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ShadowDrgn United States. August 27 2011 13:48. Posts 2344
On August 27 2011 12:06 WinteRR wrote: I love how everyone is just making absurd judgements on a game that isn't even out of alpha. What's even funnier is that 95% of you guys probably weren't even around for the beta of the original CS.. it was one of the most broken games you'll ever see.
Also when 1.6 first came out (in a standard response by the CS community) EVERYONE whinged about it being 'terrible' and 'never being able to replace 1.5' yet now its exalted amongst the fps community.
The CS community has bitched and moaned about EVERY new version of the game. There were huge uproars when gun running was removed, m4a1 scope was removed, bunny hopping was removed, awp no longer killed with a shot to someone's toe, etc. There have always been and probably always will be a set of jaded gamers that insist CS ($currentVersion - 1) is the best and $currentVersion is for noobs.
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isM United States. August 27 2011 13:50. Posts 669
On August 27 2011 12:24 Jibba wrote: A lot of people still consider 1.5 to be better than 1.6, and certainly the current form of 1.6 with the neutered AWP.
I've heard many skilled players argue that 1.3 is even better than both too. However, it was a much different game then. I agree that 1.5 > 1.6 also.
1.3 was a much less strategic game, partly because of the speed with +move and increased accuracy on the run, but also because the game hadn't developed as much and smokes weren't allowed in competition yet (bug that crashed clients) and flashes worked differently. It's sort of hard to compare, but 1.5 and 1.6 were fairly close.
1.5 was the last free standing counterstrike (I don't know if that is the correct way to put it). People like to nostalgia for 1.3 cause you could bunny hop and all that fun stuff that made your average scrim more entertaining. 1.6 introduced the riot shield/famas/galil (riot shield was banned at the drop of the coin from competitive play though.)
Edit: When 1.6 came out a lot of people were frustrated with the new hit boxes that clearly got fucked up in the transition to steam, you can't tell me if you were a competitive player in the transition period that you never got completely randomed or did it to someone. Over time it had settled itself out however.
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Sawamura Malaysia. August 27 2011 14:07. Posts 7220
Some one said first impression last a long time right ? For your information this graphics update and the camoflauge given to the cts and terrorist according the map did it for me and I am all ready to get this game on . Cs go anytime man . I don't see it being a flop anytime and for those who wants to give it a try ignore the old comments that keeps coming cs1.3,cs 1.5 for life what matters the most is you enjoy the game . Xbox 360 trailer for cs go
On August 27 2011 12:24 Jibba wrote: A lot of people still consider 1.5 to be better than 1.6, and certainly the current form of 1.6 with the neutered AWP.
I've heard many skilled players argue that 1.3 is even better than both too. However, it was a much different game then. I agree that 1.5 > 1.6 also.
1.3 was a much less strategic game, partly because of the speed with +move and increased accuracy on the run, but also because the game hadn't developed as much and smokes weren't allowed in competition yet (bug that crashed clients) and flashes worked differently. It's sort of hard to compare, but 1.5 and 1.6 were fairly close.
1.5 was the last free standing counterstrike (I don't know if that is the correct way to put it). People like to nostalgia for 1.3 cause you could bunny hop and all that fun stuff that made your average scrim more entertaining. 1.6 introduced the riot shield/famas/galil (riot shield was banned at the drop of the coin from competitive play though.)
Edit: When 1.6 came out a lot of people were frustrated with the new hit boxes that clearly got fucked up in the transition to steam, you can't tell me if you were a competitive player in the transition period that you never got completely randomed or did it to someone. Over time it had settled itself out however.
Only major complaint of 1.6 was:
1. Steam (Steam really stunk back then). For example Steam had a habit of kicking people out of games, giving errors, etc. Sometimes it was hard to play.
2. Hideous font/scoreboard (yep due to move to Steam >.<). Also (last I remembered) I'm not sure but apparently they "still" haven't directly added a mute/unmute option by tabbing and click the player's name (It was in 1.5 and below I believe). It's not because Steam doesn't support it either because Natural Selection 1 and other mods have this feature.
Another was they made de_aztec look kind of ugly.
Or maybe that was just me but most of it was just cosmetic things.
But yeah - the major complaint at the time was the move from WON to Steam rather than 1.6 itself AFAIK (and maybe because the scoreboard and everything looked ugly, again maybe that too).
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Jibba United States. August 27 2011 20:20. Posts 20135
On August 27 2011 12:24 Jibba wrote: A lot of people still consider 1.5 to be better than 1.6, and certainly the current form of 1.6 with the neutered AWP.
I've heard many skilled players argue that 1.3 is even better than both too. However, it was a much different game then. I agree that 1.5 > 1.6 also.
1.3 was a much less strategic game, partly because of the speed with +move and increased accuracy on the run, but also because the game hadn't developed as much and smokes weren't allowed in competition yet (bug that crashed clients) and flashes worked differently. It's sort of hard to compare, but 1.5 and 1.6 were fairly close.
1.5 was the last free standing counterstrike (I don't know if that is the correct way to put it). People like to nostalgia for 1.3 cause you could bunny hop and all that fun stuff that made your average scrim more entertaining. 1.6 introduced the riot shield/famas/galil (riot shield was banned at the drop of the coin from competitive play though.)
Edit: When 1.6 came out a lot of people were frustrated with the new hit boxes that clearly got fucked up in the transition to steam, you can't tell me if you were a competitive player in the transition period that you never got completely randomed or did it to someone. Over time it had settled itself out however.
Well, they fucked up interp with 1.6 which was a huge deal. 1.5 with .1 and full rates was about as good as you could get online, and it worked on LAN too. In 1.6, .1 worked great on LAN but was absolute shit online and had the same effect as 0 does in 1.5. The problem is if you go to 0 in 1.6, models are too warpy if the rates aren't decent and there's still some issues with creeping around corners online.
CAL and other leagues had their scripts that at least helped control interp cheating a bit. After 1.6 came out, the scripts didn't work anymore so there was no way to do anything (until the ESEA client) so for a long time prominent AWPers just used .05/.1 online for the advantage. It eventually got fixed (and ESEA client helps a lot) but the end of 1.5 really nailed the netcode, and then they downgraded it.
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slytown United States. August 28 2011 06:46. Posts 1189
On August 27 2011 12:06 WinteRR wrote: I love how everyone is just making absurd judgements on a game that isn't even out of alpha. What's even funnier is that 95% of you guys probably weren't even around for the beta of the original CS.. it was one of the most broken games you'll ever see.
Also when 1.6 first came out (in a standard response by the CS community) EVERYONE whinged about it being 'terrible' and 'never being able to replace 1.5' yet now its exalted amongst the fps community.
The CS community has bitched and moaned about EVERY new version of the game. There were huge uproars when gun running was removed, m4a1 scope was removed, bunny hopping was removed, awp no longer killed with a shot to someone's toe, etc. There have always been and probably always will be a set of jaded gamers that insist CS ($currentVersion - 1) is the best and $currentVersion is for noobs.
Not much of a point there, but whatever.
You can't say source is even with 1.6/1.5 in terms of skill. The hitboxes in source are awful and you can run-n-gun with an awp. Source is so arcade style it doesn't work competitively. I'm guessing it will seel in the way COD sells: high sales, low skill cap. Just the fact that it will exist on consoles (yes, consoles are inferior to PC mechanics) trumps my hope for GO living up to 1.5/1.6.
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On August 28 2011 06:46 slytown wrote: The hitboxes in source are awful and you can run-n-gun with an awp. Source is so arcade style it doesn't work competitively.
Made my first post on TL just to say you have no idea what you're talking about and clearly have never played Source.
MavercK Australia. August 28 2011 07:32. Posts 2048
The hitboxes in source are awful and you can run-n-gun with an awp.
i dont have a source but iirc hitboxes were done with a very long time ago. these days games use mesh hitscan?. you can't really complain about it being inaccurate.
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On August 28 2011 06:46 slytown wrote: The hitboxes in source are awful and you can run-n-gun with an awp. Source is so arcade style it doesn't work competitively.
God, have you played more than just with bots? CS (1.6 and source) are those few games where you CANNOT do that.
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Onlinejaguar Australia. August 28 2011 09:36. Posts 2621
ewww look at the trailer with that hideous consolised radial menu. Cross platform play means its gonna be dumbed down so people playing with controllers can keep up.
Ideas United States. August 28 2011 09:57. Posts 7428
interview with a lot of gameplay footage (from 360s though lol)
sounds like they really want to make sure PC players like the game, but I guess it really depends on how much they change during beta. They are really set on making sure it's the same game on PCs and consoles though, so I guess if they want to make sure the hitboxes/recoil is good on PC it wont really be popular with console players at all.
I trust that valve will at least try to appease PC players, but who knows if it will work out. also not in this interview but a different one (with newell I think) they said that they will have a different buy menu for PC players that isnt radial.
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Gingerninja United Kingdom. August 28 2011 09:58. Posts 1292
On August 28 2011 06:46 slytown wrote: The hitboxes in source are awful and you can run-n-gun with an awp. Source is so arcade style it doesn't work competitively.
Made my first post on TL just to say you have no idea what you're talking about and clearly have never played Source.
Have to agree, I've played every version of CS (inc the xbox one), and in CSS you cannot run and gun with the AWP. Pure fanboy hatred if I ever saw it. The hitboxes in source are not awful. at launch yes, they were shocking. but then was so was the autoshottie balance, lack of models and lots of other things. Yes at launch CSS was really unpolished. Guess what? They fixed it. No it doesn't play identically to 1.6, but it's not broken.
On August 28 2011 09:36 Onlinejaguar wrote: ewww look at the trailer with that hideous consolised radial menu. Cross platform play means its gonna be dumbed down so people playing with controllers can keep up.
Actually, there will be no aim assitance on the console versions. It's already been confirmed by valve. As for recoil, I'm not sure, but there will be a beta in October only for PC. They seem to be catering to the pc community if anything, which is 100% fine by me.
Everytime I see this game in the press with videos, it looks worse and worse... I dunno about anyone else but unless this game gets some major overhauls. I think I'm gonna pass on it which makes me sad.
T0fuuu Australia. August 28 2011 16:03. Posts 2262
I guess this is just how the cs/css community is. They just bitch about new versions compared to old versions and never want to play anything new. Whether its with different recoil, different movement or heaven forbid... different maps! Part of it is elitism where people genuinely believe that they are better because the play a better game (just like people are better because of where they are born) and the other part is because of a largely dead or dying competitive scene which leaves gamers with less time to play games and more time on forums whining and being bitter. Alot of the enthusiasm has been sucked out and i hope csgo can put some back into the community.
RaLakedaimon United States. August 28 2011 16:13. Posts 1523
T0fuuu speaks the truth, after hearing more and more about the game I'm happy with were its going and it since it will be mac/pc/ps3 and probably not xbox that makes things pretty cool. I wouldn't care if xbox got in on it either since I don't even know anyone personally that plays consoles so I don't know if there chilled people or what but either way most of the CS community are asshole kids anyways so its not like things couldn't get anywhere but better. I quit ESEA because of how bad that crowd can get, so having dedicated servers plus random pubs and matchmaking stuff will make this game great. I hope they put the bot stuff back in cause I have to always try over and over to get into servers on Steam games and I kill time by playing bots lol. CS:GO will be pretty awesome from how things look, hope its cheap though because I'm poor as fuck.
Ack1027 United States. August 28 2011 16:20. Posts 7023
On August 28 2011 16:03 T0fuuu wrote: I guess this is just how the cs/css community is. They just bitch about new versions compared to old versions and never want to play anything new. Whether its with different recoil, different movement or heaven forbid... different maps! Part of it is elitism where people genuinely believe that they are better because the play a better game (just like people are better because of where they are born) and the other part is because of a largely dead or dying competitive scene which leaves gamers with less time to play games and more time on forums whining and being bitter. Alot of the enthusiasm has been sucked out and i hope csgo can put some back into the community.
Or the game is actually gonna be bad? If blizzard came out with sc2 and sc3 during the last 12 years do you think that people who said it's not as good as bw are just whiners or elitists? Cs 1.5 and 1.6 was one of the best competitive e-sports of all time and its not fair to lower the bar because game designers ignore keeping some of the best aspects of 1.5 and 1.6.... In the same vein its incredibly foolish to think that games like sc2 will ever get certain aspects right like bw nailed. I hope you don't call bw enthusiasts elitist and ' never wanting to play anything new ' It's one thing if they are obnoxious about it but if its just not their style and they have a valid reason such as the previous version simply being BETTER, there's not much you should say.
I think one of the most trite and ridiculously stupid arguments that exist in the world is that if you haven't tried it then you can't have an opinion of it...there's tons of that logic in this thread.
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There only thing im really looking forward to in this game is that ill be able to make my add xbox friend shut the fuck up about how he thinks hes a pro at fps
other than that, it will be cool to play a new counter strike, i dont play css to much anymore, but i hope they dont make it "too" different, although i do want a little change
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Jibba United States. August 27 2011 20:20. Posts 20135
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