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| Leporello United States. July 30 2011 15:33. Posts 1652 | Profile # |
On July 30 2011 15:24 PanzerKing wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 15:18 Leporello wrote:
On July 30 2011 14:50 PanzerKing wrote:
On July 30 2011 14:38 Leporello wrote:
Every time this happens people try to parse a fine line for a defense. I'm sorry, but it's common sense to note when someone has been beaten literally to death. Maybe the guy was dangerous at a point. But past that point, these cops killed him, beating him repeatedly while his face was looking at nothing but pavement. You aren't resisting arrest when you're being slowly beaten into a coma, you're just being slowly beaten into a coma.
But, hey, he was "resisting arrest", and we all know that once you say "No" to a police officer, you basically lose your status as a human being and are just a dog with rabies.
Don't be overdramatic. You have no idea how hard cops have it. When you've had people shoot at you, cut at you with knives, spit HIV-positive blood at your face, when you've had people smear their shit and semen all over themselves and dare you to arrest them, when you have them wipe their bodily fluids all over the inside of your patrol car or hurl them at you, when you have people conceal dirty needles inside their bodily orifices and force you to do a cavity search on them, then you'll start to understand what cops have to go through on a daily basis. So don't disrespect an entire profession because of a single incident, especially when you don't know what happened. The local District Attorney's office will investigate and prosecute the officers if necessary; until then, keep your vitriol to yourself.
Please. My "vitriol" is well deserved, seeing as a man was beaten to death. Sorry if it strikes at you, but I don't regret it for a second. It isn't just "meanness" that drives cops to beat people to death, it's their own false sense of entitlement and authority. That is an institutional problem. You're actually being more dramatic than I am. Most cops don't do any of those things you mentioned, ever. Their job has stress and danger, sure, but it isn't a "hell on earth" to be a patrol officer, and it hardly justifies homicidal behavior. Nice argument.
You can conflate my post with 'justification' all you want (it's not a justification in the slightest), but it doesn't change the fact that you blindly, ignorantly bashed on an entire profession which actually DOES face those kinds of risks every single day. And no, cops don't have an institutional 'problem' any more than any other profession. I'm very interested to hear what you're basing that on, since as far as I can tell it's something that you've pulled out of your rectum. Unless you have some statistical or other evidence with which to support that claim?
Those officers likely face none of the risks you mentioned. And certainly not on a "daily basis". Urban police can have it pretty rough.
But so what? So I'm not allowed to criticize them or insult them, even as a whole, because some of them have a risky job? I'm sorry, but police in this country are very corrupt and very abusive. You don't think there are any problems with the institution as a whole? Whatsoever? Gee, maybe you are a cop.
Cops deserve to be insulted when things like this happen. Don't beat people senselessly, and you won't get insults. Really simple. You talk about how mentally tough a police officer has to be, and you whine at me to show respect towards them. We have the worst crime rates in the world, police brutality, and on top of that, you're asking me not to hurt their feelings.
Respect is earned, not given.
Maybe you should just be happy that you're reading insults on the internet. Rodney King and the L.A. riots comes to a mind as another alternative to these kinds of things. Society has gotten a little docile since then, don't you think?
I've met plenty of cops I like and I come from a military family that has given more than most. I don't disregard servicemen. But most cops.... meh. And the cops we're talking about in this thread? They're worse than criminals. Far worse. You should hate them more than anyone, if defending the honor of police everywhere interests you so much.
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| emPER12 July 30 2011 15:42. Posts 57 | Profile # | |
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| exShikari Australia. July 30 2011 15:44. Posts 237 | Profile # |
| Isn't this kind of thing pretty run of the mill in the US? Just from what we see in the news over here it seems pretty common place. |
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| LaLLsc2 United States. July 30 2011 15:44. Posts 502 | Profile # |
| I don't see how any person could argue this level of criticism is not necessary. It's not like a police officer doesn't know the risks of going into the department are. The benefits are a stable job and an incredible pension plan. Thats two more advantages than the private sector gets in today's economy. |
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 arbitrageur Australia. July 30 2011 15:47. Posts 1199 | Profile # |
On July 30 2011 15:33 Leporello wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 15:24 PanzerKing wrote:
On July 30 2011 15:18 Leporello wrote:
On July 30 2011 14:50 PanzerKing wrote:
On July 30 2011 14:38 Leporello wrote:
Every time this happens people try to parse a fine line for a defense. I'm sorry, but it's common sense to note when someone has been beaten literally to death. Maybe the guy was dangerous at a point. But past that point, these cops killed him, beating him repeatedly while his face was looking at nothing but pavement. You aren't resisting arrest when you're being slowly beaten into a coma, you're just being slowly beaten into a coma.
But, hey, he was "resisting arrest", and we all know that once you say "No" to a police officer, you basically lose your status as a human being and are just a dog with rabies.
Don't be overdramatic. You have no idea how hard cops have it. When you've had people shoot at you, cut at you with knives, spit HIV-positive blood at your face, when you've had people smear their shit and semen all over themselves and dare you to arrest them, when you have them wipe their bodily fluids all over the inside of your patrol car or hurl them at you, when you have people conceal dirty needles inside their bodily orifices and force you to do a cavity search on them, then you'll start to understand what cops have to go through on a daily basis. So don't disrespect an entire profession because of a single incident, especially when you don't know what happened. The local District Attorney's office will investigate and prosecute the officers if necessary; until then, keep your vitriol to yourself.
Please. My "vitriol" is well deserved, seeing as a man was beaten to death. Sorry if it strikes at you, but I don't regret it for a second. It isn't just "meanness" that drives cops to beat people to death, it's their own false sense of entitlement and authority. That is an institutional problem. You're actually being more dramatic than I am. Most cops don't do any of those things you mentioned, ever. Their job has stress and danger, sure, but it isn't a "hell on earth" to be a patrol officer, and it hardly justifies homicidal behavior. Nice argument.
You can conflate my post with 'justification' all you want (it's not a justification in the slightest), but it doesn't change the fact that you blindly, ignorantly bashed on an entire profession which actually DOES face those kinds of risks every single day. And no, cops don't have an institutional 'problem' any more than any other profession. I'm very interested to hear what you're basing that on, since as far as I can tell it's something that you've pulled out of your rectum. Unless you have some statistical or other evidence with which to support that claim?
Cops deserve to be insulted when things like this happen. Don't beat people senselessly, and you won't get insults. Really simple.
Who is the population of "Cops" that you're referring to in this statement?
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| ghanti China. July 30 2011 15:50. Posts 10 | Profile # |
| Excessive use of violence by the police is sickerning. I wonfder what theur official statement is |
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| PanzerKing United States. July 30 2011 15:50. Posts 445 | Profile # |
On July 30 2011 15:44 LaLLsc2 wrote:
I don't see how any person could argue this level of criticism is not necessary. It's not like a police officer doesn't know the risks of going into the department are. The benefits are a stable job and an incredible pension plan. Thats two more advantages than the private sector gets in today's economy.
I get both of those by working for the City. On the bright side, I get to sit inside of an air-conditioned office or an air-conditioned courtroom instead of having to do verticals in a bed-stuy project with piss, broken crack vials and used condoms all over the floor.
That said, I personally believe that excessive force is more common in suburban and rural communities where officers don't have as much experience in dealing with resistance and where their training in dealing with resisting subjects may be inadequate or nonexistant. In the City, excessive force does happen (millions of people makes it an inevitability) but I don't know of anyone in law enforcement who considers it an endemic problem by any measure. |
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| PanzerKing United States. July 30 2011 15:52. Posts 445 | Profile # |
On July 30 2011 15:50 ghanti wrote:
Excessive use of violence by the police is sickerning. I wonfder what theur official statement is
The official statement is in the OP. The Department will almost always support its officers. You should be more interested in statements made by the District Attorney's office. They will make a fair and impartial determination on which officers, if any, are going to face criminal charges. |
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| Silentness United States. July 30 2011 15:57. Posts 2379 | Profile Blog # |
I swear... this is why I don't argue with police at all. I just shut up and do as I'm told... then again I've been involved with only military police several times not civilian police.
I need to stop getting in fights 
On topic: There seriously needs to be better training on excessive force when a police officer handles a situation, because this is getting out of hand. If not better training, more stricter police officer recruiting. |
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| Leporello United States. July 30 2011 15:59. Posts 1652 | Profile # |
On July 30 2011 15:47 arbitrageur wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 15:33 Leporello wrote:
On July 30 2011 15:24 PanzerKing wrote:
On July 30 2011 15:18 Leporello wrote:
On July 30 2011 14:50 PanzerKing wrote:
On July 30 2011 14:38 Leporello wrote:
Every time this happens people try to parse a fine line for a defense. I'm sorry, but it's common sense to note when someone has been beaten literally to death. Maybe the guy was dangerous at a point. But past that point, these cops killed him, beating him repeatedly while his face was looking at nothing but pavement. You aren't resisting arrest when you're being slowly beaten into a coma, you're just being slowly beaten into a coma.
But, hey, he was "resisting arrest", and we all know that once you say "No" to a police officer, you basically lose your status as a human being and are just a dog with rabies.
Don't be overdramatic. You have no idea how hard cops have it. When you've had people shoot at you, cut at you with knives, spit HIV-positive blood at your face, when you've had people smear their shit and semen all over themselves and dare you to arrest them, when you have them wipe their bodily fluids all over the inside of your patrol car or hurl them at you, when you have people conceal dirty needles inside their bodily orifices and force you to do a cavity search on them, then you'll start to understand what cops have to go through on a daily basis. So don't disrespect an entire profession because of a single incident, especially when you don't know what happened. The local District Attorney's office will investigate and prosecute the officers if necessary; until then, keep your vitriol to yourself.
Please. My "vitriol" is well deserved, seeing as a man was beaten to death. Sorry if it strikes at you, but I don't regret it for a second. It isn't just "meanness" that drives cops to beat people to death, it's their own false sense of entitlement and authority. That is an institutional problem. You're actually being more dramatic than I am. Most cops don't do any of those things you mentioned, ever. Their job has stress and danger, sure, but it isn't a "hell on earth" to be a patrol officer, and it hardly justifies homicidal behavior. Nice argument.
You can conflate my post with 'justification' all you want (it's not a justification in the slightest), but it doesn't change the fact that you blindly, ignorantly bashed on an entire profession which actually DOES face those kinds of risks every single day. And no, cops don't have an institutional 'problem' any more than any other profession. I'm very interested to hear what you're basing that on, since as far as I can tell it's something that you've pulled out of your rectum. Unless you have some statistical or other evidence with which to support that claim?
Cops deserve to be insulted when things like this happen. Don't beat people senselessly, and you won't get insults. Really simple.
Who is the population of "Cops" that you're referring to in this statement?
All of them. We've been seeing police beatings for decades, and the real problem isn't just the beatings, it's the aftermath. It's the fact that this police department claimed the officers suffered injuries of broken bones, when we later learn they were actually just bruises. It's the department always looking after its own, and keeping status quo. The way people get bothered by my rather banal insult is somewhat representative to me of the problem as a whole. They're just imperceptible to the fact that they might be bad at their jobs.
I've said my opinion in previous posts and I'm done with it. Time to watch GSL. I've met cops that are very friendly and respectable people, and I've met the other kind. It may be that most cops would never do something like this. But the institution as a whole has been long in need of real change, and they stubbornly refuse. Being a cop is about mental toughness, and that entails showing people a basic level of respect, even when they show no respect for you at all. Failures like these are the worst kind and they happen constantly. I live in Chicago where a kid dies everyday from a gunshot wound, so I know their job is tough, but they still actually really, really suck at it.
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| zz_ Sweden. July 30 2011 16:07. Posts 658 | Profile # |
| And I am reminded, on this holy day, of the sad story of Kelly Thomas. As you all may remember, a long time ago, almost thirty years ago, this poor soul cried out for help time and time again, but no person answered his calls. Though many saw, no one so much as called the police. They all just watched as Kelly was being beaten to death in the open. They watched as his assailant walked away. Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men. |
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| PanzerKing United States. July 30 2011 16:09. Posts 445 | Profile # |
| I have to concede that further discussion here is pointless. There's a dozen people claiming that police brutality is "constant", an "increasing problem" or even indicative of general "corruption", and nobody is willing or able to produce a shred of meaningful evidence to support that claim. You can't argue with that kind of blind conviction. |
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| Trizz Netherlands. July 30 2011 16:13. Posts 1147 | Profile # |
| This keeps happening, but I never hear the punishment for the cops? |
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| PanzerKing United States. July 30 2011 16:15. Posts 445 | Profile # |
On July 30 2011 16:07 zz_ wrote:
And I am reminded, on this holy day, of the sad story of Kelly Thomas. As you all may remember, a long time ago, almost thirty years ago, this poor soul cried out for help time and time again, but no person answered his calls. Though many saw, no one so much as called the police. They all just watched as Kelly was being beaten to death in the open. They watched as his assailant walked away. Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.
If you think that the cops are using excessive force on someone, intervening is probably the worst possible thing you could do. Either they're making a lawful arrest and you're now guilty of OGA, or they're actually using excessive force and they'll possibly do the same thing to you. If they're using excessive force, the criminal justice system will handle it. Do not ever physically attempt to stop an officer from effectuating an arrest. |
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| PanzerKing United States. July 30 2011 16:17. Posts 445 | Profile # |
On July 30 2011 16:13 Trizz wrote:
This keeps happening, but I never hear the punishment for the cops?
Sometimes the cops aren't guilty, so they're not punished. Other times, like in the Michael Mineo case, they're probably guilty but they get acquitted at trial. And other times, they're guilty and they are punished accordingly. People who start threads like this one tend to be more concerned with making a political or philosophical point than seriously engaging in discussion on a given topic, so you don't hear about those incidents. |
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| LaLLsc2 United States. July 30 2011 16:17. Posts 502 | Profile # |
On July 30 2011 16:09 PanzerKing wrote:
I have to concede that further discussion here is pointless. There's a dozen people claiming that police brutality is "constant", an "increasing problem" or even indicative of general "corruption", and nobody is willing or able to produce a shred of meaningful evidence to support that claim. You can't argue with that kind of blind conviction.
You're the one posting in this thread. Kelly Thomas remember him? |
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| nitram Canada. July 30 2011 16:18. Posts 5167 | Profile Blog # |
On July 30 2011 16:09 PanzerKing wrote:
I have to concede that further discussion here is pointless. There's a dozen people claiming that police brutality is "constant", an "increasing problem" or even indicative of general "corruption", and nobody is willing or able to produce a shred of meaningful evidence to support that claim. You can't argue with that kind of blind conviction.
Many people have witnessed police brutality and are stating their opinions based on real life observations. Observations that usually don't get recorded. If discussion here is pointless, move on instead of posting something meaningless. |
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| PanzerKing United States. July 30 2011 16:19. Posts 445 | Profile # |
On July 30 2011 16:17 LaLLsc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 16:09 PanzerKing wrote:
I have to concede that further discussion here is pointless. There's a dozen people claiming that police brutality is "constant", an "increasing problem" or even indicative of general "corruption", and nobody is willing or able to produce a shred of meaningful evidence to support that claim. You can't argue with that kind of blind conviction.
You're the one posting in this thread. Kelly Thomas remember him?
How you can point to a single incident as evidence of a pattern completely escapes the bounds of reason and logic. |
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| nGBeast United States. July 30 2011 16:19. Posts 811 | Profile # |
| Thats some sick fucking shit, I don't like in CA and I'm still going to call them in the morning. |
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| nitram Canada. July 30 2011 16:20. Posts 5167 | Profile Blog # |
On July 30 2011 16:19 PanzerKing wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 30 2011 16:17 LaLLsc2 wrote:
On July 30 2011 16:09 PanzerKing wrote:
I have to concede that further discussion here is pointless. There's a dozen people claiming that police brutality is "constant", an "increasing problem" or even indicative of general "corruption", and nobody is willing or able to produce a shred of meaningful evidence to support that claim. You can't argue with that kind of blind conviction.
You're the one posting in this thread. Kelly Thomas remember him?
How you can point to a single incident as evidence of a pattern completely escapes the bounds of reason and logic.
Do you want someone to dig up a whole list for you? |
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