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| Ryuu314 United States. April 04 2012 04:33. Posts 5309 | Profile # |
On April 03 2012 02:53 Caphe wrote:
Does Corki always need to build Tri-force first? I build IE than PD in some games but with IE only I feel that my output is quite low compare to an Ashe with IE.
I still like Triforce cause it's super well rounded and all the stats are useful for Corki. The phage stats are nice survivability and the slow has great synergy with your E as it make your target eat a majority of your E. Sheen stats give much needed mana and the proc is great considering you can proc it every time it's off cd. Zeal stats are just good in general for AD champs. The only truly wasted stat on Triforce is the AP, but even then it adds a tiny bit of damage.
That said, I've found that IE first is just much much stronger than Triforce first. You get a noticeably larger damage increase with IE first over Triforce. Keep in mind that Corki's passive is calculated on the damage dealt, so when you crit, the passive is calculated based off the crit damage. Ex. Say you have 100 AD and you crit for 250. The passive will add 25 extra damage to that as opposed to 10.
I personally like building Triforce out of my Zeal (after IE) than PD cause it's more versatile and makes you a stronger duelist. PD probably does give you greater lategame dps though due to the interaction between aspd and crit.
On April 04 2012 02:57 bmn wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 23:42 noggnoskill wrote:
On November 23 2011 16:55 Sasquatch wrote:
On November 23 2011 16:24 alokin wrote:im kinda a newb just starting out ranked. i love playing corki to death. however, i would like to know what "procs" means?  ty
As a noun, a proc is a special ability from an item. E.g. the Sheen proc is the extra damage you get after casting a spell. In general, when used as a verb, it means to activate the special ability on said item.
This post is months old, but I'd still like to amend any misconceptions it seems that millions of LoL players have about this. "proc" is short for "programmed random occurence" Sheen bonus damage or spell activations are not random, therefore, despite the community using the word to describe them, they are not procs. A crit is a proc. A phage/triforce slow is a proc. A frozen mallet slow is not a proc.
The official LoL patch notes even describe the bonus damage triggered by Sheen as "proc": http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=256759While the etymology of the term is interesting, the original definition is not what the term means when used in the context of LoL.
Besides, meanings of words and terms change drastically over time. Take fag for instance. It used to mean a cigarette, now it's a insult calling someone homosexual. |
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| Typhon United States. April 04 2012 04:55. Posts 381 | Profile # |
Proc is short for "procedure", or basically any special code tied to an on-hit. it doesn't have to be random just because WoW popularized it's usage for random effects.
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| overt United States. April 04 2012 05:26. Posts 3963 | Profile Blog # |
On April 04 2012 04:33 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 02:53 Caphe wrote:
Does Corki always need to build Tri-force first? I build IE than PD in some games but with IE only I feel that my output is quite low compare to an Ashe with IE.
I still like Triforce cause it's super well rounded and all the stats are useful for Corki. The phage stats are nice survivability and the slow has great synergy with your E as it make your target eat a majority of your E. Sheen stats give much needed mana and the proc is great considering you can proc it every time it's off cd. Zeal stats are just good in general for AD champs. The only truly wasted stat on Triforce is the AP, but even then it adds a tiny bit of damage. That said, I've found that IE first is just much much stronger than Triforce first. You get a noticeably larger damage increase with IE first over Triforce. Keep in mind that Corki's passive is calculated on the damage dealt, so when you crit, the passive is calculated based off the crit damage. Ex. Say you have 100 AD and you crit for 250. The passive will add 25 extra damage to that as opposed to 10. I personally like building Triforce out of my Zeal (after IE) than PD cause it's more versatile and makes you a stronger duelist. PD probably does give you greater lategame dps though due to the interaction between aspd and crit.
By itself Trinity gives you more damage than IE unless you get crazy lucky with crits. Sheen procs, extra health, and 30% better attack speed is crazy strong. Once you get IE/Zeal you out dps someone with like Trinity + pickaxe but by themselves an AD carry with Zerkers, 2 dblade, vamp, trinity is gonna beat an AD carry with Zerkers, 2 dblade, vamp, IE. Unless of course, you get really lucky with your crits.
imo, if you don't go Trinity first on Corki and opt for IE you really shouldn't get Trinity at all. Would make way more sense to invest 2800 gold into PD rather than spend 4K gold on a Trinity after you've already spent nearly 4K gold on IE. |
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| spacemonkey4eve United States. April 07 2012 00:00. Posts 173 | Profile Blog # |
I've been following chaox's guide on solomid, and he says it's situational whether to go IE or triforce first, but ultimately, he recommends getting both regardless. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't attackspeed from PD not that great on corki? I mean yeah you need to auto attack whenever u can, but his low range and burst from spells favor spamming his abilities (mostly his R) over autoing.
I've been playing a lot of corki lately, and I found that I have a hard time dealing with graves, whereas I usually dominate ashe/sivir/trist. I don't know if it's because I'm facing experienced graves players or if corki is weak against him (or I'm just a rusty corki player). |
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| Strykemard April 12 2012 12:59. Posts 101 | Profile # |
From what I know Trinity Force gives you higher burst while IE gives you more sustained damage. And as for PD, it is not a bad buy as the mobility and crit chance help, and it helps the autoattacks that you'd want to do during gattling gun.
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| Eppa! Sweden. April 12 2012 22:51. Posts 1374 | Profile # |
On April 07 2012 00:00 spacemonkey4eve wrote:
I've been following chaox's guide on solomid, and he says it's situational whether to go IE or triforce first, but ultimately, he recommends getting both regardless. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't attackspeed from PD not that great on corki? I mean yeah you need to auto attack whenever u can, but his low range and burst from spells favor spamming his abilities (mostly his R) over autoing.
I've been playing a lot of corki lately, and I found that I have a hard time dealing with graves, whereas I usually dominate ashe/sivir/trist. I don't know if it's because I'm facing experienced graves players or if corki is weak against him (or I'm just a rusty corki player).
It depends on your support, Janna+Corki is not that strong vs graves, Soraka, Corki shits on any graves lane.
Is it worth it to get BC on Triforce corki with a good AD damage top I feel like it might be a good idea? It feels like it should be really good vs bruisers.
I usually just get IE+PD unless they have a jump your ass team. Last edit: 2012-04-12 22:53:45 |
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| little fancy Germany. April 12 2012 23:04. Posts 1002 | Profile # |
On April 12 2012 22:51 Eppa! wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 00:00 spacemonkey4eve wrote:
I've been following chaox's guide on solomid, and he says it's situational whether to go IE or triforce first, but ultimately, he recommends getting both regardless. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't attackspeed from PD not that great on corki? I mean yeah you need to auto attack whenever u can, but his low range and burst from spells favor spamming his abilities (mostly his R) over autoing.
I've been playing a lot of corki lately, and I found that I have a hard time dealing with graves, whereas I usually dominate ashe/sivir/trist. I don't know if it's because I'm facing experienced graves players or if corki is weak against him (or I'm just a rusty corki player).
It depends on your support, Janna+Corki is not that strong vs graves, Soraka, Corki shits on any graves lane. Is it worth it to get BC on Triforce corki with a good AD damage top I feel like it might be a good idea.
From my experience it's usually not that easy if Graves has an aggressive support with him (Leona or Sona come to mind). While it's true that Soraka gives Corki infinite mana, this lane is pretty weak in the early levels. For example, a Graves + Sona combination will abuse this if they play smart. Corki is not going to have any favourable trade in the early levels vs Sona burst + Graves Q + Graves passive, especially when Soraka relies on putting more points into Infuse first to sustain Corki's mana.
It's a skill matchup though, there are way too many Sonas out there that play like a passive sustain support maxing heal. In these lanes, Corki + Soraka will inevitably gain the upper hand after the early levels. |
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| bmn April 17 2012 02:57. Posts 506 | Profile # |
I've started playing Corki, and so far it's the only AD carry that I both enjoy playing and do decently with. (I enjoyed Ez too, but I never did well past laning phase with him.)
One thing I was curious about: Is it worth maxing Q first over E first if you're playing an aggressive bot lane? e.g. against Graves, as mentioned before, wouldn't maxing E before Q (but first point in Q) allow you to outtrade Graves? Or is that simply not strong enough?
Also, I keep running out of mana; it's a lot better now than in my first two games, but I'd still be a lot more annoying with mana regen (I go pure AD/armor/mres runes, 21/9/0 masteries).
Does it make sense to still just get an early sheen for trading in lane and the added mana? I prefer skipping Triforce entirely for the high cost and the more obvious immediate pay-off of the IEdge parts (BF sword, Pickaxe). |
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| TeMiL Peru. April 21 2012 02:56. Posts 509 | Profile Blog # |
| my 2nd champion to be learned and its preatty nice!!! |
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| JonsaBoy Denmark. April 21 2012 07:03. Posts 393 | Profile Blog # |
| I updated the guide to fit modern playstyle better. I still kept some of the old reccomendations in spoilers, simply because I don't think they're bad, they're just situational. I realized that manamune is pretty much pointless for all things bot lane, you very rarely need to instantly clear botlane like you do mid. Pretty much the only thing its good for is if you're losing bot hard and need to be able to clear the wave before their waves get to your tower. |
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| Ryuu314 United States. April 21 2012 07:48. Posts 5309 | Profile # |
On April 17 2012 02:57 bmn wrote:
I've started playing Corki, and so far it's the only AD carry that I both enjoy playing and do decently with. (I enjoyed Ez too, but I never did well past laning phase with him.)
One thing I was curious about: Is it worth maxing Q first over E first if you're playing an aggressive bot lane? e.g. against Graves, as mentioned before, wouldn't maxing E before Q (but first point in Q) allow you to outtrade Graves? Or is that simply not strong enough?
Also, I keep running out of mana; it's a lot better now than in my first two games, but I'd still be a lot more annoying with mana regen (I go pure AD/armor/mres runes, 21/9/0 masteries).
Does it make sense to still just get an early sheen for trading in lane and the added mana? I prefer skipping Triforce entirely for the high cost and the more obvious immediate pay-off of the IEdge parts (BF sword, Pickaxe).
You should almost always be maxing Q over E. E doesn't do much damage until you get some items and while the armor shred is nice, the bursting/harassing power of Q is too good. Q+auto will easily burst the enemy for almost 150 damage at lvl 1 with the right runes. Not to mention by maxing Q you get magic, physical, and a bit of true damage, which makes Corki's harass really hard to itemize against in lane.
With regards to mana there's not much to say except manage your mana better :\
Sheen is the shittiest part of Triforce imo and if you're going to get it, you want Phage first as it does much more for you. If you absolutely need mana, get a tear->manamune but that's very sub-optimal. |
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| TeMiL Peru. April 27 2012 13:56. Posts 509 | Profile Blog # |
am new in lol
how i can red the runes specs?
Quints: Flat ArPen, Flat HP, Flat AD
Marks: Flat ArPen, Flat AD
Seals: HP (scaling), flat Armor, ManaRegen (scaling), Flat AtkSpd
Glyphs: AP (scaling or flat), Flat Atkspd, CD reduc (flat), ManaRegen
i went to the store and i cant recognice noone T_T |
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| Blind United States. April 27 2012 14:04. Posts 2504 | Profile Blog # |
On April 27 2012 13:56 TeMiL wrote:
am new in lol
how i can red the runes specs?
Quints: Flat ArPen, Flat HP, Flat AD
Marks: Flat ArPen, Flat AD
Seals: HP (scaling), flat Armor, ManaRegen (scaling), Flat AtkSpd
Glyphs: AP (scaling or flat), Flat Atkspd, CD reduc (flat), ManaRegen
i went to the store and i cant recognice noone T_T
FlatArPen = Desolation
Flat HP = Fortitude
Scaling HP = Vitality
Flat AD = Strength
Flat Armor = Resilience
Flat ManaRegen = Replenishment
Scaling ManaRegen = Knowledge
Flat Attack Speed = Alacrity
Flat AP = Potency
Scaling AP = Force
Flat CD reduction = Focus |
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| Eppa! Sweden. April 27 2012 14:30. Posts 1374 | Profile # |
On April 12 2012 23:04 little fancy wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 22:51 Eppa! wrote:
On April 07 2012 00:00 spacemonkey4eve wrote:
I've been following chaox's guide on solomid, and he says it's situational whether to go IE or triforce first, but ultimately, he recommends getting both regardless. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't attackspeed from PD not that great on corki? I mean yeah you need to auto attack whenever u can, but his low range and burst from spells favor spamming his abilities (mostly his R) over autoing.
I've been playing a lot of corki lately, and I found that I have a hard time dealing with graves, whereas I usually dominate ashe/sivir/trist. I don't know if it's because I'm facing experienced graves players or if corki is weak against him (or I'm just a rusty corki player).
It depends on your support, Janna+Corki is not that strong vs graves, Soraka, Corki shits on any graves lane. Is it worth it to get BC on Triforce corki with a good AD damage top I feel like it might be a good idea.
From my experience it's usually not that easy if Graves has an aggressive support with him (Leona or Sona come to mind). While it's true that Soraka gives Corki infinite mana, this lane is pretty weak in the early levels. For example, a Graves + Sona combination will abuse this if they play smart. Corki is not going to have any favourable trade in the early levels vs Sona burst + Graves Q + Graves passive, especially when Soraka relies on putting more points into Infuse first to sustain Corki's mana. It's a skill matchup though, there are way too many Sonas out there that play like a passive sustain support maxing heal. In these lanes, Corki + Soraka will inevitably gain the upper hand after the early levels.
It is graves, so you don't trade and just farm most of the time. |
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| Eppa! Sweden. April 27 2012 14:35. Posts 1374 | Profile # |
On April 17 2012 02:57 bmn wrote:
I've started playing Corki, and so far it's the only AD carry that I both enjoy playing and do decently with. (I enjoyed Ez too, but I never did well past laning phase with him.)
One thing I was curious about: Is it worth maxing Q first over E first if you're playing an aggressive bot lane? e.g. against Graves, as mentioned before, wouldn't maxing E before Q (but first point in Q) allow you to outtrade Graves? Or is that simply not strong enough?
Also, I keep running out of mana; it's a lot better now than in my first two games, but I'd still be a lot more annoying with mana regen (I go pure AD/armor/mres runes, 21/9/0 masteries).
Does it make sense to still just get an early sheen for trading in lane and the added mana? I prefer skipping Triforce entirely for the high cost and the more obvious immediate pay-off of the IEdge parts (BF sword, Pickaxe).
As someone that has actually played max Corki E builds its sucks as vs Graves, all he has to do is Q then E away. Vs something like Caitlyn I am not sure what is better but i am leaning towards E, less mana intensive more damage. |
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| barbsq United States. April 27 2012 16:06. Posts 3036 | Profile # |
On April 27 2012 14:30 Eppa! wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 23:04 little fancy wrote:
On April 12 2012 22:51 Eppa! wrote:
On April 07 2012 00:00 spacemonkey4eve wrote:
I've been following chaox's guide on solomid, and he says it's situational whether to go IE or triforce first, but ultimately, he recommends getting both regardless. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't attackspeed from PD not that great on corki? I mean yeah you need to auto attack whenever u can, but his low range and burst from spells favor spamming his abilities (mostly his R) over autoing.
I've been playing a lot of corki lately, and I found that I have a hard time dealing with graves, whereas I usually dominate ashe/sivir/trist. I don't know if it's because I'm facing experienced graves players or if corki is weak against him (or I'm just a rusty corki player).
It depends on your support, Janna+Corki is not that strong vs graves, Soraka, Corki shits on any graves lane. Is it worth it to get BC on Triforce corki with a good AD damage top I feel like it might be a good idea.
From my experience it's usually not that easy if Graves has an aggressive support with him (Leona or Sona come to mind). While it's true that Soraka gives Corki infinite mana, this lane is pretty weak in the early levels. For example, a Graves + Sona combination will abuse this if they play smart. Corki is not going to have any favourable trade in the early levels vs Sona burst + Graves Q + Graves passive, especially when Soraka relies on putting more points into Infuse first to sustain Corki's mana. It's a skill matchup though, there are way too many Sonas out there that play like a passive sustain support maxing heal. In these lanes, Corki + Soraka will inevitably gain the upper hand after the early levels.
It is graves, so you don't trade and just farm most of the time.
i actually played the matchup a few days ago and felt like I could easily out-trade him. He and taric nearly gibbed my soraka once, but I never really felt in danger for the majority of that matchup, and prob could have, and should have, bullied him a lot more.
edit: shameless self plug: http://www.own3d.tv/barbsq#/watch/598095 is a vod of the game, was something ~ 1350ish elo, but I didn't feel like the graves was particularly incompetent.Last edit: 2012-04-27 16:10:19 |
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| Eppa! Sweden. April 28 2012 07:37. Posts 1374 | Profile # |
On April 27 2012 16:06 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 14:30 Eppa! wrote:
On April 12 2012 23:04 little fancy wrote:
On April 12 2012 22:51 Eppa! wrote:
On April 07 2012 00:00 spacemonkey4eve wrote:
I've been following chaox's guide on solomid, and he says it's situational whether to go IE or triforce first, but ultimately, he recommends getting both regardless. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't attackspeed from PD not that great on corki? I mean yeah you need to auto attack whenever u can, but his low range and burst from spells favor spamming his abilities (mostly his R) over autoing.
I've been playing a lot of corki lately, and I found that I have a hard time dealing with graves, whereas I usually dominate ashe/sivir/trist. I don't know if it's because I'm facing experienced graves players or if corki is weak against him (or I'm just a rusty corki player).
It depends on your support, Janna+Corki is not that strong vs graves, Soraka, Corki shits on any graves lane. Is it worth it to get BC on Triforce corki with a good AD damage top I feel like it might be a good idea.
From my experience it's usually not that easy if Graves has an aggressive support with him (Leona or Sona come to mind). While it's true that Soraka gives Corki infinite mana, this lane is pretty weak in the early levels. For example, a Graves + Sona combination will abuse this if they play smart. Corki is not going to have any favourable trade in the early levels vs Sona burst + Graves Q + Graves passive, especially when Soraka relies on putting more points into Infuse first to sustain Corki's mana. It's a skill matchup though, there are way too many Sonas out there that play like a passive sustain support maxing heal. In these lanes, Corki + Soraka will inevitably gain the upper hand after the early levels.
It is graves, so you don't trade and just farm most of the time.
i actually played the matchup a few days ago and felt like I could easily out-trade him. He and taric nearly gibbed my soraka once, but I never really felt in danger for the majority of that matchup, and prob could have, and should have, bullied him a lot more. edit: shameless self plug: http://www.own3d.tv/barbsq#/watch/598095 is a vod of the game, was something ~ 1350ish elo, but I didn't feel like the graves was particularly incompetent.
I watch it and he did miss play a lot. You could basically do whatever you wanted pre 3 which is really weird play from Graves. He could also have killed Soraka once before the gank.
Graves+X agro vs Corki+Soraka is basically passive until 5 Soraka should take 0 damage then at 5 you can go agro until 6 then at 8 Soraka shits on Graves damage and the lane becomes faceroll. Get an early kill means you can now freeze the lane get a 30-50 cs lead. Last edit: 2012-04-28 07:41:47 |
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| koreasilver Canada. April 28 2012 12:52. Posts 7480 | Profile Blog # |
| So I picked up Corki about a week or two ago and I have a question. In the case that you build IE first instead of taking the trinity route, is it better to build a PD afterwards with the zeal or is it worth it to build a trinity after IE? I've only built PD in the games I've played but this is a thought that's come across me today. |
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| Solarsail United Kingdom. February 07 2013 09:59. Posts 523 | Profile # |
I'm pretty new to LoL and I've only played Corki to Lv10.
I'm fine through to the lategame but even with IE+PD+BT at Lv18 I feel like I can't engage anyone 1v1, and in a teamfight I can't engage anyone because of low range and health. Do I need to change my item build or engagement strategy? I don't feel I can contribute without dying (other than rockets). |
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| d3_crescentia United States. February 07 2013 15:13. Posts 3657 | Profile Blog # |
part of the problem might be that it's popular to stack health right now in the meta, but even so you shouldn't be utterly ineffectual. you should really be getting a triforce so you can spam q/r between autoattacks for extra damage. I don't know if PD is really necessary on corki if you have a triforce, but I've only played him a handful of times so don't take my word on that. you may also want to check what items your opponents are building when - people start getting more armor in mid-late game, so you'll need to know when to get a lw or black cleaver (someone tell me which is better on corki?)
since you're only level 10, maybe it seems like you're playing the role well enough? in late-game teamfights as an adc your priorities are to stay alive and do damage, in that order. rarely will you want to be the one to initiate the fight and rarely will you want to get into the middle of the fight once it starts because you'll likely get your face bashed in. you're not an assassin who just blows their abilities on a single target and then becomes useless until their cooldowns have reset; you're there to provide sustained dps against targets in range over the course of the teamfight. ideally you'd target the enemy carries since they're the most threatening, but you shouldn't put yourself at risk of dying to do so. |
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