Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.
Leave the racial bias at the door while you are at it as well pretty please.
cristo1122 Australia. July 18 2011 10:50. Posts 501
an intereesting story out of the sea region from the weekend long story short there was a restricted tournament held (based on citizenship) and major after being told by admins that he was inelligble to play do so anyway using someone elses account. Screenshots included in link. Very amusing turn of events
Edit: link works it is just slow (SEA = poor internet speed)
Edit 2: from page 2 from evoi
I was traveling from San Francisco back home when this happened. When I came home I talked to everyone involved. I've already talked to Kelly Milkies, another admin, and Juan about it.
All and all, relatively small potatoes. I hope their events go with out a hitch in the future, and I'm sorry that Juan caused a hiccup in what was supposed to be a fun event for the folks of the oft neglected SEA server.
On July 18 2011 12:25 Dox wrote: Okay so. Hi. I'm Dox/VVoLF/Derek/whatever you want to call me. I'm the one who hosted the tournament. Allow me to give a little background before I respond to the posts below. I'm basically going to repeat what I said on Kelly's stream during the event.
This event was specifically designed to encourage the SEA community to step up their game and embrace the global success of StarCraft 2 competitive eSports. Consider it an investment on my part. I inject money into the community, and the community produces higher quality gamers. Eventually these players will build the skills and confidence they need to represent SEA on the world stage (see: mOOnGLaDe).
The original post was written and posted for SC2SEA.com. I decided to copy/paste it over here to provide a little more exposure for the players who frequent TL more often than our own site. Thus, the "valid SEA account" part was somewhat vague in a global context. The "SEA Citizen" requirement was included on the tournament calendar, but I didn't have the foresight to edit it into the OP.
5 days before the event, sixjax.MajOr got in touch with deL, asking him if he was able to compete. deL contacted me immediately with the question, and I responded concisely. "No, SEA citizens only." 4 days later, MajOr decided to sign up anyway, obviously in an attempt to exploit this loophole.
The screenshotted conversation you would have seen throughout this thread took place 15 minutes before the event went live. As you can see, I tried to be as civil and accommodating as possible towards MajOr, however he wasn't satisfied. He eventually gave up on harassing me, logged out, and I assumed he'd finally took no for an answer. But as his stream revealed, he approached one of the diamond-league players who was participating in the event (SayfT / Gerlan), and asked if he could use his account.
He proceeded to eliminate several players from the event, going unnoticed until he went up against one of the top seeds (aLt.iaguz, who fell 1 game short of winning the entire event) and drew a lot of attention to himself when he won. After analysing the replays and comparing them to some of MajOr's replays, it was quite clear that all of the hotkeys/APM/style were identical. We checked his stream and that's when it became quite clear that he decided to play on someone else's account after being refused entry several times. I eliminated him from the event and rewarded iaguz with the walkover, however I could do nothing but apologise to the players he had eliminated from the event in the earlier rounds. These players felt pretty cheated.
There are so many posts on so many forums which claim that his behaviour was justified because the rules weren't clear. But please understand that he had been denied access to the event several days before he even signed up. The brackets were already full before he signed up. His behaviour was inexcusable.
On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote: There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down.
The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything.
Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack.
pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account.
Do you think everyone is stupid?
In May you asked me if you could play in SEA tourneys and I told you that the only ones you'd be allowed to enter are the ESL Go4SC2 tournaments. You told me you could just lie, and then on the Wednesday before the tournament you specifically asked me if you were able to join the tourney in question here. I consulted with Dox just to confirm what I already thought and indeed you were not able play. Then you asked me for a SEA account to use so knowing the rules you went out of your way to circumvent them to play in the tournament and stop trying to pretend otherwise.
On July 19 2011 03:28 loladin wrote: It doesn't really shock me that SixJaxMajor is caught doing something like this, but I almost think the response from SixJax/evoli is worse:
On July 18 2011 11:04 evoli wrote:All and all, relatively small potatoes. I hope their events go with out a hitch in the future, and I'm sorry that Juan caused a hiccup in what was supposed to be a fun event for the folks of the oft neglected SEA server.
Small potatoes? He's been told no, several times, even when he's confronted he lies? Even if you have talked to the admins of the tournament and cleared it with them, you still should have come out strong, distancing yourselves from his actions and posted a better apology than that "Juan caused a hiccup".
I'm not impressed.
I responded a few pages later clarify what I said. It was my fault for not be extremely clear when writing about such a sensitive subject.
I should apologize for my use of the phrase "small potatoes." It was poor word choice, and I probably deserve to get chewed out for that.
If you look at what I said, I use the phrase after acknowledging that I talked to two tournament admins about the situation. I was trying to say that I had been in contact with those in charge, and that the situation had been dealt with. Moving forward I thought this situation was "small potatoes" as everything that needed to be done had be done. The very next sentence I again apologize for the event being disrupted. I wasn't trying to be anything but respectful.
The burden of clarity is on me as the speaker/writer -- my fault for not being as explicit as possible when trying to get my point across. I, however, was not trying to disrespect their event or the SEA region.
Hi evoli, thanks for clarifying
Will Sixjax be releasing a statement about this incident? As far as I can tell given your posts in this thread (and please correct me if I'm missing anything), Sixjax has yet to comment on whether it approves or disapproves of Major's conduct. Will Sixjax take any action against Major for breaking the rules of a money tournament, smurfing in competitive play, and calling the tournament organizer a fag?
The Sixjax team does not condone how MajOr acted, and I've already talked to Juan a few times about the incident since I found out about it. Juan calling someone a 'fag' is inexcusable (it offends my leftist sensibilities, as well) and if he had been told not to play he shouldn't have played.
I was contacted on Friday night (PST) by Kelly Milkies about the event and I talked to Juan shortly after finding out the whole story. The following day Dox contacted me. I apologized to him then for the grief Juan had caused.
I'm hoping the conversation the team has had with Juan stuck, and that you won't be seeing anymore antics like this from him. I'm not going into the details of our chat, as I'm of the opinion that those sort talks should remain between the team. As reassuring as I'm sure it would be for those upset to see how we went about dealing with the situation, it's something that I don't think is a appropriate to talk about with the public.
On July 19 2011 12:21 OrangeApples wrote: This thread isn't making much progress as people keep repeating the same arguments over and over again.
So far we know:
1. sixjaxmajor contacted admins and was explicitly told he was not allowed to participate 5 days before the event 2. enters anyways and gets the boot when trying to bend the rules a day beforehand 3. asks another person to use his account (while streaming, herpderp) 4. hops on an borrowed account and enters the tournament (which is essentially an action which he admits he isn't allowed to play) 5. proceeds to call the admins/organizers names and trolls people for quite awhile following his expulsion from the event when caught in the act
sixjaxmajor fanboy/backers' arguments:
1. rules weren't clear (we've established he was specifically told he was not allowed to participate, this shouldn't be argued anymore) 2. everyone in sea sucks (facepalm) 3. sea cannot grow, they suck compared to everyone else (same as 2) 4. sixjax is good, so we should totally bend the rules for him (lolwat) 5. other foreigners can play too (no they can't, dox told them they couldn't play either)
I don't think Artosis, or sixjax (evoli) has anything to say about it.. It's not the first time someone has done this, and yeah, he deserves to lose respect IF it's proven true(Which it was)... But this isn't the worst backlash he has gotten from the community (think sixjax recruitment) so it shouldn't affect anything. People are just overreacting. And the site will load, be patient, it loaded for me after a minute.. -_- I don't appreciate people making statements about it when they also say, PAGE WON'T LOAD FOR ME. It's incredibly disrespectful and arrogant... The thread was later locked and it is confirmed that he did it... It also states Sixjax was notified so it's up to them to decide what happens... It doesn't deserve pitchforks.