Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.
Leave the racial bias at the door while you are at it as well pretty please.
| kellymilkies Singapore. July 18 2011 22:29. Posts 1237 | Profile Blog # |
On July 18 2011 21:31 deL wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:
On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack.
pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account.
Do you think everyone is stupid? In May you asked me if you could play in SEA tourneys and I told you that the only ones you'd be allowed to enter are the ESL Go4SC2 tournaments. You told me you could just lie, and then on the Wednesday before the tournament you specifically asked me if you were able to join the tourney in question here. I consulted with Dox just to confirm what I already thought and indeed you were not able play. Then you asked me for a SEA account to use so knowing the rules you went out of your way to circumvent them to play in the tournament and stop trying to pretend otherwise.
Major stop being a douche. You did a dickmove and you are wrong.
Just apologise and learn from it.
You were told clearly 1000000000 times that you can't play in the tournament and yet you still abused the organiser who is sponsoring the tournament and then proceed to insult the whole SEA server.
You were told days before that you couldn't play and I'm sure that was before you bought the account.
After being told repeatedly that you are not allowed to join the tournament, you then proceeded to smurf in the tournament. It's not a big deal yes, but the fact is you cheated.
Since we are obviously not good enough for you please stay away from the server or our events and tournaments.
Just so you know, you had a lot of fans from SEA because you are such a great Terran player but I assure you by abusing the standard of play in SEA etc, that has lost you 99% of those fans.
I cannot believe that you are trying to argue and prove that you are right.
Apologise and move on dude.
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| foxmeep Australia. July 18 2011 22:31. Posts 1613 | Profile # |
Kid's just bitter about life cause he's fat and hideously ugly.
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| butchji Germany. July 18 2011 22:34. Posts 1351 | Profile # |
On July 18 2011 22:31 foxmeep wrote:
Kid's just bitter about life cause he's fat and hideously ugly.
One could claim you have some issues because you insult people over the internet you don't even know. Would you agree with them? |
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| legaton France. July 18 2011 22:35. Posts 1713 | Profile # |
Major just remembered his BW days. In BW, pros smurfing as random unknown players happened all the time.... and at each tournament, you had to look out for koreans smurfing. At that time, you just had to stop pro-am koreans from playing in foreign tournaments because the skill gap was too huge. Major was wrong of smurfing, of course, because he was told not to, but i don't think the skill gap between the SEA server and Major is so big.
Foxmeep, what's wrong with you?
Edit: Well, of course Major is better than a random SEA GM, but the australian pros should give him a fight. Last edit: 2011-07-18 22:37:13 |
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| aguy38 July 18 2011 22:35. Posts 131 | Profile Blog # |
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| billyX333 United States. July 18 2011 22:38. Posts 1359 | Profile Blog # |
On July 18 2011 22:31 foxmeep wrote:
Kid's just bitter about life cause he's fat and hideously ugly.
there is not a single happy, self secure person on this planet who would make this comment
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| foxmeep Australia. July 18 2011 22:41. Posts 1613 | Profile # |
On July 18 2011 22:38 billyX333 wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 22:31 foxmeep wrote:
Kid's just bitter about life cause he's fat and hideously ugly.
there is not a single happy, self secure person on this planet who would make this comment you must be pretty miserable yourself
Yeah sure, why not. Or, the kid is a douche to my community so I choose to insult him where it'll hurt him the most. Pretty simple concept if you ask me, no need to over analyse anything.
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| StarStruck July 18 2011 22:42. Posts 18347 | Profile # |
On July 18 2011 22:29 kellymilkies wrote:
Just so you know, you had a lot of fans from SEA because you are such a great Terran player but I assure you by abusing the standard of play in SEA etc, that has lost you 99% of those fans.
I agree with what you said earlier, but no need to go over the top.
We've been down this road before, especially with Juan. I'm certainly not surprised by his actions and people will still root for him regardless. |
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| mustache Switzerland. July 18 2011 22:43. Posts 283 | Profile # |
the thread did say that anyone with a valid SEA account could participate. Pretty dumb move to try to play after being told that you couldn't but I'd be pretty mad if I couldn't play in a tourny even though the thread says i could.
EDIT: Checked the thread and Fenix and Major posted their info there with no complaints by Dox. Proper organization would help to avoid these kind of conflicts. Not trying to legitimize what major did but I see this as a failure on both endsLast edit: 2011-07-18 22:48:10 |
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| butchji Germany. July 18 2011 22:43. Posts 1351 | Profile # |
On July 18 2011 22:41 foxmeep wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 22:38 billyX333 wrote:
On July 18 2011 22:31 foxmeep wrote:
Kid's just bitter about life cause he's fat and hideously ugly.
there is not a single happy, self secure person on this planet who would make this comment you must be pretty miserable yourself
Yeah sure, why not. Or, the kid is a douche to my community so I choose to insult him where it'll hurt him the most. Pretty simple concept if you ask me, no need to over analyse anything. PS: I'm done here.
Please don't tell me you are older than 15 or I'll lose all my faith in humanity.Last edit: 2011-07-18 22:44:10 |
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| Angry.Zerg Mexico. July 18 2011 22:47. Posts 301 | Profile Blog # |
Ay pinche juan u.u
If the organizer says "you cannot play", that's it... there is no excuses for cheating. Now I wonder if the shared account would be reported/banned, since the owner admits and claims he shared his account in the name of justice (even violating the TOS). |
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| Andrizzleton United States. July 18 2011 22:49. Posts 8 | Profile # |
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| HitMonkie Australia. July 18 2011 22:52. Posts 518 | Profile # |
On July 18 2011 22:49 Andrizzleton wrote:
Australia is SEA? I've always thought it was it's own region. Perhaps I'm confusing continents with regions.
Its SEA + OC which is Australia and New Zealand
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| iaguz Australia. July 18 2011 22:53. Posts 1251 | Profile Blog # |
Australia is it's own region, but the B.net server we use covers all of South East Asia, including New Zealand, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore and probably many others I'm totally forgetting. You could take a look at the SEA nation wars 2 thread to see a list of competing nations there and that'll give you a good idea of it.
It does NOT include Taiwan or China. They have their own servers. |
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| Phaded Australia. July 18 2011 22:57. Posts 561 | Profile # |
| Philippines and hong kong are sea too |
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| Bobble Australia. July 18 2011 23:01. Posts 1434 | Profile # |
On July 18 2011 22:49 Andrizzleton wrote:
Australia is SEA? I've always thought it was it's own region. Perhaps I'm confusing continents with regions.
I wish we had enough players for our own region. That would be boss. But no, it's basically Australia + New Zealand + Indonesia + Philippines + Singapore + Malaysia + Thailand and some others I can't remember, but yes, not Taiwan or China. Those cool cats have got their own servers.
EDIT: Oh what the hell, I copied iaguz's post without even looking at it? Oh god, I'M SUBCONSCIOUSLY PLAGIARIZING POSTS!Last edit: 2011-07-18 23:02:48 |
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| leo23 United States. July 18 2011 23:04. Posts 2842 | Profile Blog # |
On July 18 2011 22:28 butchji wrote:
Why does this have so many comments? :o
tnt we know drama |
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| HitMonkie Australia. July 18 2011 23:08. Posts 518 | Profile # |
On July 18 2011 22:57 Phaded wrote:
Philippines and hong kong are sea too
Isn't Hong Kong on the TW server?
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| UkGracken United Kingdom. July 18 2011 23:11. Posts 128 | Profile # |
On July 18 2011 22:29 kellymilkies wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 18 2011 21:31 deL wrote:
On July 18 2011 21:09 sixjaxMajor wrote:
On July 18 2011 20:52 Ipp wrote:There is fault on both sides, just because Major has a bad past he is getting the huge PR Hit. Maybe I'm wrong but here is how I understand everything went down. - The official post states "Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate."
- Major buys a SEA Account expecting to compensate himself with tournament winnings.
- Major doesn't get seeded, and asks why.
- Admin says "You are not SEA Citizen", which is in the TL Tracker but not the forum post. Expecting a person to read both the TL Tracker + Official post is a little bit much.
- Upset Major, decides to smurf even after the admin said he couldn't play as a "F U for making me spend ~$60 for nothing."
Was Major right in smurfing? No. But the mistake was on both parties in this case. In my opinion they should not of kicked him out but if he won they should have given the prize money to the account holder. It would be up to the account holder to decide if Major gets the money or not, so if it was just a random person on the internet chances are Major wouldn't get paid anyways and he cannot complain about anything. Smurfing happens. We had an oGs player smurf one of the RQTV Opens but without explicit rules, I doubt the community would react this way. The only reason this is a "big deal" is because it is infact Major. I could understand if he didn't perform well in MLG but cut the man some slack.
pretty much sum up everything and yes i didnt had to buy an account on the sea server but i had to use the playtime i had avaible for some other tourney cause missleading thread, i talked with Del 3-4 days before event asking if he could lend me an account to play on the tournament, he reponse me by saying he didnt think it was possible for me to play on the tourney but he wasnt sure but he said go register up and if they allow u to play i will lend u one, which by that time i realized i had to post my id - char code so i decided to use the playtime of the main account after logging in with the acc and going to the channel after seeing they didnt put me in the brackets god knows why @dox@ told me i wasnt allowed to play cause i wasnt a sea cetizen which pissed me off to the max cause thats not what the thread said it, it clearly said anyone with a valid sea account could play in the tournament after being denied i asked one member if i could play under his acc in the tourney to try to compensate the fact that i would have to refill my playtime cause i have another tournament in that same server, he agreed so i just proceed to play and all those screen shots in the 1st page are after they discovered i was playing with that account.
Do you think everyone is stupid? In May you asked me if you could play in SEA tourneys and I told you that the only ones you'd be allowed to enter are the ESL Go4SC2 tournaments. You told me you could just lie, and then on the Wednesday before the tournament you specifically asked me if you were able to join the tourney in question here. I consulted with Dox just to confirm what I already thought and indeed you were not able play. Then you asked me for a SEA account to use so knowing the rules you went out of your way to circumvent them to play in the tournament and stop trying to pretend otherwise.
Major stop being a douche. You did a dickmove and you are wrong. Just apologise and learn from it. You were told clearly 1000000000 times that you can't play in the tournament and yet you still abused the organiser who is sponsoring the tournament and then proceed to insult the whole SEA server. You were told days before that you couldn't play and I'm sure that was before you bought the account. After being told repeatedly that you are not allowed to join the tournament, you then proceeded to smurf in the tournament. It's not a big deal yes, but the fact is you cheated. Since we are obviously not good enough for you please stay away from the server or our events and tournaments. Just so you know, you had a lot of fans from SEA because you are such a great Terran player but I assure you by abusing the standard of play in SEA etc, that has lost you 99% of those fans. I cannot believe that you are trying to argue and prove that you are right. Apologise and move on dude.
Kelly im not sure this is the correct way, I don't think being high and mighty and claming to be in contact with 99% of his sea-fans, (to which you claim he has now lost)
I totally agree with you on some other points, but i think it starts to get a bit childish when you start making claims that hes lost fans,
"Stay away from the server or our events and tournaments" Im also confused at when blizzard said you were allowed to police there servers telling who can and can't buy a account,
I am totally with you on that he should apologise, and how he is making himself look a bit better
that he should accept it and move on.
Just in future if i was you, i would stay away from talking about a whole server, as it just makes you look like you think you own SEA and all its players. |
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| wow so many white knights, can guarantee you that there are other famous smurfers in every tournament. Juan just got caught and it's easy to flame him because of his bad rep. zz. |
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