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Page 26 and onwards I will issue at least two day bans to anyone who clearly has not read the original topic post and the explanations contained therein. He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place and used some random diamond player his account to try and get in anyway.
Leave the racial bias at the door while you are at it as well pretty please. | Fyrewolf United States. July 19 2011 00:56. Posts 1451 | Profile # |
On July 19 2011 00:41 dabom88 wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:37 Fyrewolf wrote:
On July 18 2011 23:19 dabom88 wrote:
On July 18 2011 23:15 Fyrewolf wrote:
On July 18 2011 22:03 dabom88 wrote:
I really don't see why people are trying to bring in other members of SixJax into this. It's not their responsibility over how he acts, though the SixJax organization itself can tell him to stop acting the way he does or they'll stop sponsoring him or something.
Actually, it is fair to bring up SixJax. That's what it means to represent a team. If you get hired to be on a Professional team, then you must act Professional whenever you play SC2. Why you might ask? You are supposed to act Professional because your actions reflect on more than just yourself. That's why I stated that SixJax needs to take a Visible stance on the issue, or else it reflects poorly on them. That's one of the reasons why what Major did was so very very bad. Because he's not just destroying his own integrity, but also that of the Team that hired him to represent them.
Nope. You didn't seem to read my post at all. You're fine bringing the Sixjax management who sponsor him into this. But my point clearly was that individual teammates like Artosis bear no responsibility for the way he acts. People have no place bringing Artosis into a topic like this.
No, I meant what I said. I didn't single out the SixJax management. I said he was representing a Team and that he defaced the integrity of the Team. That's why this is such a huge deal. He's hurting every single person on that team. Each member represents the entirety of the team, and doesn't represent just the management. That's why it's so important to act like a professional, it reflects upon everyone. It may seem unfair, but that's what happens when you are part of something larger than yourself, you need to act professional or by extension you hurt every other member of the organization.
Not saying you singled the management at all. I'm saying that they're really the only ones you can put any responsibility on doing anything about his behavior. Never said anything about reflection of the team or the integrity of the team. My whole point was, once again, is where the responsibility lies. And, once again, I state that the individual players on SixJax bear no responsibility in Major's behavior. Doesn't matter how badly it reflects on the team, that's a different issue.
Alright, I fully agree with this. You are right, the responsibility does lie with first Major and then the Sixjax management. The other members don't have the obligation of responsibility. Their stake in the team was harmed, but any issues between the various players of the team is a personal issue between them and major and not for us to discuss, they have no obligation to do anything.
I do hope that SixJax does something to try and save some face though, I don't want the other players to be harmed because of this. Hopefully in the future SixJax can be a name to be looked up to instead of the other way around. |
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| Novalisk Israel. July 19 2011 00:59. Posts 1769 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2011 00:50 naggerNZ wrote:
Personally, what I have been trying to say, is that this is nothing new, it happens quite regularly (players smurfing to enter tournaments they don't meet the requirements for), and 50 pages of replies in 24 hours over a matter that was 100% resolved by the admins, on the day, is nothing short of ridiculous. I'm not trying to suggest that what Major did was not wrong and bad mannered, however this matter was RESOLVED. This is just a witch hunt because people dislike Juan.
You can't cheat in a tournament and expect backlash only from the tournament itself. Especially if you're well known. |
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| naggerNZ New Zealand. July 19 2011 01:05. Posts 701 | Profile # |
| From what I've read in the OP and it's responses, he never cheated in the tournament. Unless you consider being way, way better than everyone else cheating. |
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| BaLoO- France. July 19 2011 01:06. Posts 318 | Profile # |
On July 19 2011 00:50 naggerNZ wrote:
Personally, what I have been trying to say, is that this is nothing new, it happens quite regularly (players smurfing to enter tournaments they don't meet the requirements for), and 50 pages of replies in 24 hours over a matter that was 100% resolved by the admins, on the day, is nothing short of ridiculous. I'm not trying to suggest that what Major did was not wrong and bad mannered, however this matter was RESOLVED. This is just a witch hunt because people dislike Juan.
I had absolutely nothing against him, I had no idea of who he was, just knew he was an awesomely good terran, going up. Therefore if I had an opinion it was rather a positive one than a negative. And even though, I do believe what Major has done was totally wrong, come on, he knew he was doing something wrong but didn't even care ... And by reading this thread I've learnt a bit on him, and seems like he had already quite a bad reputation ... I hope his team will take appropriate measures. Just like I hope it would be the case for every other player being a stupid asshole. |
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 JediGamer United States. July 19 2011 01:06. Posts 656 | Profile # |
| SEA is pretty selective with these tourneys. Never really seen rules so paved with "let an aussie win". |
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| Zaros United Kingdom. July 19 2011 01:06. Posts 1209 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2011 01:05 naggerNZ wrote:
From what I've read in the OP and it's responses, he never cheated in the tournament. Unless you consider being way, way better than everyone else cheating.
You cant read then clearly, as he was told he is not allowed to enter the tournament because he doesn't live in SEA and then he borrowed an account to enter anyway. |
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| CajunMan United States. July 19 2011 01:07. Posts 801 | Profile # |
On July 19 2011 00:34 Terminal wrote:
Artosis needs to man up and get rid of this kid, there's a reason teams don't want him.
I don't think Artosis cares I think he's trying to make a great SC2 team not win a popularity contest. Major may have been a dick and smurfing like a dumbass but he is a good player if you watched him at Columbus MLG you saw how good he really is. He smashed some of the best players out there and is damn good. To cut major would be a really bad desion. |
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| mustache Switzerland. July 19 2011 01:07. Posts 287 | Profile # |
On July 19 2011 00:50 Belial88 wrote:
Yea I can't understand why anyone would stand up for this. I guess it's because they haven't read the OP or thread lol.
^ ImHuko read the OP. You should edit your post or your gonna get 2 day ban :X
because people are blowing something neglible way out of proportion? because alot of the arguements against major are just stupid, like that the money was supposed to go to up and comers (yeah lol moonglade is an up and comer)
Also most people seem to jump on the tourny organizers side jsut because he made a ncie thread about it and are now acting like they're outraged about something they really don't care about.
The tourny organizer stated in the tourny thread that all players with a SEA account could play. Not people that live in SEA, ACCOUNTS on the SEA server. If major bought an account to play and 10 minutes before the game was told he couldn't play that's pretty lame.
If he actually bought an account or not isn't even a big deal, this could have happened to anyone that actually followed the rules of the tourny thread(and bought an account to play), and as such represents horrible tournament organisation.
so lets summarize.
1) this is not a big deal
2) stating new rules 10 minutes before the games sucks (reread the OP, same thing applies, even if its a few days before the tourny. someone could have invested 50 bucks in an account to play for 500 and then could have been denied)
3) major shouldn't have done it
4) money went to another pro, and did nothing to grow the top level SEA scene
5) even if money wen to a non-pro it would do diddly squat to grow the SEA scene
info:
from the tourny thread: Region: Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240232
page 4 shows no complaint from dox about majors registration
User was temp banned for this post.Last edit: 2011-07-19 01:13:04 |
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| HuTSC2 Australia. July 19 2011 01:08. Posts 173 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2011 01:06 JediGamer wrote:
SEA is pretty selective with these tourneys. Never really seen rules so paved with "let an aussie win".
Sorry, but what exactly does this troll-bait add to the thread? ~_~
MajOr did the wrong thing, and should be punished accordingly. |
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| naggerNZ New Zealand. July 19 2011 01:08. Posts 701 | Profile # |
On July 19 2011 01:06 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 01:05 naggerNZ wrote:
From what I've read in the OP and it's responses, he never cheated in the tournament. Unless you consider being way, way better than everyone else cheating.
You cant read then clearly, as he was told he is not allowed to enter the tournament because he doesn't live in SEA and then he borrowed an account to enter anyway.
That's not cheating, that's just entering under false pretenses. The results he got, and the people he knocked out were by his own skill. |
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| NotSupporting Sweden. July 19 2011 01:10. Posts 1983 | Profile # |
On July 19 2011 01:07 CajunMan wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:34 Terminal wrote:
Artosis needs to man up and get rid of this kid, there's a reason teams don't want him.
I don't think Artosis cares I think he's trying to make a great SC2 team not win a popularity contest. Major may have been a dick and smurfing like a dumbass but he is a good player if you watched him at Columbus MLG you saw how good he really is. He smashed some of the best players out there and is damn good. To cut major would be a really bad desion.
The reason why he wanted to play in this tournament to start with is because the level of play would be much lower therefore giving him a chance. Major is only good in comparison to the other players on Sixjax, he might be at the top of the "semi-pro" scene but he is nothing compared to the real top players and he certainly isn't great. |
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| koppik United States. July 19 2011 01:10. Posts 676 | Profile # |
On July 19 2011 01:05 naggerNZ wrote:
From what I've read in the OP and it's responses, he never cheated in the tournament. Unless you consider being way, way better than everyone else cheating.
Yeah, my sense of "cheating" is that it's used to gain an unfair advantage. I suppose SEA people being unable to recognize him and his playstyle is a bit of an unfair advantage, but overall I would just term it a "rule violation". Throw in an "intentional" if you like. Calling it "cheating" is more likely than not just going to result in a semantic dispute.
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| AzurewinD United States. July 19 2011 01:10. Posts 565 | Profile # |
On July 19 2011 01:07 mustache wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:50 Belial88 wrote:
Yea I can't understand why anyone would stand up for this. I guess it's because they haven't read the OP or thread lol.
^ ImHuko read the OP. You should edit your post or your gonna get 2 day ban :X
because people are blowing something neglible way out of proportion? because alot of the arguements against major are just stupid, like that the money was supposed to go to up and comers (yeah lol moonglade is an up and comer) Also most people seem to jump on the tourny organizers side jsut because he made a ncie thread about it and are now acting like they're outraged about something they really don't care about. The tourny organizer stated in the tourny thread that all players with a SEA account could play. Not people that live in SEA, ACCOUNTS on the SEA server. If major bought an account to play and 10 minutes before the game was told he couldn't play that's pretty lame. If he actually bought an account or not isn't even a big deal, this could have happened to anyone that actually followed the rules of the tourny thread(and bought an account to play), and as such represents horrible tournament organisation. so lets summarize. 1) this is not a big deal 2) stating new rules 10 minutes before the games sucks3) major shouldn't have done it 4) money went to another pro, and did nothing to grow the top level SEA scene 5) even if money wen to a non-pro it would do diddly squat to grow the SEA scene info: from the tourny thread: Region: Anyone with a valid SEA battle.net account can participate.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240232
Read
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Holy hell. I can't believe people are still saying this after the disclaimer at the top of the thread and numerous posts debunking all of these arguments. Stop encouraging this stuff.
He was barred access to the event days before the actual event took place
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| Zaros United Kingdom. July 19 2011 01:10. Posts 1209 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2011 01:08 naggerNZ wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 01:06 Zaros wrote:
On July 19 2011 01:05 naggerNZ wrote:
From what I've read in the OP and it's responses, he never cheated in the tournament. Unless you consider being way, way better than everyone else cheating.
You cant read then clearly, as he was told he is not allowed to enter the tournament because he doesn't live in SEA and then he borrowed an account to enter anyway.
That's not cheating, that's just entering under false pretenses. The results he got, and the people he knocked out were by his own skill.
Its cheating, i cant believe people are defending him even after his responses lol, makes me lose hope in humanity. |
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| Zarahtra Iceland. July 19 2011 01:11. Posts 3581 | Profile # |
On July 19 2011 01:07 mustache wrote:1) this is not a big deal
2) stating new rules 10 minutes before the games sucks
3) major shouldn't have done it
4) money went to another pro, and did nothing to grow the top level SEA scene
5) even if money wen to a non-pro it would do diddly squat to grow the SEA scene
Fairly good summarize(though 2 is wrong). Major is in the wrong here(obviously), but this thread has so much drama... I still hope sixjax comes with some kind of apology and a slap on the wrist for major.Last edit: 2011-07-19 01:12:33 |
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| Bobster Germany. July 19 2011 01:12. Posts 3066 | Profile # |
On July 18 2011 17:57 Sated wrote:
Meh. Major was told he couldn't participate, he shouldn't have done this, it is pretty obvious that this was a bad thing to do etc. I don't think that's the important issue, though. What I think of reading some of the replies to this thread is this:
People complained when Catz suggested that some tournaments shouldn't allow Koreans to participate so the Foreigner scene can grow. The condemnation was fairly outspoken and people thought it was stupid that Koreans shouldn't be allowed in Foreign tournaments. One of the main reasons given was that the Foreigner scene wouldn't grow as quickly as Foreigners wouldn't need to compete against the best for money, they'd only have to compete with each other.
On the flip-side, people are now arguing that this SEA-restricted tournament is going to help the SEA scene grow by allowing the SEA players to make some money playing the game, giving them more time to train so that they'll be able to take on players from other regions/Korea.
Erm, pick one guys. Please?
SEA is not NA or EU. They are at incomparable phases of development, requiring different "treatment" for each.
But even that said, there is no "guys" here to pick one. Just thousands of people with their own opinions. There is no hivemind, and 500 people agreeing with one thing in one thread and 500 more agreeing on another in another thread does not mean anyone has flip-flopped. TL is a big place. |
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| Tppz! Germany. July 19 2011 01:12. Posts 1330 | Profile # |
On July 19 2011 00:02 Olinim wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:00 Tppz! wrote:
On July 18 2011 23:48 lisward wrote:
If Major had came out with a "Sorry I misunderstood rules (A lie, but at least an apology), very sorry guys, will not do again, would like to apologize to SEA community", I'm pretty sure this whole thing would have died down, but instead he chose to cover up his lies with more lies and just add fuel to the fire.
Well he didnt mmisunderstand the rules. The rules werent listed right wchich made him buy an account. Afterwards he was told he cant participate because of a rule that isnt in the "Rule book" of the event. So it wasnt even MajOrs fault. You cant even tell that he did break the rules cause the rule wasnt there. Thats what I thought after reading the OP while being completly objective. And I was right as I can see. And since there was no rule officially that prevented MajOrs participation in the tourny he took his only choice to do so.
Except that he contacted the admin that clearly told him he was ineligible, and the admin makes the rules, seems official to me. So you might want to work on your attention span and read the thread to aid you in your unquestionable but uninformed objectivity. He also stated he did not buy an account, once again the powers of your over eagerness fail you once more. There was an official rule, Major was aware, which is why he shared accounts and cheated his way into the tourney.
Back again n a pc.
So who knew about this rule other than the admin and MajOr? You cant have rules noone knows about. They didnt even edit the rules in the official thread so every1 could see that there was something going wrong.
What about other players who dont live in SEA and participated? If you read the read several ppl stated that there were some others than MajOr.
And go back to Page 2x. I know what was going on. I talked to Dox. I posted here earlier.
Facts of this disaster:
-there was a rule noone knew about
-The official thread said "every1 with a SEA account was able to play"
-Getting told a rule u never heard of and that noone else would hear of taht gets you banned from the tournament? No reaction to clear this failure by the admin
-MajOr signed in for the tournament where he was allowed to play ("every1 with a SEA account is allowed"). MajOr played in the tournament.
-I see no rule that bans some1 that smurfs. A lot of palyer do this. Naniwa for example smurfed a long time on the ladder in EU.
-a lot of haters hate and post. very little ppl think and post
-MajOr was banned but played anyways.
-Ppl overreacting a lot |
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| BigFan July 19 2011 01:13. Posts 2954 | Profile Blog # |
| I don't see what the issue is. He was told by DoX that he couldn't enter due to not being in SEA. Instead, he smurfed, got caught and was thrown out of the tourney. His punishment now is the inability to participate in any future events that DoX runs. I think that's a good punishment, shouldn't have went against the tournament organizers when they specifically told him that he can't participate! |
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| Liudo United Kingdom. July 19 2011 01:14. Posts 344 | Profile # |
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| Olinim July 19 2011 01:14. Posts 3982 | Profile # |
On July 19 2011 01:07 CajunMan wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2011 00:34 Terminal wrote:
Artosis needs to man up and get rid of this kid, there's a reason teams don't want him.
I don't think Artosis cares I think he's trying to make a great SC2 team not win a popularity contest. Major may have been a dick and smurfing like a dumbass but he is a good player if you watched him at Columbus MLG you saw how good he really is. He smashed some of the best players out there and is damn good. To cut major would be a really bad desion.
Lol who did he smash at columbus...Incontrol tyler axslav and tlo....yeah some of the best out there for sure. Come on hes decent but not irreplaceable by any stretch of the imagination. |
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