Keep any SC2 vs BW comments out of this thread. This is a thread about Brood War and Esports (Tekken Crash, Special Forces, etc) in general. If you discuss what this means for ESPORTS be sensitive about it.
| Mannerheim July 27 2011 19:35. Posts 606 | Profile # |
On July 27 2011 19:28 Greg_J wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 19:22 Mannerheim wrote:
I'm not quite sure why SC2 people are acting like this doesn't affect us at all. The TV channels were the only chance for SC2 to become as mainstream in Korea as BW was. Now that possibility is dying.
Indeed. It seems to be assumed by a lot of SC2 fans that SC2 will replace Broodwar. But if the infastructure of Broodwar starts to shut down and theres still no sign of SC2 starting its own infastructure it seems more likely to me that everything will just slowly die out. Do remeber that the GSL still isn't even on Korean TV properlly, its just an internet site filming out of a spare room in a public school right on the outskirts of Seoul. In order for SC2 to make it big it was kindave assumed it would eventually work its way on to MBC Game and OGN.
Agreed 100%. GSL boasts a nice prize pool, but it's a really small fish when it comes to sponsorship and advertising revenue, public recognition etc. Without the proper infrastructure, SC2 will be just another video game, nothing like the cultural phenomenon BW was.Last edit: 2011-07-27 19:36:16 |
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| Aetherial Australia. July 27 2011 19:35. Posts 907 | Profile # |
| I had a terrible day at work today, I come and read this... *sigh* not a good day. |
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| o[twist] United States. July 27 2011 19:37. Posts 4903 | Profile # |
| wow. normally starting the day with starcraft makes it better, not worse. this is just really sad. |
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| XsebT Denmark. July 27 2011 19:37. Posts 2831 | Profile Blog # |
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| Ribbon United States. July 27 2011 19:38. Posts 5020 | Profile Blog # |
On July 27 2011 19:33 Spica wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 19:28 Greg_J wrote:
On July 27 2011 19:22 Mannerheim wrote:
I'm not quite sure why SC2 people are acting like this doesn't affect us at all. The TV channels were the only chance for SC2 to become as mainstream in Korea as BW was. Now that possibility is dying.
Indeed. It seems to be assumed by a lot of SC2 fans that SC2 will replace Broodwar. But if the infastructure of Broodwar starts to shut down and theres still no sign of SC2 starting its own infastructure it seems more likely to me that everything will just slowly die out. Do remeber that the GSL still isn't even on Korean TV properlly, its just an internet site filming out of a spare room in a public school right on the outskirts of Seoul. In order for SC2 to make it big it was kindave assumed it would eventually work its way on to MBC Game and OGN.
Wowww I didn't know that. Yes, if MBCGame "dies", then it will also affect the SC2 scene in Korea. Definitely a bad move for both BW and SC2 then.
GSL is actually broadcast on Anibox, which is becoming a gaming channel, which is why people are saying Anibox might take up BW now.
But yes, this is bad for both games. |
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| Necosarius Sweden. July 27 2011 19:40. Posts 3485 | Profile Blog # |
| Fucking worst news ever |
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| Ciryandor United States. July 27 2011 19:41. Posts 3167 | Profile Blog # |
| IMHO, we need to give MBC and OGN the financial incentive to keep on broadcasting BW games; that's really the only way they can keep on broadcasting games if they see that their audience share for them is correspondingly flat. Provide them options to actually get some benefit out of us. There's no way we can keep on watching BW forever without eventually having to directly support them with advertising revenue. I want MBC to keep on broadcasting BW, but we have to show that they have an audience outside of Korea that also cares as much as those within the country so they can reconsider! |
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| Lizarb Denmark. July 27 2011 19:42. Posts 252 | Profile # |
TV RIP.
Streaming/vod internet "TV" live long \o/. |
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| PineappleLumpsToss New Zealand. July 27 2011 19:43. Posts 2281 | Profile # |
Sad on so many levels. Ruined my week
Just when I thought things were starting to pick up for BW with the Bliz resolution. I feel for the MBC PL team fans especially.
I'm just sitting in here at my PC in shock. What can you say?
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| Greg_J England. July 27 2011 19:43. Posts 645 | Profile Blog # |
On July 27 2011 19:38 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 19:33 Spica wrote:
On July 27 2011 19:28 Greg_J wrote:
On July 27 2011 19:22 Mannerheim wrote:
I'm not quite sure why SC2 people are acting like this doesn't affect us at all. The TV channels were the only chance for SC2 to become as mainstream in Korea as BW was. Now that possibility is dying.
Indeed. It seems to be assumed by a lot of SC2 fans that SC2 will replace Broodwar. But if the infastructure of Broodwar starts to shut down and theres still no sign of SC2 starting its own infastructure it seems more likely to me that everything will just slowly die out. Do remeber that the GSL still isn't even on Korean TV properlly, its just an internet site filming out of a spare room in a public school right on the outskirts of Seoul. In order for SC2 to make it big it was kindave assumed it would eventually work its way on to MBC Game and OGN.
Wowww I didn't know that. Yes, if MBCGame "dies", then it will also affect the SC2 scene in Korea. Definitely a bad move for both BW and SC2 then.
GSL is actually broadcast on Anibox, which is becoming a gaming channel, which is why people are saying Anibox might take up BW now. But yes, this is bad for both games.
Wow didn't know that, and we go full circle hey. What channels anibox? do I get it? why don't I get it dam, dam and dam. |
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 Kipsate Netherlands. July 27 2011 19:44. Posts 18080 | Profile Blog # |
On July 27 2011 19:43 Greg_J wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 27 2011 19:38 Ribbon wrote:
On July 27 2011 19:33 Spica wrote:
On July 27 2011 19:28 Greg_J wrote:
On July 27 2011 19:22 Mannerheim wrote:
I'm not quite sure why SC2 people are acting like this doesn't affect us at all. The TV channels were the only chance for SC2 to become as mainstream in Korea as BW was. Now that possibility is dying.
Indeed. It seems to be assumed by a lot of SC2 fans that SC2 will replace Broodwar. But if the infastructure of Broodwar starts to shut down and theres still no sign of SC2 starting its own infastructure it seems more likely to me that everything will just slowly die out. Do remeber that the GSL still isn't even on Korean TV properlly, its just an internet site filming out of a spare room in a public school right on the outskirts of Seoul. In order for SC2 to make it big it was kindave assumed it would eventually work its way on to MBC Game and OGN.
Wowww I didn't know that. Yes, if MBCGame "dies", then it will also affect the SC2 scene in Korea. Definitely a bad move for both BW and SC2 then.
GSL is actually broadcast on Anibox, which is becoming a gaming channel, which is why people are saying Anibox might take up BW now. But yes, this is bad for both games.
Wow didn't know that, and we go full circle hey. What channels anibox? do I get it? why don't I get it dam, dam and dam.
anibox is payed I think isnt it?
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| Too_MuchZerg Finland. July 27 2011 19:44. Posts 2728 | Profile Blog # |
| At least now players dont need to answer what is their goal when playing MSL as you cant get seed anymore (unless Ongamenet decides to make minor league below OSL) |
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| Count9 China. July 27 2011 19:45. Posts 3691 | Profile Blog # |
| Not surprised, they've been having trouble with finances and getting sponsors for a while now =( Very sad. |
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| prosatan Romania. July 27 2011 19:45. Posts 2636 | Profile # |
sad....
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| jorge_the_awesome United States. July 27 2011 19:45. Posts 461 | Profile # |
Guys lets organize TL to petition GOM (or somebody else, but GOM already has the infrastructure and experience to broadcast esports) to grab the MSL. I started playing sc2 and had just started watching BW events. (like the last MSL).
I'm just curious-what does OGN broadcast when not broadcasting the OSL/PL? Is there time for another league? i.e. 2 bw leagues?
I heard that they did the WCG sc2 preliminaries.
+ Show Spoiler +Without meaning to offend anyone or violate the mod notes-(mod please PM me if I should remove this) + Show Spoiler +Imagine OGN and GOM each broadcasting 1 bw league and 1 sc2 league for 4 leagues total! (Or maybe OSL+ASL for BW and ASL/OSL + GSL for sc2) Last edit: 2011-07-27 19:47:32 |
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| Magrath Canada. July 27 2011 19:46. Posts 285 | Profile # | |
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| obsKura Germany. July 27 2011 19:48. Posts 1035 | Profile # |
Sad news.
Hm, do you guys also see a trend that SC goes back to the internet and backs away from TV? If this is the case maybe it might even be good for SC as the internet offers so much more options to build a community around the game and provide professional players with additonal sources to earn money (coaching, streaming...).
If I remember correctly a few weeks ago in one of the bigger shows (OMG.tv or SotG) somebody alread discussed that maybe SC/eSports does not need the TV to be successful or "mainstream". |
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 Spica United States. July 27 2011 19:49. Posts 5578 | Profile # |
On July 27 2011 19:45 jorge_the_awesome wrote:Guys lets organize TL to petition GOM (or somebody else, but GOM already has the infrastructure and experience to broadcast esports) to grab the MSL. I started playing sc2 and had just started watching BW events. (like the last MSL). I'm just curious-what does OGN broadcast when not broadcasting the OSL/PL? Is there time for another league? i.e. 2 bw leagues? I heard that they did the WCG sc2 preliminaries. + Show Spoiler +Without meaning to offend anyone or violate the mod notes-(mod please PM me if I should remove this) + Show Spoiler +Imagine OGN and GOM each broadcasting 1 bw league and 1 sc2 league for 4 leagues total! (Or maybe OSL+ASL for BW and ASL/OSL + GSL for sc2)
OGN broadcasts other game programs such as Special Forces and Tekken, I think. They're a game channel, so they broadcast various different games.Last edit: 2011-07-27 20:20:11 |
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| Greg_J England. July 27 2011 19:52. Posts 645 | Profile Blog # |
On July 27 2011 19:45 jorge_the_awesome wrote:Guys lets organize TL to petition GOM (or somebody else, but GOM already has the infrastructure and experience to broadcast esports) to grab the MSL. I started playing sc2 and had just started watching BW events. (like the last MSL). I'm just curious-what does OGN broadcast when not broadcasting the OSL/PL? Is there time for another league? i.e. 2 bw leagues? I heard that they did the WCG sc2 preliminaries. + Show Spoiler +Without meaning to offend anyone or violate the mod notes-(mod please PM me if I should remove this) + Show Spoiler +Imagine OGN and GOM each broadcasting 1 bw league and 1 sc2 league for 4 leagues total! (Or maybe OSL+ASL for BW and ASL/OSL + GSL for sc2)
OGN has loads of game leagues, kartrider sudden attack various other ones, also has lots of game review shows and a show that seems to consists of a random celebrity playing threw random games and seeing how long it takes them (not very exciting). Oh they also have WWE wrestling for some reason. Guessing there’s gonna be a big WWE games promotion soon but they first need to show Koreans what wrestling is before they push the wrestling games.
I don't get MBC Game so I don't know how they compare. |
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| Mannerheim July 27 2011 19:53. Posts 606 | Profile # |
On July 27 2011 19:48 obsKura wrote:Sad news. Hm, do you guys also see a trend that SC goes back to the internet and backs away from TV? If this is the case maybe it might even be good for SC as the internet offers so much more options to build a community around the game and provide professional players with additonal sources to earn money (coaching, streaming...). If I remember correctly a few weeks ago in one of the bigger shows (OMG.tv or SotG) somebody alread discussed that maybe SC/eSports does not need the TV to be successful or "mainstream".
Online streaming technology will still need several years to be become a stable, "complete" product like TV is. There are still a lot of glitches, uncertainties and problems of scale, it's not going to replace TV any time soon.Last edit: 2011-07-27 19:53:36 |
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