 UniversalSnip July 29 2011 13:59. Posts 4820 | Profile Blog # |
On July 29 2011 13:55 r33k wrote:
Wukong feels like a Lee Sin with less damage to me.
lee sin is pretty gross though.
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| r33k Italy. July 29 2011 14:02. Posts 2462 | Profile Blog # |
On July 29 2011 13:59 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 13:55 r33k wrote:
Wukong feels like a Lee Sin with less damage to me.
lee sin is pretty gross though.
If you mean the default skin I'm 100% with you. Otherwise I have no idea what you're talking about. |
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| Mogwai United States. July 29 2011 14:03. Posts 8053 | Profile Blog # |
On July 29 2011 13:55 r33k wrote:Wukong feels like a Lee Sin with less damage to me. As far as trynd goes I tried the old h4ckerv2 build and didn't do too shabby, but I really felt the need for a rageblade. I would really like a revamp of rice blade and kage's, something like what they did with philo so that you can hold onto them and lategame turn them into a big item. BTW: champion synergy guide by westrice.
hacker did nothing but lose tonight when I ran into him. his old build is awful on trynd, you gotta build like a tanky dps now IMO. best trynd I seen this patch when hog + avarice -> warmog's -> atma's and was almost as beastly as my jarmangz. |
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| UniversalSnip July 29 2011 14:04. Posts 4820 | Profile Blog # |
On July 29 2011 14:02 r33k wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 13:59 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 29 2011 13:55 r33k wrote:
Wukong feels like a Lee Sin with less damage to me.
lee sin is pretty gross though.
If you mean the default skin I'm 100% with you. Otherwise I have no idea what you're talking about.
I mean lee sin is well above the power curve |
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| r33k Italy. July 29 2011 14:14. Posts 2462 | Profile Blog # |
On July 29 2011 14:03 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 13:55 r33k wrote:Wukong feels like a Lee Sin with less damage to me. As far as trynd goes I tried the old h4ckerv2 build and didn't do too shabby, but I really felt the need for a rageblade. I would really like a revamp of rice blade and kage's, something like what they did with philo so that you can hold onto them and lategame turn them into a big item. BTW: champion synergy guide by westrice.
hacker did nothing but lose tonight when I ran into him. his old build is awful on trynd, you gotta build like a tanky dps now IMO. best trynd I seen this patch when hog + avarice -> warmog's -> atma's and was almost as beastly as my jarmangz.
Now you got me pondering on how to rune him... It used to be so easy, straight forward all penetration... mmm penetration...
On July 29 2011 14:04 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 14:02 r33k wrote:
On July 29 2011 13:59 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 29 2011 13:55 r33k wrote:
Wukong feels like a Lee Sin with less damage to me.
lee sin is pretty gross though.
If you mean the default skin I'm 100% with you. Otherwise I have no idea what you're talking about.
I mean lee sin is well above the power curve
Ehh. High risk high reward. Still a worse version than udyr.
Also wouldn't it be better to try and have wukong bot with a babysitter 100% of the time like a carry? As soon as they fix his bugs he should have a lot of damage.
According to dyrus s1 shuts down at the end of the day, so if you're close to silver/gold/plat make a rush for it.Last edit: 2011-07-29 14:48:51 |
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 zalz Netherlands. July 29 2011 15:48. Posts 3291 | Profile Blog # |
| Nobody thinks Wukong is really strong? I had some Wukong constantly dashing in my face and stealthing away. Kinda impossible to harass properly and he pokes hard. |
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| cascades Singapore. July 29 2011 16:04. Posts 4413 | Profile Blog # |
| You can tell when he uses stealth. Don't use spells when he decoys. |
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| JackDino Gabon. July 29 2011 16:19. Posts 3296 | Profile # |
On July 29 2011 16:04 cascades wrote:
You can tell when he uses stealth. Don't use spells when he decoys.
So you randomly follow him not really sure where he will be going? He can just dash in your face and decoy away, you not using spells on his decoy doesn't change anything to it being free harass. |
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| 50caliber United States. July 29 2011 16:48. Posts 17 | Profile # |
On July 29 2011 14:03 Mogwai wrote:
hacker did nothing but lose tonight when I ran into him. his old build is awful on trynd, you gotta build like a tanky dps now IMO. best trynd I seen this patch when hog + avarice -> warmog's -> atma's and was almost as beastly as my jarmangz.
This was my suspicion (trynd turn into another tankydeepz) but the resident tanky deepz player confirms it. I suppose I can still build glass cannon though, not sure how his glass cannon build is now, I guess less emphasis on IE. I feel like his q change turned him into a Olaf v2.0
Ah, and I am a TL noob but I have been lurking the TL league section for quite a while. Nice to meet you all. |
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 TheYango United States. July 29 2011 16:56. Posts 16307 | Profile # |
On July 29 2011 16:19 JackDino wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 16:04 cascades wrote:
You can tell when he uses stealth. Don't use spells when he decoys.
So you randomly follow him not really sure where he will be going? He can just dash in your face and decoy away, you not using spells on his decoy doesn't change anything to it being free harass.
So he spends 50 mana solely for the purpose of disengaging from you?
He's going to run out of mana very quickly that way. |
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| JackDino Gabon. July 29 2011 17:22. Posts 3296 | Profile # |
On July 29 2011 16:56 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 16:19 JackDino wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:04 cascades wrote:
You can tell when he uses stealth. Don't use spells when he decoys.
So you randomly follow him not really sure where he will be going? He can just dash in your face and decoy away, you not using spells on his decoy doesn't change anything to it being free harass.
So he spends 50 mana solely for the purpose of disengaging from you? He's going to run out of mana very quickly that way.
Was mainly meant for the "don't hit his decoy with spells" response. That won't stop him from harassing. |
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| Odds Canada. July 29 2011 18:19. Posts 692 | Profile # |
ok so i just lost 4 games in a row with panth with the following things in common:
I went all flat AD runes, rushed last whisper
We had no support on team, last pick trolled with Yorick and shit
Got trolled by team whole game
Obviously last whisper bad, dont build on panth |
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| overt United States. July 29 2011 18:34. Posts 4156 | Profile Blog # |
I think this was discussed a bit on the last page and I don't know if new Tryndamere is good or not but holy shit his lane sustain is fucking annoying. Don't bother harassing him he'll just heal all of it back as soon as you're done. Don't bother ganking him once he's six, he'll just heal + ult + slow you + spin away.
I won the game I played against him and he got no kills at all so I'm not trying to bitch about it but god damn...new Tryndamere has so much lane sustain. I dunno if it's "super OP" or broken all I know for sure is that it's annoying as fuck. |
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| zalz Netherlands. July 29 2011 18:35. Posts 3291 | Profile Blog # |
On July 29 2011 16:56 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 16:19 JackDino wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:04 cascades wrote:
You can tell when he uses stealth. Don't use spells when he decoys.
So you randomly follow him not really sure where he will be going? He can just dash in your face and decoy away, you not using spells on his decoy doesn't change anything to it being free harass.
So he spends 50 mana solely for the purpose of disengaging from you? He's going to run out of mana very quickly that way.
Well this guy wasn't runnning out of mana.
And ofcourse you can notice when he goes stealth and ofcourse i don't unleash ulti's and ignites and flashes on the clone. The point just is you can't spot him and he's going to get away without taking any damage.
I don't know how he build but maybe he was maxing his dash atack first because it was just hitting me for a ton without mercy and i couldn't do shit against it because he was only targetable during the dash and me playing Kayle who deals most damage from E atacks it shifts the advantage to Wukong very fast.Last edit: 2011-07-29 18:45:00 |
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| JackDino Gabon. July 29 2011 18:37. Posts 3296 | Profile # |
On July 29 2011 18:19 Odds wrote:
ok so i just lost 4 games in a row with panth with the following things in common:
I went all flat AD runes, rushed last whisper
We had no support on team, last pick trolled with Yorick and shit
Got trolled by team whole game
Obviously last whisper bad, dont build on panth
Go all arp runes, get a bruta, some d-blades and a last whisper, actually check out the dyrus guide on solomid, it's pretty good. If you can go bot with like a taric you should be golden and be able to easily carry the game. |
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| Kenpachi United States. July 29 2011 19:05. Posts 9025 | Profile Blog # |
On July 29 2011 06:43 NSANE.hydra wrote:
does ezreal's Q range seems a lot longer to anyone else? or did it get buffed awhile ago, and i just haven't played enough recently to notice...
i believe its as long as TF's wildcards |
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| r33k Italy. July 29 2011 19:06. Posts 2462 | Profile Blog # |
| The problem I have with lane trynd is that he is basically a melee zilean. With no safe way to farm. His heal feels weak indeed if you're going for the old build, I'm still trying to figure something out but whenever I'm playing on my main I'll mainly go for what my team needs :/ |
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| cascades Singapore. July 29 2011 19:34. Posts 4413 | Profile Blog # |
On July 29 2011 18:35 zalz wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 16:56 TheYango wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:19 JackDino wrote:
On July 29 2011 16:04 cascades wrote:
You can tell when he uses stealth. Don't use spells when he decoys.
So you randomly follow him not really sure where he will be going? He can just dash in your face and decoy away, you not using spells on his decoy doesn't change anything to it being free harass.
So he spends 50 mana solely for the purpose of disengaging from you? He's going to run out of mana very quickly that way.
Well this guy wasn't runnning out of mana. And ofcourse you can notice when he goes stealth and ofcourse i don't unleash ulti's and ignites and flashes on the clone. The point just is you can't spot him and he's going to get away without taking any damage. I don't know how he build but maybe he was maxing his dash atack first because it was just hitting me for a ton without mercy and i couldn't do shit against it because he was only targetable during the dash and me playing Kayle who deals most damage from E atacks it shifts the advantage to Wukong very fast.
So he has maxed dash, this means only one level of W until level 7. Aka after stealth he has 18s where he cant stealth, and u can press QE and go to town on him. Another part of your problem was playing Kayle. Kayle is shit now. Last edit: 2011-07-29 19:35:56 |
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| Slayer91 Ireland. July 29 2011 22:13. Posts 8997 | Profile # |
On July 29 2011 14:14 r33k wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 14:03 Mogwai wrote:
On July 29 2011 13:55 r33k wrote:Wukong feels like a Lee Sin with less damage to me. As far as trynd goes I tried the old h4ckerv2 build and didn't do too shabby, but I really felt the need for a rageblade. I would really like a revamp of rice blade and kage's, something like what they did with philo so that you can hold onto them and lategame turn them into a big item. BTW: champion synergy guide by westrice.
hacker did nothing but lose tonight when I ran into him. his old build is awful on trynd, you gotta build like a tanky dps now IMO. best trynd I seen this patch when hog + avarice -> warmog's -> atma's and was almost as beastly as my jarmangz.
Now you got me pondering on how to rune him... It used to be so easy, straight forward all penetration... mmm penetration...
Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 14:04 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 29 2011 14:02 r33k wrote:
On July 29 2011 13:59 UniversalSnip wrote:
On July 29 2011 13:55 r33k wrote:
Wukong feels like a Lee Sin with less damage to me.
lee sin is pretty gross though.
If you mean the default skin I'm 100% with you. Otherwise I have no idea what you're talking about.
I mean lee sin is well above the power curve
Ehh. High risk high reward. Still a worse version than udyr. Also wouldn't it be better to try and have wukong bot with a babysitter 100% of the time like a carry? As soon as they fix his bugs he should have a lot of damage. According to dyrus s1 shuts down at the end of the day, so if you're close to silver/gold/plat make a rush for it.
How is lee sin a worse version of udyr? Lee sin is nothing like udyr. He has THREE spells that either move yourself or move other people around the map. Lategame lee sin is beast he can easily burst people down and get away with his W, peel teammates with w, dragons kick to CC a whole team with 2.0 scaling AD damage. Udyr is pretty average lategame he has no mobility which hurts a LOT when vayne like AD carries kill you in 4 seconds,
Lee sin feels more like a melee caster with his 5.0 AD scaling but still has decent sustained damage. Really strong but underplayed IMO. It's actually disgusting if you have a nocturne or akali on your team who you can just jump to with your W and then Q when he flashes and then rape their carry with 0 chance of peel/flashing away.Last edit: 2011-07-29 22:14:40 |
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| spinesheath Germany. July 29 2011 22:23. Posts 5184 | Profile Blog # |
Underplayed? Not in my elo bracket. Lee Sin is in roughly half my games, and it's not rare that it's allied Udyr vs enemy Lee Sin top. Typical outcome: Udyr gets raped, Lee Sin carries hard. That might just be my bad luck though; I can't remember having a nonterrible Udyr on my team ever since he got fotm.
Recently I've been considering changing my bans to Orianna + Lee Sin. Didn't get to ban a whole lot though so I never made a final decision... |
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