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| D.Devil Germany. July 16 2011 01:52. Posts 133 | Profile # | |
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| Baeras United States. July 16 2011 01:52. Posts 140 | Profile Blog # |
SK vs NIP showmatch wait im living in the past  |
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| stratmatt United States. July 16 2011 01:52. Posts 756 | Profile # |
| MC and Nada do the work, buddy. They decide who they represent, not you. |
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| Klaent Sweden. July 16 2011 01:53. Posts 361 | Profile # |
Good deal for MC and NaDa, but not sure its a good deal for SK. People will still see them as oGs members, and will credit their success to the training in the oGs/Liquid house. But i guess it will make some good exposure for SK anyway, MC and NaDa can show good results with SK logo on jacket.
Either way its good for esports in general, since we get to see NaDa and MC much more :> |
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| ineq Sweden. July 16 2011 01:57. Posts 360 | Profile # |
On July 16 2011 01:45 Longshank wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 01:28 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 01:16 Ownos wrote:
On July 16 2011 00:49 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 00:44 mprs wrote:
On July 16 2011 00:35 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 00:28 stratmatt wrote:
On July 16 2011 00:05 adeptz wrote:
Just another desperate move to keep themselves "in the game" when they've totally missed the boat on sc2. I seriously wonder what goes on in their management meetings, or how they actually let the SK-gaming brand become like this. Anyone following counter-strike eons ago would remember SK to be an esports powerhouse then - they had the major sponsors, the branding, the content...now look at them.
I don't know, maybe it all went to shit when bds left the helm.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Welcome to esports. In REAL sports, teams buy off players ALL THE TIME to compete. It goes with the business of running a succesful esports team. People annoyed by this are like cavaliers fans when Lebron left. These players play for themselves more than the team they play for. Nada and MC saw this as a chance to have a more global presence while at the same time representing one of the MOST FAMOUS esports teams of ALL TIME. This is huge news for both the players and the teams and beneficial to both. Heaton nd Potti(god bless their souls) had a huge falling out with SK and Im sure if anything were legally wrong with the situation they would have had a leg to stand on in court. Chances are that they broke their contracts in a way that left them in a tough spot. If you followed cs at all, you would know they never agreed with managmentt toward the end of their tenure due to roster changes and other things, and left to form their own team again. Either way, that doesnt negate the success SK has had over the years in terms of both management AND players.
Could you please explain to me why this is beneficial for SK? I'm not trying to be hostile or anything. But i'm just seeing this having a negative impact on SK as a brand. They may attract new and uneducated fans, but as has been said before, they'll learn that MC and NaDa actually are not a product of SK, but of oGs, and thus noone will really care that they're representing SK, when oGs is the real reason behind their success. And sponsors will know this aswell, no doubt. The organization will in my opinion look like a bunch of slackers looking for a quick buck, even though that's not the case.
Could you please explain to me why having players on a team is beneficial for any team? Teams make money off exposure and advertising. If you read the comments, half the community here has no idea who SK is as an organization. Now they will have top contenders in every foreigner tournament wearing their (and their sponsors) logo. This is basically what every team dreams of. They also developed links to Korea, which no other team has done (aside from TL, because they had ties to Spunky). Do you guys know how many players want the chance to come from Korea to play in foreigner tournaments? Now they can have them on contract. If they sign a few more Koreans by being able to just buy their plane tickets, you will see SK have 3 in the top 5 of every tournament without having to do a single thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they had this planned from this start. Why bother growing a team when this is a risk-free venture for all the rewards of having your own team?!?!? There is a reason the Yankees are the Yankees.
Okay, replace "made" with "contributed", and you get my point. SK had absolutely nothing to with the success of these players, and they have no right to display them as their players, unless they buy them from oGs. The only thing SK will do, according to the information at hand, is send them to events outside of Korea, do you think that that's enough to call them SK players? I know i certainly don't. They're taking another teams work and claiming it their own, more or less. And most intelligent people will see through this, that's why i think it's not gonna give them any good publicity. I do on the other hand like that we will get to see NaDa and MC in a huge amount of foreign tournaments though. So from that perspective it's great!
I can see that. But you are overestimating the team involvement and development of foreign teams. The foreign model is mostly disconnected, players never see their teammates or even interact unless somehow they meet at a live event. Only if it's a team-based game there will be more interaction, but for 1v1 games like SC2, it's very disconnected and being on a "team" mostly means sponsorship.
Surely foreign teams still practice together online and are managed by their teams, right? SK is sending MC and NaDa to events. A financial sponsor. Oh right, they're providing a translator, NaDa and MC are obviously SK players! <------- Internet sarcasm.
Some do practice together, many don't. This is a great move by SK and oGs, it's a win/win/win/win situation. The players will be attending more events while still practicing like before, oGs gets happy players and doesn't have to pay for it, the fans get to see more of MC and Nada and SK gets excellent exposure. The only uncertain bit is if it's worth it for SK but since none of us know what kind of money they have to put out one must assume they believe it's beneficial for them and their sponsors.
If i'm oGs, MC or NaDa, i love the deal, no doubt. If i'm SK i definately don't, in my eyes it just makes them look like less than what they really are, which i suspect it does for most people. On the other hand they may very well have more plans that we don't know about, they might be thinking along the lines that it will attract alot of good players because of these two beasts beeing on the "team" to eventually start a real team, but i think any "real" progamer will realize that they won't get much of an opportunity to practice with them, but who knows what's going on behind the curtains.
With the information provided at this point i can't do anything but critisize SK, and love the fact that we get to see more of MC and NaDa. |
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| Zeddicus United States. July 16 2011 01:58. Posts 233 | Profile Blog # |
| This feels akward for me too. Feels like SK is paying to have their badge put on oGmMC and oGsNada. Why not sponsor oGs and have your badge on all of their players all of the time? Last edit: 2011-07-16 01:58:56 |
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| ineq Sweden. July 16 2011 02:00. Posts 360 | Profile # |
On July 16 2011 01:58 Zeddicus wrote:
This feels akward for me too. Feels like SK is paying to have their badge put on oGmMC and oGsNada. Why not sponsor oGs and have your badge on all of their players all of the time?
Cause they want this sponsorship to look like MC and NaDa are actually SK players. |
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| ineq Sweden. July 16 2011 02:04. Posts 360 | Profile # |
On July 16 2011 01:52 stratmatt wrote:
MC and Nada do the work, buddy. They decide who they represent, not you.
Yeah so giving MC a perfect living condition to be the very best he can, that counts for nothing, huh?
Having a manager always watching his players and helping them with everything to make sure they improve, that's just dumb, right? Sigh. |
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| Longshank July 16 2011 02:06. Posts 1311 | Profile # |
On July 16 2011 02:00 ineq wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 01:58 Zeddicus wrote:
This feels akward for me too. Feels like SK is paying to have their badge put on oGmMC and oGsNada. Why not sponsor oGs and have your badge on all of their players all of the time?
Cause they want this sponsorship to look like MC and NaDa are actually SK players.
If SK are paying the salaries at least partially then they are actually SK players. For all we know they may as well do so since they'll be wearing the SK tag even in Korea. |
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| murtas Portugal. July 16 2011 02:06. Posts 249 | Profile # |
Really dissapointed in SK for doing this instead of providing the scene with another sponsored team.
MC already go to all the foreign tournaments he wants so being sponsored by SK won't change that for the viewers.
And NaDa probably is the one who benefits the most, but i always thought he doesn't travel alot because of university, which by the way won't change if he has more sponsors to go overboard or not.
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| Tomfour United States. July 16 2011 02:09. Posts 173 | Profile # |
SK Gaming fighting!! I can remember watching them back in WoW and stuff during the BC days, even though that wasn't too too long ago it still seems like ages to me.
Can't wait to see these guys outside of Korea, although MC has already been dominating outside Korea I can't wait to see how Nada is going to do. |
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| Novalisk Israel. July 16 2011 02:09. Posts 1769 | Profile Blog # |
| As long as their GSL runs aren't hurt and they aren't forced to wear SK uniforms, this is fine by me. |
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| ROOTT1 Canada. July 16 2011 02:09. Posts 5630 | Profile Blog # |
On July 16 2011 02:06 murtas wrote:
Really dissapointed in SK for doing this instead of providing the scene with another sponsored team.
MC already go to all the foreign tournaments he wants so being sponsored by SK won't change that for the viewers.
And NaDa probably is the one who benefits the most, but i always thought he doesn't travel alot because of university, which by the way won't change if he has more sponsors to go overboard or not.
im pretty sure the only reason nada is studying atm is to delay his military service |
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| ineq Sweden. July 16 2011 02:11. Posts 360 | Profile # |
On July 16 2011 02:06 Longshank wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:00 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 01:58 Zeddicus wrote:
This feels akward for me too. Feels like SK is paying to have their badge put on oGmMC and oGsNada. Why not sponsor oGs and have your badge on all of their players all of the time?
Cause they want this sponsorship to look like MC and NaDa are actually SK players.
If SK are paying the salaries at least partially then they are actually SK players. For all we know they may as well do so since they'll be wearing the SK tag even in Korea.
That's where people are making a mistake. Paying a player does not mean he is on you're team. It means you're a sponsor, just like Stride, Dr Pepper and Sony Ericsson provide personal sponsorships.
I guess you're right in partially, but to what extent though? do you consider HuK a TLAF player or a Liquid player?
This is all confusing as hell because a professional team is acting like a sponsor would. |
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| StarBrift Sweden. July 16 2011 02:13. Posts 1668 | Profile # |
| This is great. Now MC and Nada doesn't have to dip into their own savings to get to foreign tournaments. Gonne be nice to keep seeing them as regulars. |
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| kraut July 16 2011 02:16. Posts 354 | Profile # |
On July 16 2011 02:11 ineq wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:06 Longshank wrote:
On July 16 2011 02:00 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 01:58 Zeddicus wrote:
This feels akward for me too. Feels like SK is paying to have their badge put on oGmMC and oGsNada. Why not sponsor oGs and have your badge on all of their players all of the time?
Cause they want this sponsorship to look like MC and NaDa are actually SK players.
If SK are paying the salaries at least partially then they are actually SK players. For all we know they may as well do so since they'll be wearing the SK tag even in Korea.
That's where people are making a mistake. Paying a player does not mean he is on you're team. It means you're a sponsor, just like Stride, Dr Pepper and Sony Ericsson provide personal sponsorships. I guess you're right in partially, but to what extent though? do you consider HuK a TLAF player or a Liquid player? This is all confusing as hell because a professional team is acting like a sponsor would.
in your logic HuK is oGs Last edit: 2011-07-16 02:18:54 |
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| ineq Sweden. July 16 2011 02:17. Posts 360 | Profile # |
On July 16 2011 02:16 kraut wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:11 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 02:06 Longshank wrote:
On July 16 2011 02:00 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 01:58 Zeddicus wrote:
This feels akward for me too. Feels like SK is paying to have their badge put on oGmMC and oGsNada. Why not sponsor oGs and have your badge on all of their players all of the time?
Cause they want this sponsorship to look like MC and NaDa are actually SK players.
If SK are paying the salaries at least partially then they are actually SK players. For all we know they may as well do so since they'll be wearing the SK tag even in Korea.
That's where people are making a mistake. Paying a player does not mean he is on you're team. It means you're a sponsor, just like Stride, Dr Pepper and Sony Ericsson provide personal sponsorships. I guess you're right in partially, but to what extent though? do you consider HuK a TLAF player or a Liquid player? This is all confusing as hell because a professional team is acting like a sponsor would.
in your logic he is oGs
Yeah he is, is there any logic where he's not?  |
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| Olinim July 16 2011 02:19. Posts 3982 | Profile # |
On July 16 2011 02:17 ineq wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 02:16 kraut wrote:
On July 16 2011 02:11 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 02:06 Longshank wrote:
On July 16 2011 02:00 ineq wrote:
On July 16 2011 01:58 Zeddicus wrote:
This feels akward for me too. Feels like SK is paying to have their badge put on oGmMC and oGsNada. Why not sponsor oGs and have your badge on all of their players all of the time?
Cause they want this sponsorship to look like MC and NaDa are actually SK players.
If SK are paying the salaries at least partially then they are actually SK players. For all we know they may as well do so since they'll be wearing the SK tag even in Korea.
That's where people are making a mistake. Paying a player does not mean he is on you're team. It means you're a sponsor, just like Stride, Dr Pepper and Sony Ericsson provide personal sponsorships. I guess you're right in partially, but to what extent though? do you consider HuK a TLAF player or a Liquid player? This is all confusing as hell because a professional team is acting like a sponsor would.
in your logic he is oGs
Yeah he is, is there any logic where he's not?
Then what's wrong with MC being SK?
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