The Terran Help Me Thread - Page 248

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On June 09 2012 01:59 ZanTwilight wrote:
Hey guys, another question about weirdness :D I don't like playing traditionally in my matchups, and my tvz and tvp builds are working great. But, I can't find any tvt build that's anywhere close to the power of standard viking-tank-fodder marines. Originally I went bio with a few tanks, but then my win-the-game instinct kicked in and before I knew it I had tanks with a few bio units >.< My bio just gets crushed by tanks, except dropping. When I drop, I wreck most of their base and then they kill mine while I'm out of position. Ideas?

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On June 09 2012 03:26 Sianos wrote:


I don´t understand what you are asking. Their are a lot of possibilities for playing TvT. The most common is playing Marine,Tank,Medivac. Tank, Viking is oldschool and can be abused easily. That´s because Bio based Builds can abuse their Mobility Advantage to get ahead in Bases,Upgrades and whatever else aggainst this style. The most common Style i´m facing at Ladder is the 1 Rax fe into Marine-Medivac and then into Marine,Tank,Medivac. That´s also the Style i´m currently doing. But you can also play pure Bio or pure Mech. But every Style depends different execution. As long as you don´t clarify what exactly your Problems are, we cannot help you. Maybe you can give us an example of your Problems via a Replay.

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On June 09 2012 03:29 XenOsky- wrote:
how to react against 1-1-1 banshee harrass in tvt when im going 1 rax expo into 3 barracks??

i win pretty much every single macro game i play, but keep lossing to stupid 1 base shit...

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On June 09 2012 04:20 Pillage wrote:


If he's going cloak the first banshee will get there at roughly 7:30 - 8. If you don't see expo by 6:00 minutes, assume one base play and throw down an engy bay and a factory. Scan him later to figure out exactly what he's doing, its worth the cost a mule. When I open 3 rax into double gas, i get a tech lab on the rax and start combat shields research asap, as a marine with shields will beat a marine without shields that is stimmed. Shields should be nearly done by the time a banshee comes to pester you too, so the banshees will 3-shot marines instead of 2-shot them when they have shields. Build missile turrets near the mineral line, make sure you don't lose many scv's and you're way ahead on infantry production and ugrades, and can pretty much roll him with bio, or marine tank medivac play.

Above all, make sure you're constantly making marines, as most players at your level won't be able to macro very well behind kiting a banshee against marines.

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On June 09 2012 04:01 ZanTwilight wrote:


I have no problem, per se. I want a jut less traditional TvT build, and all of the people I asked have said pure bio. However, pure bio doesn't really work for me because when I go for a frontal assault I get massacred by tanks (obviously) and when I do big drops they always base race me and win. So my question is, what is another non-standard way to play TvT OR what am I doing wrong with my bio?

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On June 09 2012 09:06 Blackknight232 wrote:
just a quick question: in tvt does the type of map dictate on what build you use in that match? I don't know if people use the same build regardless of map or they change their style around due to the map.

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On June 09 2012 09:06 Blackknight232 wrote:
just a quick question: in tvt does the type of map dictate on what build you use in that match? I don't know if people use the same build regardless of map or they change their style around due to the map.

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On June 09 2012 10:18 Starshaped wrote:


The bigger and more open the map is, the better it is for marine/tank, as opposed to mech. And as was mentioned, if the 3rd is easy to defend it's great for mech play.

But of course both styles work regardless of map.

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On June 09 2012 12:56 iAmJeffReY wrote:

Eh yes some maps sway marine/tank or mech, or bio more into their favor, but the general flow and ebb of TvT is always very, very similar.

Mech > marine tank > bio > mech

But certain maps of course sway that. Mech on cloud, or daybreak is fucking impossible to stop. Mech on TDA , and other large maps lets bio or even marine tank run rampant and beat what they shouldn't.

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On June 09 2012 13:14 monkybone wrote:
Bio as a composition is a reaction to mech after going for marine tank originally. It doesn't make any sense to go pure bio except as a reaction to mech.

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On June 09 2012 13:18 Starshaped wrote:


Bio doesn't beat anything, lol. It's gimmicky and super easy to play, which is what I guess attracts so many people into doing it, but it relies on your opponent to fuck up royally or for you to do coinflip doomdrops or baseraces or greedy BC-transitions, all of which get shut down if your opponent is playing well (sans the baserace).

I'd much rather face bio as mech than I would face biomech, and I go mech almost every single TvT.

Idunno, maybe it's just me, but bio just feels terrible in modern TvT and I never recommend it to anyone. Like I said, it relies on your opponent to make big mistakes. I think it becomes less effective the higher the skill of the players is.

It's nice to throw it in the mix during a Bo3 or whatever, it's nice to know how to play it, but it isn't something I'd ever practice on the ladder as a solid way of playing. Maybe other people feel differently.

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On June 09 2012 13:20 iAmJeffReY wrote:

It's quite common. You don't need to rush to tanks, as you can poke holes with bio for a very good amount of time. You can delay tanks until the time around you take a third, and drop 2 more factories, and go quick swell of tanks from 3 factories. Map reliant, you have to be able to spot it and keep kiting them back to your base and flank and box bounce your life away.

A lot of people open thorzain bio, or the CC first 2 rax 2 gas 3rd rax fast 2 medic stim cs +1/+1 all bio openings, even when not facing mech.

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On June 09 2012 13:18 Starshaped wrote:


Bio doesn't beat anything, lol. It's gimmicky and super easy to play, which is what I guess attracts so many people into doing it, but it relies on your opponent to fuck up royally or for you to do coinflip doomdrops or baseraces or greedy BC-transitions, all of which get shut down if your opponent is playing well (sans the baserace).

I'd much rather face bio as mech than I would face biomech, and I go mech almost every single TvT.

Idunno, maybe it's just me, but bio just feels terrible in modern TvT and I never recommend it to anyone. Like I said, it relies on your opponent to make big mistakes. I think it becomes less effective the higher the skill of the players is.

It's nice to throw it in the mix during a Bo3 or whatever, it's nice to know how to play it, but it isn't something I'd ever practice on the ladder as a solid way of playing. Maybe other people feel differently.

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On June 09 2012 23:33 saaaa wrote:

What decisions should i make in a base trade scenario with Mech against all three races?

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