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| Cosmology Canada. April 03 2012 22:31. Posts 336 | Profile # |
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| Dhul Finland. April 03 2012 23:34. Posts 52 | Profile # |
On April 02 2012 09:59 Rorschach wrote:
Watching Grubby stream yesterday and saw a very cool Gateway/FFE into 4 gate zealot pressure (pvz).
He dropped his initial pylon in his main and followed with a 12/13 gate.
He then took his expo, second pylon and forge (I can't remember the exact order which is frustrating!).
He was able to get up gas for WG and a faster core (with the gateway being done so early).
It allowed him to hit at 6:30-7:00 with 4 warped in zealots at the zergs fast third.
It was a very impressive build on account that it hit the same time as a pvp 4gate BUT he also had a forge+cannon expo up.
I can't remember if he had +1 but I don't think he did.
Didn't kill the third but forced a LOT of lings (on account of the roach warren being down at the normal time for a fast three base zerg)
I can't find the vod and wondered if anyone had seen or heard of something like this?
It was so much nicer than the normal 4 gate pressure after expand at 7:30-8:00 when zergs typically have the roaches to shut you down.
 Gate Nexus YufFE I think you are talking about this build |
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| zarcel Poland. April 04 2012 01:09. Posts 7 | Profile # |
Simple questions from me:
What did I do wrong and is it possible to defend at this stage of the game?
Some facts:
I was aware of the push and his tech. I have targeted tanks.
http://drop.sc/151042 |
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| PetrBlaha Czech Republic. April 04 2012 01:13. Posts 426 | Profile # |
On April 03 2012 23:34 Dhul wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 02 2012 09:59 Rorschach wrote:
Watching Grubby stream yesterday and saw a very cool Gateway/FFE into 4 gate zealot pressure (pvz).
He dropped his initial pylon in his main and followed with a 12/13 gate.
He then took his expo, second pylon and forge (I can't remember the exact order which is frustrating!).
He was able to get up gas for WG and a faster core (with the gateway being done so early).
It allowed him to hit at 6:30-7:00 with 4 warped in zealots at the zergs fast third.
It was a very impressive build on account that it hit the same time as a pvp 4gate BUT he also had a forge+cannon expo up.
I can't remember if he had +1 but I don't think he did.
Didn't kill the third but forced a LOT of lings (on account of the roach warren being down at the normal time for a fast three base zerg)
I can't find the vod and wondered if anyone had seen or heard of something like this?
It was so much nicer than the normal 4 gate pressure after expand at 7:30-8:00 when zergs typically have the roaches to shut you down.
I think you are talking about this build
Or this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315275
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| SkyBlaze Canada. April 04 2012 01:19. Posts 163 | Profile # |
On April 04 2012 01:13 PetrBlaha wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 23:34 Dhul wrote:
On April 02 2012 09:59 Rorschach wrote:
Watching Grubby stream yesterday and saw a very cool Gateway/FFE into 4 gate zealot pressure (pvz).
He dropped his initial pylon in his main and followed with a 12/13 gate.
He then took his expo, second pylon and forge (I can't remember the exact order which is frustrating!).
He was able to get up gas for WG and a faster core (with the gateway being done so early).
It allowed him to hit at 6:30-7:00 with 4 warped in zealots at the zergs fast third.
It was a very impressive build on account that it hit the same time as a pvp 4gate BUT he also had a forge+cannon expo up.
I can't remember if he had +1 but I don't think he did.
Didn't kill the third but forced a LOT of lings (on account of the roach warren being down at the normal time for a fast three base zerg)
I can't find the vod and wondered if anyone had seen or heard of something like this?
It was so much nicer than the normal 4 gate pressure after expand at 7:30-8:00 when zergs typically have the roaches to shut you down.
Gate Nexus YufFE I think you are talking about this build
Or this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315275
Those two builds are the same just one has minor adjustments to it to make it more macro orientated. Even the the thread starter states this in the first post. The other things he mention are just the fellow ups to the build opening. |
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| aZealot New Zealand. April 04 2012 05:22. Posts 1596 | Profile # | |
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| SkyBlaze Canada. April 04 2012 06:11. Posts 163 | Profile # |
On April 04 2012 01:09 zarcel wrote:Simple questions from me: What did I do wrong and is it possible to defend at this stage of the game? Some facts: I was aware of the push and his tech. I have targeted tanks. http://drop.sc/151042
put more effort or no one will help you, or even watch that replay. please fellow the rules next time and I might help you. =D
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113479
Rules still apply when asking questions or asking ppl to review your replay.
unless it's a simple question about atk timings/tech timings.Last edit: 2012-04-04 06:13:51 |
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| Sated England. April 05 2012 02:33. Posts 3725 | Profile Blog # |
What is the latest timing for Zerg to take a fast third expansion against a FFE? I want to work out at what point I should dedicate myself to a +1 4gate Zealot build. Also, if I see that they're not taking a fast third and are getting Spine Crawlers, should I assume Mutalisks and go into a +1 6gate all-in?
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For reference, I am using the Forge-Gate-Core-Expand build Feast used against IdrA at IEM, so it isn't a traditional +1 4gate Zealot build. It hits earlier. Having a lot of joy with it, Zerg players just aren't ready for that earlier timing and seem to lose their third a lot :DLast edit: 2012-04-05 02:34:38 |
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| Teoita Italy. April 05 2012 03:12. Posts 4457 | Profile Blog # |
On April 05 2012 02:33 Sated wrote:
What is the latest timing for Zerg to take a fast third expansion against a FFE? I want to work out at what point I should dedicate myself to a +1 4gate Zealot build. Also, if I see that they're not taking a fast third and are getting Spine Crawlers, should I assume Mutalisks and go into a +1 6gate all-in?
EDIT:
For reference, I am using the Forge-Gate-Core-Expand build Feast used against IdrA at IEM, so it isn't a traditional +1 4gate Zealot build. It hits earlier. Having a lot of joy with it, Zerg players just aren't ready for that earlier timing and seem to lose their third a lot :D
At our level people often are just fucking bad and don't take that third in my experience, but generally i'd say around 6 minutes.
I personally don't think 6gate is that good if he is getting spines and getting ready for 2base muta (works wonders vs risky 3base muta that skips roaches though), attacking into 8 spines is never fun and besides if he is going 2 base muta he is sacrificing a crapton of econ to do so, so defending and playing the macro game is a lot easier.
Also, you might run into infestor/ling too, and i think in that scenario it's quite easy to buy enough time for the infestors to pop out and stop your attack.Last edit: 2012-04-05 03:12:29 |
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| Sated England. April 05 2012 03:22. Posts 3725 | Profile Blog # |
On April 05 2012 03:12 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 02:33 Sated wrote:
What is the latest timing for Zerg to take a fast third expansion against a FFE? I want to work out at what point I should dedicate myself to a +1 4gate Zealot build. Also, if I see that they're not taking a fast third and are getting Spine Crawlers, should I assume Mutalisks and go into a +1 6gate all-in?
EDIT:
For reference, I am using the Forge-Gate-Core-Expand build Feast used against IdrA at IEM, so it isn't a traditional +1 4gate Zealot build. It hits earlier. Having a lot of joy with it, Zerg players just aren't ready for that earlier timing and seem to lose their third a lot :D
At our level people often are just fucking bad and don't take that third in my experience, but generally i'd say around 6 minutes. I personally don't think 6gate is that good if he is getting spines and getting ready for 2base muta (works wonders vs risky 3base muta that skips roaches though), attacking into 8 spines is never fun and besides if he is going 2 base muta he is sacrificing a crapton of econ to do so, so defending and playing the macro game is a lot easier. Also, you might run into infestor/ling too, and i think in that scenario it's quite easy to buy enough time for the infestors to pop out and stop your attack.
Hmmm. That many Spines wouldn't be fun, but +1 Zealots are pretty good against them. I played a game earlier were the opponent tried using 6 Spine-Crawlers on Cloud Kingdom to defend and I managed to kill their natural, main and Spawning Pool before the Mutalisks finished off my Zealots...
You could be right, though I am so scared of playing a macro game against Mutalisks... and Feast's opening sacrafices gas for ridiculously fast Zealot pressure, so I feel like I wouldn't have enough Stalkers to defend against Mutalisks... |
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| NaZa April 05 2012 03:56. Posts 1041 | Profile Blog # |
It is totally different between VoDs and replays.You can learn so much more by watching replays then vods,and about the MLG replays i believe they stop posting them since mlg anaheim 2011. |
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| aZealot New Zealand. April 05 2012 04:33. Posts 1596 | Profile # |
Oh, yeah. Sorry, I misread that. >_<
My bad. |
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| Catchafire2000 United States. April 05 2012 09:18. Posts 227 | Profile # |
In PvP, if my opponent goes double robo, do I go double stargate and get many void rays? What is a good number of VRs to get. Should I focus on air upgrade or ground upgrades. What is my desired unit composition when playing the stargate versus double robo style?
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| monk United States. April 05 2012 09:31. Posts 6988 | Profile Blog # |
On April 05 2012 09:18 Catchafire2000 wrote:
In PvP, if my opponent goes double robo, do I go double stargate and get many void rays? What is a good number of VRs to get. Should I focus on air upgrade or ground upgrades. What is my desired unit composition when playing the stargate versus double robo style?
Thanks,
Need way more specifics. What unit composition do both of you have? How many bases? What infrastructure for both players? However, I will say that double stargate is almost never the direct answer to double robo. |
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| C0MMANDO April 06 2012 10:00. Posts 68 | Profile # | |
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| CrazyF1r3f0x United States. April 06 2012 10:19. Posts 1761 | Profile Blog # |
On April 06 2012 10:00 C0MMANDO wrote:http://drop.sc/players/US/3489289/COMMANDOI know I won the 3 games, but I dont feel i deserved those wins, can anyone tell me when I should work on? macro, micro, build order.. Thank You
If you hadn't deserved them you would not have won. |
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| SkyBlaze Canada. April 06 2012 10:29. Posts 163 | Profile # |
Does none read the rules anymore? like come on!
please read them! please. We are not trying to be elitist or anything just fellow the rules please.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113479
post replays if the question is not simple and post what happened in the game and what builds were used and as well what you think you could work on. ( I.E. like probe production during fights or handling drops and please post loses if win are posted ppl will think your barging if your asking for help.)
[Edit] I should add that the more effort you put in to making the post, the more ppl who would be more inclined to helping youLast edit: 2012-04-07 04:34:03 |
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| WarSame Canada. April 06 2012 10:29. Posts 858 | Profile Blog # |
| What game time does the roach warren finish in Stephano ZvP? Are there any guides on his build on LP? I can't find any. |
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| CrazyF1r3f0x United States. April 06 2012 10:32. Posts 1761 | Profile Blog # |
On April 06 2012 10:29 Peterblue wrote:
What game time does the roach warren finish in Stephano ZvP? Are there any guides on his build on LP? I can't find any.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=320894
look in the intro
It starts at ~7 and gas a 55s build time, so it finishes (along with 1 evo) at ~8 minutes. |
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| Mikelius Germany. April 07 2012 04:13. Posts 503 | Profile # |
| Hey guys, I'm a top platinum player facing off vs Diamonds, and the build I used to do doesn't really work anymore (2 colo with range off of one base). I'm aware it's an old build and it shouldn't work, but whenever I try to go for blink+obs I either don't do enough damage or just plain fuck up my micro. And I have no experience with Phoenix play and fear my multitasking is just not up to the task. Any suggestions? |
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