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| IIIOmegaIII Sweden. August 08 2011 16:36. Posts 319 | Profile # |
On August 05 2011 15:35 KimJongChill wrote:
How do you guys accomplish scouting off of a forge fe. Hallucination, stargate, robotics? I want to start using hallucination to scout, but I'm never really sure how to tailor my build off of a ffe to get a good amount of sentries fast enough any suggestions?
Also, when you ffe, what do you do against a one base baneling bust, or a big roach-all in (like 15).
u need to use ur scouting probe to see if he sets an expansion or if hes not having all that many drones, if ur unsure of what hes doing, set another cannon and get some sentrys out asap. also, u dont need to worry about ur sentry count. if u want hallu, just get it right after ur wg tech. but ofc theres no need for it if ur going for a robo build. |
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| IIIOmegaIII Sweden. August 08 2011 16:38. Posts 319 | Profile # |
On August 05 2011 16:02 FiLmBoT wrote:
PvZ they rush for 7 seven roaches before warp gate finishes and you only a few force fields. Then I hold them off till warp gate research is finished and you have three gates should I do two stalkers and a sentry every warp in to just keep the roaches out till I get enough stalkers out?
yeah u just push out as many sentries and stalkers as u can. u should try to split his roaches in the middle of the ramp so u only have to face 2-3 roaches at a time
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| Gattaca.usa August 08 2011 16:42. Posts 131 | Profile # |
| can someone show some ways to sim city for a FFE on non ffe maps... like shattered temple, typhon peaks etc. |
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| IIIOmegaIII Sweden. August 08 2011 16:43. Posts 319 | Profile # |
On August 06 2011 01:37 rastaban wrote:
This thread is amazing, glad to see such great Protoss advice here. Thanks to all the contributors.
I have a questions, what is the proper response to a 6 pool as Toss? I scout at nine, but even when I see it coming I often have problems knowing the proper way to act. Usualy I am going for a 13 gate when I see it. Should I drop a second gate, and pump zealots, try to get cannons or maybe something else?
Usually I am working on a wall off and if it is near the edge it can be hard to save the pylon before the first zealot comes out.
Thanks,
u can do 2 gates, but it can get hard if he commits to the attack, what i tend to do is just to create a full wall off with a forge and set a pylon. u have to quit probing for a while just in order to get the forge and cannon down asap. every sec counts when its a 6 pool.
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| TylerThaCreator August 08 2011 16:47. Posts 761 | Profile Blog # |
| How do you guys deal with broodlord/infestor/corruptor lategame? Usually this composition is accompanied by roach/ling on the ground which makes it hard to just simply blink up to the broodlords. Infestors are amazing vs voidrays (clumping or not) and corruptors finish the job on the voids + deal with collosus. High templar storms are great vs the lings, but useless vs roaches. Should I just be maxing out on Immortal/HT/Voidray and spread out my army? |
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| zeehar Korea (South). August 08 2011 17:46. Posts 2471 | Profile Blog # |
usually you don't want the zerg getting that far... i don't think i've beaten a good player who was able to get to that composition.
you need high templar to feedback + storm, archons, stalkers, void rays, colossi.... it's difficult. |
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| TylerThaCreator August 08 2011 18:00. Posts 761 | Profile Blog # |
On August 08 2011 17:46 zeehar wrote:
usually you don't want the zerg getting that far... i don't think i've beaten a good player who was able to get to that composition.
you need high templar to feedback + storm, archons, stalkers, void rays, colossi.... it's difficult.
Doesn't seem to make very much sense...zerg with the unbreakable 200/200 army. That can remax very very very quickly...
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| See.Blue United States. August 08 2011 21:52. Posts 2293 | Profile Blog # |
+ What is the BO for Huk's current 1gate FE (not the one in the thread by a similar name by alej). The one where he gets a second gas and 2 sentries?
+ If I FFE vZ into Stargate, is it possible to rush storm and only eventually get a robo for obs, or is there some timing which slaughters this? I'd like to FFE into a void or two then transition to some phoenix for air control, then use that air control to make storm drops a safe midgame tactic but I'm worried that there's a timing when I'd be vulnerable to a huge roach hydra-y bust.Last edit: 2011-08-08 22:05:36 |
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| Intricate1 August 08 2011 22:43. Posts 169 | Profile # |
Switching to Toss and am looking an all purpose build for all matchups, looking to spam some ladder games and work on the new mechanics
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| Sated England. August 08 2011 22:47. Posts 3427 | Profile Blog # |
If I'm going for a 3gate expand and I scout ~5minutes and see marines/bunker at the top of the ramp, after already knowing that the Terran took a gas (so not a 1rax glasess expand), would I be better served to get a Robo or a forge and a couple of cannons to defend from banshees/cloakshees? I figure that if I pressure with a 3gate at the normal time I'm probably gonna be able to do some damage against just marines, especially since the Terran won't have much tech out at that point in time. The problem is that if I don't win with that push (winning is definitely a possibility) then losing all my probes if cloakshees arrive is far from an ideal situation.
Since they could be going for a 111 all-in after an early banshee harass, my initial thought was that I should get a Robo because Immortals are mentioned heavily in Qtip's guide for defending that push. However, Qtip's guide seems to focus on a 1gate-robo-expo or 1gate-expo-robo so if I chose the forge option I suppose I could mass zealots and sentries and get +1 defence before the Terran attacks and defend the 111 that way?
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Also, I was watching MaNa's stream (I think it was MaNa) last night and he was doing a ridiculous 2base mothership/carrier/stalker build against Zerg that was absolutely tearing it up. I think he opened 15nexus, then forge/gate/stargate/fleet beacon/3more gates and attacked using mass recall to teleport all the units into the Zerg main and tear apart their infrastructure. Did anyone else see this? Anyone know where I could find videos of it?Last edit: 2011-08-08 22:58:04 |
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| AmericanUmlaut Germany. August 08 2011 22:59. Posts 2255 | Profile # |
On August 08 2011 21:52 See.Blue wrote:
+ What is the BO for Huk's current 1gate FE (not the one in the thread by a similar name by alej). The one where he gets a second gas and 2 sentries?
+ If I FFE vZ into Stargate, is it possible to rush storm and only eventually get a robo for obs, or is there some timing which slaughters this? I'd like to FFE into a void or two then transition to some phoenix for air control, then use that air control to make storm drops a safe midgame tactic but I'm worried that there's a timing when I'd be vulnerable to a huge roach hydra-y bust.
If Z researches burrow, he'll have map control until you get out your first Observer. That's less a timing in the sense of "OMG he's gonna come kill me," but if he scouts that you have no detection, there's nothing stopping him from getting Tunneling Claws and then mass expanding. |
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| AmericanUmlaut Germany. August 08 2011 23:01. Posts 2255 | Profile # |
On August 08 2011 22:43 Intricate1 wrote:
Switching to Toss and am looking an all purpose build for all matchups, looking to spam some ladder games and work on the new mechanics
Thanks
The only build that you can really do in all three MUs is the 4-gate. It's not that good against Zerg any more, and I never liked it much PvT, but it's at least a little bit viable. |
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| bunnymuncher Canada. August 08 2011 23:12. Posts 110 | Profile # |
On August 08 2011 16:20 Omeze wrote:
This may seem dumb/obvious to some, but bear with me: Gold toss struggling to beat plat opponents, usually because of poor army comp/decision making as I feel my macro simply outpaces my gold/plat peers. My main problem is PvT against 3rax builds with 1reac 2tech. I always open 2 gate robo and get a fast obs to scout him unless i spotted 2 barracks with my initial 9/12 scouting probe. After 2gate robo, I expand, and then am completely lost as to what do to. I usually add a 3rd gate and a forge after expanding and add on an immortal so my army looks something like 4-5 sentries, 1-2 zealots, and a few stalkers + an immortal or two. I start +1wep or +1 armor (I'm actually not sure if I should start with +1wep or armor, either...) and then add 1-2 cannons at my natural in anticipation of the push from T, but when it hits, even if I FF to split his forces in two, I just lose.
Should I just cancel the expo and go one base collosus? do i need more cannons? should I add more sentries to FF and stall for longer (probably not this...)?
I'd say go back and watch your replays to see if you are consistantly warping in units everytime your cooldown is up. Also if he's doing a 1 base 3 rax make sure you are chrono-boosting your immortals out. With 4-5 sentries you should feel comfortable with spamming force fields to cut his army up. Perhaps invest the gas into immortals>sentries, it's hard to say without a replay but you need to make sure you arent sacrificing immortal production for sentries. Of course you need a few sentries, but do not overkill production.
If you are safe and you can get your natural up before him, understand that you are ahead and he will have to come to you. If you feel safe then start getting collossus up. |
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| Anfi Russian Federation. August 08 2011 23:13. Posts 63 | Profile # |
On August 08 2011 22:43 Intricate1 wrote:
Switching to Toss and am looking an all purpose build for all matchups, looking to spam some ladder games and work on the new mechanics
Thanks
Until you get a handle on when and how it's safe to early expand, i'd say go for 3 gate starts. Twilight versus terrans, robo versus other protoss, stargate > robo versus zergs. |
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| Alejandrisha United States. August 08 2011 23:29. Posts 5003 | Profile Blog # |
On August 08 2011 21:52 See.Blue wrote:
+ What is the BO for Huk's current 1gate FE (not the one in the thread by a similar name by alej). The one where he gets a second gas and 2 sentries?
+ If I FFE vZ into Stargate, is it possible to rush storm and only eventually get a robo for obs, or is there some timing which slaughters this? I'd like to FFE into a void or two then transition to some phoenix for air control, then use that air control to make storm drops a safe midgame tactic but I'm worried that there's a timing when I'd be vulnerable to a huge roach hydra-y bust.
i put that build in that thread as well.. should be closer to the end of it |
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| whiteguycash United States. August 08 2011 23:34. Posts 472 | Profile # |
On August 08 2011 16:47 TylerThaCreator wrote:
How do you guys deal with broodlord/infestor/corruptor lategame? Usually this composition is accompanied by roach/ling on the ground which makes it hard to just simply blink up to the broodlords. Infestors are amazing vs voidrays (clumping or not) and corruptors finish the job on the voids + deal with collosus. High templar storms are great vs the lings, but useless vs roaches. Should I just be maxing out on Immortal/HT/Voidray and spread out my army?
You deal with this the same way zerg muta/ling deals with thors, in that you make phoenix, and magic box them into their broodlord cloud. Fungal growth only hits a couple of them. Because of the phoenix moving shot mechanic, they are perfect for magic boxing. When the infestors lay down infested terran, you just run away. |
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| ARick August 08 2011 23:38. Posts 16 | Profile # |
Could someboy give me the build order for 4gate PvP.Cant find it on tl  |
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| BjC England. August 08 2011 23:46. Posts 178 | Profile # |
On August 08 2011 23:38 hyner wrote:Could someboy give me the build order for 4gate PvP.Cant find it on tl
there ya go! Liquipedia is an awesome source of builds bro.
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| ARick August 08 2011 23:55. Posts 16 | Profile # |
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| DeanMalinco United States. August 09 2011 01:01. Posts 43 | Profile # |
I have a few questions about a couple timings / situations.
1) PvT - Dealing with a PF in a key location on the map. Maps like Xelnaga or Shattered temple where the Terran can take a gold and control the middle easily almost always tilt me into thinking I am / will be falling behind quick. I know denying this expansion is key, but hard to do if they do a tank siege / unsiege slow crawl forward and take over the center. Against the mech play, his army is not very mobile so stalker blink play into his base or warp prism a possible solution? What if he is bio and gets one of these positions?
2) PvZ - I read a lot in this thread about doing 2 base timings before infestor / muta become a serious threat. I know the general timing of these builds but would like to know exactly when to "go" and hit the correct timings. Can any of the knowledgeable players confirm the attack timings for a couple of the builds below? I know that most are meant to hit before or around 10 minutes.
How do these build times change with 3 gate fast expand vs. FFE?
- 6gate +1/1 (do you get a robo for obs if you scout roach?)
- 7 gate blink +2 attack
- 2 collosis push
- chargelot / archon +2 attack
If you scout a 3rd before or while you are attacking should this be the primary target ?
I am high diamond if that helps in anyway.
Thank youLast edit: 2011-08-09 01:20:39 |
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