People annoyed by this are like cavaliers fans when Lebron left. These players play for themselves more than the team they play for. Nada and MC saw this as a chance to have a more global presence while at the same time representing one of the MOST FAMOUS esports teams of ALL TIME. This is huge news for both the players and the teams and beneficial to both. Heaton nd Potti(god bless their souls) had a huge falling out with SK and Im sure if anything were legally wrong with the situation they would have had a leg to stand on in court. Chances are that they broke their contracts in a way that left them in a tough spot. If you followed cs at all, you would know they never agreed with managmentt toward the end of their tenure due to roster changes and other things, and left to form their own team again. Either way, that doesnt negate the success SK has had over the years in terms of both management AND players.
But they didn't buy these players from oGs, they loaned them, which is a lot worse, because it effectively leaves them with two teams, making it look like the players have no loyalty to oGs, no commitment to either oGs or SK, and SK having no commitment to their teams and SC2, especially long term (remember how they ditched previous ones).
It's a half-assed publicity stunt on all fronts, and the responses you see here as well as elsewhere reflect that. That and SK's previously battered reputation.
This move is disastrous if you can look past the "we will see more NaDa and MC", and even that is arguable as both NaDa and MC had (planned) appearances in events based outside of Korea.Last edit: 2011-07-16 00:56:38 |
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| stratmatt United States. July 16 2011 00:48. Posts 755 | Profile # |
On July 16 2011 00:47 adeptz wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 00:40 n0ise wrote:
On July 16 2011 00:28 stratmatt wrote:
On July 16 2011 00:05 adeptz wrote:
Just another desperate move to keep themselves "in the game" when they've totally missed the boat on sc2. I seriously wonder what goes on in their management meetings, or how they actually let the SK-gaming brand become like this. Anyone following counter-strike eons ago would remember SK to be an esports powerhouse then - they had the major sponsors, the branding, the content...now look at them.
I don't know, maybe it all went to shit when bds left the helm.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Welcome to esports. In REAL sports, teams buy off players ALL THE TIME to compete. It goes with the business of running a succesful esports team. People annoyed by this are like cavaliers fans when Lebron left. These players play for themselves more than the team they play for. Nada and MC saw this as a chance to have a more global presence while at the same time representing one of the MOST FAMOUS esports teams of ALL TIME. This is huge news for both the players and the teams and beneficial to both. Heaton nd Potti(god bless their souls) had a huge falling out with SK and Im sure if anything were legally wrong with the situation they would have had a leg to stand on in court. Chances are that they broke their contracts in a way that left them in a tough spot. If you followed cs at all, you would know they never agreed with managmentt toward the end of their tenure due to roster changes and other things, and left to form their own team again. Either way, that doesnt negate the success SK has had over the years in terms of both management AND players.
Dood, what are you talking about. Orga's buying players out of their contracts is indeed common both in sports and in e-sports (mostly CS). This has nothing to do with it. Take your basketball player - he's not being transferred. He's just receiving some money to make a shoutout for another team at the end of a game. In some competitions
Exactly - your basketball example is moot because in this case, there is no transfer.
Exactly, which means its even less of a big deal. So people need to quit whining. |
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| ineq Sweden. July 16 2011 00:49. Posts 360 | Profile # |
On July 16 2011 00:44 mprs wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 00:35 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 00:28 stratmatt wrote:
On July 16 2011 00:05 adeptz wrote:
Just another desperate move to keep themselves "in the game" when they've totally missed the boat on sc2. I seriously wonder what goes on in their management meetings, or how they actually let the SK-gaming brand become like this. Anyone following counter-strike eons ago would remember SK to be an esports powerhouse then - they had the major sponsors, the branding, the content...now look at them.
I don't know, maybe it all went to shit when bds left the helm.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Welcome to esports. In REAL sports, teams buy off players ALL THE TIME to compete. It goes with the business of running a succesful esports team. People annoyed by this are like cavaliers fans when Lebron left. These players play for themselves more than the team they play for. Nada and MC saw this as a chance to have a more global presence while at the same time representing one of the MOST FAMOUS esports teams of ALL TIME. This is huge news for both the players and the teams and beneficial to both. Heaton nd Potti(god bless their souls) had a huge falling out with SK and Im sure if anything were legally wrong with the situation they would have had a leg to stand on in court. Chances are that they broke their contracts in a way that left them in a tough spot. If you followed cs at all, you would know they never agreed with managmentt toward the end of their tenure due to roster changes and other things, and left to form their own team again. Either way, that doesnt negate the success SK has had over the years in terms of both management AND players.
Could you please explain to me why this is beneficial for SK? I'm not trying to be hostile or anything. But i'm just seeing this having a negative impact on SK as a brand. They may attract new and uneducated fans, but as has been said before, they'll learn that MC and NaDa actually are not a product of SK, but of oGs, and thus noone will really care that they're representing SK, when oGs is the real reason behind their success. And sponsors will know this aswell, no doubt. The organization will in my opinion look like a bunch of slackers looking for a quick buck, even though that's not the case.
Could you please explain to me why having players on a team is beneficial for any team? Teams make money off exposure and advertising. If you read the comments, half the community here has no idea who SK is as an organization. Now they will have top contenders in every foreigner tournament wearing their (and their sponsors) logo. This is basically what every team dreams of. They also developed links to Korea, which no other team has done (aside from TL, because they had ties to Spunky). Do you guys know how many players want the chance to come from Korea to play in foreigner tournaments? Now they can have them on contract. If they sign a few more Koreans by being able to just buy their plane tickets, you will see SK have 3 in the top 5 of every tournament without having to do a single thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they had this planned from this start. Why bother growing a team when this is a risk-free venture for all the rewards of having your own team?!?!? There is a reason the Yankees are the Yankees.
Okay, replace "made" with "contributed", and you get my point. SK had absolutely nothing to with the success of these players, and they have no right to display them as their players, unless they buy them from oGs.
The only thing SK will do, according to the information at hand, is send them to events outside of Korea, do you think that that's enough to call them SK players? I know i certainly don't.
They're taking another teams work and claiming it their own, more or less. And most intelligent people will see through this, that's why i think it's not gonna give them any good publicity.
I do on the other hand like that we will get to see NaDa and MC in a huge amount of foreign tournaments though. So from that perspective it's great! |
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 Tomken Norway. July 16 2011 00:49. Posts 1129 | Profile # |
| What's the point? Rofl this is just so ridiculous by SK. |
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| EnSky Philippines. July 16 2011 00:49. Posts 883 | Profile # |
This is great news! We be seeing NaDa in foreign tournaments more often.  |
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| jinixxx123 July 16 2011 00:50. Posts 537 | Profile # |
im sorry but SK.MC doesnt sound right lol, imagin MC makes it to the final round of a tournament and we are calling him SK.MC :S when we all know he is OGS.MC
meh anyway , whatever floats SK's boat, if that means Nada is coming to foreign tournaments, then hell yes!!Last edit: 2011-07-16 00:52:03 |
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| Dymeter Macedonia. July 16 2011 00:51. Posts 74 | Profile # |
SK gains 2 players wearing their name in foreign tournaments and winning for them, SK.MC and SK.NaDa
Nada and MC get a way to constantly play on big foreign tournaments from this while still being able to play in Korea
This will be sweet. This trend of foreign teams to get Korean players in their rosters is working greatly both for the viewers and the players. |
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| Iggnite Canada. July 16 2011 00:53. Posts 286 | Profile # |
| Big plays emerging indeed. |
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| stratmatt United States. July 16 2011 00:53. Posts 755 | Profile # |
| All I know is, if MC and Nada agreed to this, they must have done it for what they believe to be the right reasons and what personally makes them happy. A team is a team, but the players are what matters. |
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| xXFireandIceXx Canada. July 16 2011 00:54. Posts 3984 | Profile Blog # |
On July 16 2011 00:51 Dymeter wrote:
SK gains 2 players wearing their name in foreign tournaments and winning for them, SK.MC and SK.NaDa
Nada and MC get a way to constantly play on big foreign tournaments from this while still being able to play in Korea
This will be sweet. This trend of foreign teams to get Korean players in their rosters is working greatly both for the viewers and the players.
Yah and this is also due to the fact that increasing number of foreign tournaments invite Koreans to play. |
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