[WuKong Patch] General Discussion

no I don't know how a buff to mr and armor make him less powerful in 1v1 fights. it's still a persistent armor/mr buff vs 1 dude and I'm fairly certain that his decoy ability will let him escape 1v1 fights that he doesn't want to take. Champions like wukong suffer in team fights and are generally better 1v1 anyway so the passive is just really amazing..free items yes plz.

I wonder if wukongs ulti will proc red buff is that possible?

and to the dude confused phantom dancer was a dota hero with a spell called dopplewalk that was pretty similar to decoy..made a clone and stealthed the dancer but the ai in dota was programmed differently for the decoy.

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Craton United States. July 27 2011 05:03. Posts 10147

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On July 27 2011 04:57 drewcifer wrote:
I wonder if wukongs ulti will proc red buff is that possible?

I didn't hear anything about it applying on-hit affects, so I doubt it.

Wukong isn't enabled yet, but the cost is guaranteed to either be 4800 or 6300.

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gtrsrs United States. July 27 2011 05:07. Posts 4401

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On July 27 2011 04:52 Craton wrote:

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And I still run into the same tools I have on my ignore list every few days in solo Q (normals + ranked).

okay i'm sure your statement was tongue in cheek so i'm going to tread very lightly here but
what is your elo?
okay just looked it up it's 1600

at 1600 elo there are only ~6000 players better than you
and probably only ~4000 in the elo range you play at

so it's highly likely with 10 players per game that you run into the same players playing at the same times of day several times.

but you knew that right?

500,000 refers to all rankings and all normals at peak times. your games don't pull from a pool of 500k but rather a pool of ~4-5000 players

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TheYango United States. July 27 2011 05:22. Posts 15702

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On July 27 2011 04:57 drewcifer wrote:
and to the dude confused phantom dancer was a dota hero with a spell called dopplewalk that was pretty similar to decoy..made a clone and stealthed the dancer but the ai in dota was programmed differently for the decoy.

There was no special AI for Phantom Lancer clones. Seeing as DotA was just on the WC3 engine, you controlled them the way you control units in SC.

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rwrzr United States. July 27 2011 05:23. Posts 1155

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On July 27 2011 04:11 arnath wrote:
What do you mean "code wukong like phantom lancer"?

Sorry was as a comment on wukong's mechanic.

Phantom lancer in dota has a windwalk which spawns an image (controllable) which moves in the direction you were moving. A seamless transition between invisibility and the appearance of the image.

In the early versions whoever was working on the triggers for phantom lancer had a hard time making the skill work perfectly.

EDIT: lolz my reply was late

The only command given to PL's illusion was a short move command

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Ryuu314 United States. July 27 2011 05:26. Posts 5310

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On July 27 2011 05:22 TheYango wrote:

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There was no special AI for Phantom Lancer clones. Seeing as DotA was just on the WC3 engine, you controlled them the way you control units in SC.

The way the PL clone worked tho was it would "remember" the last command given to PL before the clone. So basically if you were at mid tower and right-clicked next to the second tower then used decoy, your clone would continue to move towards the second tower rather than stopping at the place of cast similar to how Wukong's clone works.

This was neat in that it helped juking a LOT better than Phreak's stupid "stop-juke" in that you could easily send your clone one direction and walk the opposite way, even without manually controlling the clone.

Cogito ergo doleo

drewcifer United States. July 27 2011 05:35. Posts 177

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On July 27 2011 05:22 TheYango wrote:

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There was no special AI for Phantom Lancer clones. Seeing as DotA was just on the WC3 engine, you controlled them the way you control units in SC.

... all I was doing was trying to clear up that guy's confusion and didn't get into any details on purpose. I didn't even say anything wrong...the ai for the dopplewalk in dota is different than the ai for decoy in lol. I never said phantom dancer had special ai, even though it kind of did.

Ryuu pointed out that there were cool little tricks you could do with phantom dancer unique to only him. I liked it better than wukong as well because you could use it while running and the clone would run in the exact direction you were when you used it so it looked like same phantom. I'm pretty sure there was some subtle way of knowing that he used it within the second he does but i cant remember.

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nyxnyxnyx Indonesia. July 27 2011 05:38. Posts 1150

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if u targetted pl previously you lose targetting
if you were attempting to cast a targetted spell you would lose targetting

ez stuff

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Juicyfruit Canada. July 27 2011 05:41. Posts 3477

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Phreak's stop juking just sounds like a pretty bad idea.

#1 thing to do while trying to escape is to stop and do nothing, obviously.

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rwrzr United States. July 27 2011 05:58. Posts 1155

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On July 27 2011 05:41 Juicyfruit wrote:
Phreak's stop juking just sounds like a pretty bad idea.

#1 thing to do while trying to escape is to stop and do nothing, obviously.

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Mogwai United States. July 27 2011 06:01. Posts 8012

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haha, haven't seen that one in awhile.

it's still funny.

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StuffedTurkey United States. July 27 2011 06:22. Posts 540

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On July 27 2011 05:41 Juicyfruit wrote:
Phreak's stop juking just sounds like a pretty bad idea.

#1 thing to do while trying to escape is to stop and do nothing, obviously.

completely depends on the situation, there are times it would be asinine, other times (if theyre already caught up to you and have a permaslow lololGP) that the stop juke may be useful

Edit: though of course you cant take any buffs on him or else your clone is worthlessly obvious that it isnt real

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[Agony]x90 United States. July 27 2011 06:27. Posts 747

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On July 27 2011 05:22 TheYango wrote:

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There was no special AI for Phantom Lancer clones. Seeing as DotA was just on the WC3 engine, you controlled them the way you control units in SC.

He might mean the AI where the clone will continue the action set by the player. If you say, move here, and then hit the clone mid way, the clone will go to that location, as will you.

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Two_DoWn United States. July 27 2011 06:39. Posts 7269

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Saint destroying the trynd remake on his stream. Have to agree, he looks VERY unimpressive.

I just dont get it. Most top players, or anyone with a brain can play a character once and tell if he is any good. Maybe you miss an item build, but you can generally tell if the kit has any sort of cohesion. Does riot just never play these remakes out?

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Ryuu314 United States. July 27 2011 06:42. Posts 5310

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On July 27 2011 06:39 Two_DoWn wrote:
Saint destroying the trynd remake on his stream. Have to agree, he looks VERY unimpressive.

to be fair, he's building pure aspd...

Cogito ergo doleo

Two_DoWn United States. July 27 2011 06:45. Posts 7269

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On July 27 2011 06:42 Ryuu314 wrote:

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to be fair, he's building pure aspd...

He gets crit by having fury. And he builds fury very slowly without aspeed. And the only REAL way to get crit is to crit, which you need crit chance for, which you get buy building pd. Which has aspeed. Plus there is a jax, so he needs the no dodge blade.

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Two_DoWn United States. July 27 2011 06:46. Posts 7269

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And btw smash, your gonna love this.

Pants has a new skin.

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Ryuu314 United States. July 27 2011 06:50. Posts 5310

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On July 27 2011 06:45 Two_DoWn wrote:

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Makes sense, but rushing PD was never a good idea on any champ.

I think laning tryn with a gunblade rush or something would probably be stronger and more efficient. Takes advantage of the 1:1 AP and AD ratios on E, along with the crazy sustain from his Q.

AAAaaaand he just beat a Jax 1v1 rofl

Monkey is out!

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TheYango United States. July 27 2011 06:51. Posts 15702

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On July 27 2011 06:45 Two_DoWn wrote:

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The time when he needs aspd most is in early jungle so he'll rune for it, which is 20-40%. Zerks are probably the most sensible boots either way so that's another 25%, so he's not hurting for aspd with 45%-65% aspd after runes. Because of how fury drains gradually, you'll generally have about 30% natural crit, meaning that the most sensible stats to buy are crit damage and AD (i.e. IE).

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