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| andy186 Australia. October 23 2011 14:55. Posts 519 | Profile # |
That like 1 second clip of cg with the ultra getting hit by a siege tank shell as the banelings roll by.
Blizzard cg is so amazing want to see a full cg trailer now still remember that sick one for WoL (well it wasn't all cg but still was amazing) |
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| Dante.StarCraft Norway. October 23 2011 19:19. Posts 160 | Profile # |
On October 14 2011 22:27 aloT wrote:Spoilers from the new Nova book - Starcraft Ghost: Spectres. + Show Spoiler +
Blizzard has also stated that siding with Tosh in WoL is canon. And we see spectres in the teaser trailer. I guess all this really says is that spectres and their agenda may play a bigger role in the games to come.
+ Show Spoiler +Actually, at Blizzcon they stated that when you play HOTS, they can spot which choice you made, and alter things that way (nothing big, probably just a random line or something). If you didn't make a choice, the A choice is automatically chosen (siding with Tosh, siding with Hanson, flooding the tunnels). |
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| Telenil France. October 23 2011 21:08. Posts 361 | Profile # |
That like 1 second clip of cg with the ultra getting hit by a siege tank shell as the banelings roll by.
Blizzard cg is so amazing want to see a full cg trailer now still remember that sick one for WoL (well it wasn't all cg but still was amazing)
Yeah, I saw the zerg landing and I was like "cool". I saw Kerrigan force-choking people and I was "meh". Then I saw the scene with the charging zerg and half of the ultra's body disappearing in the explosion, and I was just "OMG <3".Last edit: 2011-10-23 21:12:05 |
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| Spitfire South Africa. October 24 2011 01:05. Posts 442 | Profile # |
Haha those raptor lings looked frigging awesome
Thoroughly enjoyed their campaign and storyline panel |
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| chocopaw October 24 2011 06:59. Posts 1789 | Profile Blog # |
On October 23 2011 19:19 Dante.StarCraft wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 22:27 aloT wrote:Spoilers from the new Nova book - Starcraft Ghost: Spectres. + Show Spoiler +
Blizzard has also stated that siding with Tosh in WoL is canon. And we see spectres in the teaser trailer. I guess all this really says is that spectres and their agenda may play a bigger role in the games to come.
Actually, at Blizzcon they stated that when you play HOTS, they can spot which choice you made, and alter things that way (nothing big, probably just a random line or something). If you didn't make a choice, the A choice is automatically chosen (siding with Tosh, siding with Hanson, flooding the tunnels).
(not quite sure why spoilered, why would people who haven't finished WoL go to a HotS thread?)
I wonder how they want to detect which choice you made in those missions. What happens if you played through the campaign multiple times, like I and many others did? Do they take the first playthrough then? That would suck. :xLast edit: 2011-10-24 07:00:07 |
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| Dante.StarCraft Norway. October 24 2011 16:35. Posts 160 | Profile # |
| No, you can only have one active campaign at a time, right? That one counts. |
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| supraWman Germany. October 26 2011 03:21. Posts 447 | Profile # |
On October 24 2011 16:35 Dante.StarCraft wrote:
No, you can only have one active campaign at a time, right? That one counts.
I'm kind of wondering about that too. How do they deal with multiple playthroughs? |
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| Dante.StarCraft Norway. October 26 2011 20:54. Posts 160 | Profile # |
| Reread my post. If you begin a new campaign, the previous one is erased (technically not, but it's not longer the current campaign, and has to be opened with saves, which, if done, in turn "erases" the one that replaced it). |
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| Dante.StarCraft Norway. October 30 2011 20:23. Posts 160 | Profile # |
I feel this thread has really turned into something great, and I'd like to thank everyone for contributing. However, I do feel it has died somewhat, and I thought I'd give it a little spark. So, what I've done is analyzed the new HOTS trailer, looking at the different clips in search for clues. I've asked more questions than I have made points, with the intention of creating debate or at least mystery.
It begins with what WoL ended with: Kerrigan getting deinfested and being carried away by Raynor in the sunset. The music, however, is quite different, more specifically having a more distinguished dark atmosphere, signaling somewhat more downbeat than what WoL promised.
![[image loading]](http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/7072/31480781.png)
Then, a black screen, and we can hear Kerrigan say, "The girl you remember… is dead".
![[image loading]](http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9793/18551675.png)
We then see Kerrigan in a lab, now armored in a ghost suit. We've seen teasers of this before, more specifically on the HOTS preview site and this photo. Where is this lab, and what the hell is going on?
![[image loading]](http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4271/74336839.png)
We then find out Kerrigan is gunning for Mengsk. Not surprising, perhaps, but she's had the chance to kill him before (first when capturing him and taking him back to Korhal, secondly after defeating him in Omega), so why the sudden urge? Does the transformation have anything to do with this? Is she being controlled now, or was she perhaps so before, now finally getting the chance to do what she always wanted?
![[image loading]](http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/892/17934604.png)
Seems Heart of the Swarm will be an action-filled expansion. I wonder, though, why we see Battlecruisers fighting each other? Is the Hyperion fighting Dominion ships?
![[image loading]](http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7225/56099199.png)
Here, we see Hyperion crew members "feeling the heat" (you see Kachinsky in the background). Guess that means we won't be spending all of our time in the Leviathan.
![[image loading]](http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/8016/55820541.png)
If you guys check out the artwork panel video, you'll see them discussing new terrain and environment. This is their new installation, though the drop pods may indicate we're on the roof, or at least outside. Personally, I'm guessing this is one of the earlier missions, possibly the location of the lab.
![[image loading]](http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5148/74923449.png)
This one is really intriguing to me. We see Kerrigan on a fast-moving aerial-based transporter. It looks really cool, and is an interesting twist on what you usually see in RTS games. This shows Blizzard taking influence from TPS, FPS and RPG games, not just in gameplay, but also in environment.
![[image loading]](http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7149/77098942.png)
I can't be the only one seeing this (ultralisks and jungle), and not be thinking of this. And what's this?
![[image loading]](http://img848.imageshack.us/img848/651/53003920.png)
Here we once again see Kaldir, though significantly, the Protoss is freezed. What happened to their shields?
![[image loading]](http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/1896/72338231.png)
This is the most Protoss-like environment we've seen so far, including WoL. Is it a ship? An installation? And what are those critters in those cells?
![[image loading]](http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9812/55546147.png)
Terrans fighting Terrans again. Will we get a Terran mini-campaign, or do we perhaps control Zerg and Terrans simultaneously? And is that the Hyperion? Out of curiosity, I opened the map maker and tried to find out. The Hyperion and battlecruiser are dissimilar only in size, so I put a wraith next to them (if you look at the picture, you can see the wraiths being quite small compared to the Hyperion, and the editor shows the size ratio between that and the wraith being more appropriate than the one between a battlecruiser and a wraith).
![[image loading]](http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/62/11613094.png)
What kind of soldier is this? Seems there is no head inside the helmet, so it might be remote-controlled. The environment looks like the inside of the Hyperion, or at least some kind of battlecruiser.
![[image loading]](http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7359/82231481.png)
Matt Horner makes a return, with one line in trailer: "Stand down!". The way he says it, sounds to me like he says it to one of a subordinate, not Kerrigan, though that is speculation. What do you think?
Warfield is back too, with one line: "How many innocents have you killed? How many more must die?" It is put like he is saying it to Kerrigan, but if you look at the WoL trailer, you can see several instances where lines are put in different contexts, either because it fits better in the trailer, or because it means less is spoiled, which means Warfield can be addressing someone else. But who? Arcturus? Valerian? Raynor?
![[image loading]](http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/2568/89892084.png)
With that in mind, note that was appears to be Kerrigan's response might not actually be that. Here we see her openly showing regret, either because of something she has done or because of something she is about to do. The gun points to the possibility of the latter. Intriguing.
![[image loading]](http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/4821/36017986.png)
Valerian also makes an appearance, getting strangled. In the trailer, Kerrigan is present, but is she one doing it? If so, why?
![[image loading]](http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/5158/80828337.png)
This is one of the most promising clips. Hard to say where it is taking place, but Kerrigan going after Mengsk suggests Korhal, as does the red marines. The scene looks horrific, and I can't wait to see it.
![[image loading]](http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/3479/39446940.png)
I don't think the following picture is from the campaign (purple Zerg instead of orange), but I might be wrong. Either way, it looks cool. I love aerial fights.
![[image loading]](http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/78/15760999.png)
More drop pods, Terran this time, but who is dropping, and on whom? The location seems to be Terran-based. Raynor helping Kerrigan in an invasion?
![[image loading]](http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/6844/79288192.png)
This looks like Kerrigan has made her way into the Hyperion, or some kind of battlecruiser. Technically, they'd probably look the same, but I'd imagine Blizzard making a different interior for a different battlecruiser, to better distinguish it from the interior of the Hyperion. The headless soldiers make a reappearance.
![[image loading]](http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/1948/55005566.png)
This final image is just plain awesome. Don't know where it takes place, but it is pre-rendered and there was a limited use of those in WoL (only 4, to be exact), so it might belong to the one with the drop pods and the red marines.
![[image loading]](http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/1875/12927958.png)
Finally, I have two pictures obtained from IGN, showing interesting stuff. The first picture is this one, which shows a Protoss inside the Leviathan. On the SC Legacy forums, they said it was a prisoner, but I don't have more intel on that.
![[image loading]](http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/121/1210400/starcraft-ii-heart-of-the-swarm-20111021020733378_640w.jpg)
The last picture shows Warfield's compound being part of the missions on Char. Unsurprising, perhaps, but interesting nonetheless. We seem to get a glimpse of it in the artwork clip I posted earlier.
![[image loading]](http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/121/1210400/starcraft-ii-heart-of-the-swarm-20111021020736728_640w.jpg)
That's what I have for now. Thoughts? |
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| Hairy United Kingdom. November 02 2011 02:17. Posts 1055 | Profile # |
That's what I have for now. Thoughts?
My thoughts for now is that HOTS looks fricking awesome!  Very nice post btw.
The big thoughts your post provokes is that I now think it's pretty likely we'll be playing, at least a small part, as (or with) the Terrans. Blizz stated that there had been great enthusiasm for the Protoss side-quests in SC2 so I think it's likely they'll be trying very hard to incorporate off-racing into HOTS somehow. I don't see how they could have us playing as Protoss from a lore POV, but I can definitely see some Terran action....
Jim is too much of a sucker for Kerrigan to resist and so I think it's likely he's going to support her at least somehow - that would also explain Matt Horner's "Stand down!" comment (which I agree is probably given to a subordinate). I imagine Horner is attempting to split up a fight involving the Hyperion's crew as I have no doubt some of them will not be happy allying with Kerrigan.
I also think it's pretty unlikely Warfield is NOT speaking to Kerrigan in his quote, especially as one of the quests is clearly to overwhelm Warfield's compound. Perhaps Raynor (assuming he allies with Kerrigan in some way), but I think that is less likely. |
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| Jenia6109 Russian Federation. November 02 2011 04:28. Posts 1058 | Profile Blog # | |
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 Seeker  Korea (South). November 06 2011 05:12. Posts 17740 | Profile Blog # |
Omg..... it does.....
LOL!!! v1.04..... memories man..... memories..... |
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| tsango Australia. November 06 2011 10:14. Posts 176 | Profile # |
Whilst i think HotS looks totally awesome, i'm slightly disappointed that the level of protoss involvement is so low.
I get that its the 'zerg' expansion, but it feels as though the entire story line is between raynor and kerrigan, and the racial involvement is almost exclusively terran and zerg - for what its worth WoL felt very similar and turned out to be for the most part.
just my 2c :D |
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| Sugarfree Croatia. November 07 2011 05:21. Posts 11 | Profile # |
| Has anyone heard will the collectors edition of the HotS come out? |
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| springtree November 08 2011 01:59. Posts 74 | Profile # |
On October 30 2011 20:23 Dante.StarCraft wrote:What kind of soldier is this? Seems there is no head inside the helmet, so it might be remote-controlled. The environment looks like the inside of the Hyperion, or at least some kind of battlecruiser.
I clearly see something like a pilot cover over the eyes and a (almost orcish) lower part of the face below it, in there.
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| NinjaTuna Denmark. November 08 2011 03:29. Posts 4 | Profile # |
Sorry if this is already asked.
Will the multiplayer units also be available to Wings of liberty, or do you have to buy the expansion to get the units. In that case. Will the game then be split in two games or will you have to play against players who have units you don't have? |
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| BlazeTSR United States. November 08 2011 05:05. Posts 218 | Profile # |
On November 08 2011 03:29 NinjaTuna wrote:
Sorry if this is already asked.
Will the multiplayer units also be available to Wings of liberty, or do you have to buy the expansion to get the units. In that case. Will the game then be split in two games or will you have to play against players who have units you don't have?
More then likely they'll do what they did when Starcraft: Brood War came out. Those who only have Starcraft (aka Vanilla) would only play those with that addition. This limited imbalancing issues due to the new units in the game they weren't normally designed for. This also helps generate money to get played to buy the expansion overall.Last edit: 2011-11-08 05:05:58 |
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| -swordguy United States. November 08 2011 06:44. Posts 560 | Profile Blog # |
On November 08 2011 03:29 NinjaTuna wrote:
Sorry if this is already asked.
Will the multiplayer units also be available to Wings of liberty, or do you have to buy the expansion to get the units. In that case. Will the game then be split in two games or will you have to play against players who have units you don't have?
I'm pretty sure there will be a completely separate ladder for HoTS so you will only play people who are also playing HoTS. My main concern is if portraits carry over or not and if the progress you have towards portraits carries over to HoTS (ex. you have 800 protoss 1v1 wins on WOL but will getting 200 1v1 toss wins in Hots give you the acheive and portrait for 1000 or do you have to get separate achievements in HoTS). |
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| nerak Brazil. November 09 2011 02:34. Posts 234 | Profile Blog # |
We then find out Kerrigan is gunning for Mengsk. Not surprising, perhaps, but she's had the chance to kill him before (first when capturing him and taking him back to Korhal, secondly after defeating him in Omega), so why the sudden urge? Does the transformation have anything to do with this? Is she being controlled now, or was she perhaps so before, now finally getting the chance to do what she always wanted?
When Arcturus was Kerrigan´s "guest" after Raynor and Fenix save him from the UED, she needed him; not just for his tecnology, but also she needed powerful allies to fight the earthlings. When they defeated the UED together, Kerrigan betrays them in Korhal´s surface and kills Duke and Fenix. That´s actually the only chance she had to kill Arcturus. But she couldn´t throw all her forces into Augustgrad right away: the UED and Shakuras protoss were still out there. Her main directive, as a Zerg, was to regather the Swarm and grant its survival.
Then she spent 4 years doing gosh knows what. At WoL time, once again she has priorities - running after Xel Naga prophecies and artifacts.
So the real question, in my opinion, is not why she hasnt killed Megsk before; it is why is she doing it now, since the shit she was worried about is still going on, except that now her galactical army is torn apart. Its probably because all of a sunden she´s human again, she needs to make sense of things, and vengeance seems a great way to fill the void she now has inside her. So listening to her screwed up emotions > caring about the fate of the universe. Because she can.
I think its very samurai-ish actually. This stoic revenge-over-everything-else thing. Fits with the feeling of SC 2 so far: WoL is about the "loniest guy in the universe" (according to Metzen), drinking, being useless and fooling his crew while the sector burns, when se suddenly has the chance to repair his deepest emotional wound. So he goes Bono and say: fuck the revolution. Again, emotions > apocalipse/politics.
Thats actually a great story going on... not even a bit like BW, which had so much more politics. But still a great story. I think the main thing we´re missing are the astonishing dialogs.
About everything else... well, I don´t want to think too much on some stuff that could be spoilerish. Some random thoughts:
Matt Horner makes a return, with one line in trailer: "Stand down!". The way he says it, sounds to me like he says it to one of a subordinate, not Kerrigan, though that is speculation. What do you think?
I think we´re having a plot transition here. So we dont parachute-drop cluelessly at Kerrigan´s nightmarish life. Plot will give us time to say "good bye so long" to Hyperion. Would same thing happen in the beginning of LotV?
Valerian also makes an appearance, getting strangled. In the trailer, Kerrigan is present, but is she one doing it? If so, why?
Kerrigan´s trying to show there can be only one "puta reina del universo"
This is the most Protoss-like environment we've seen so far, including WoL. Is it a ship? An installation? And what are those critters in those cells?
Zerg are evil, they use smelly creep-bombs to kill puppies.
Those puppies were being raised by Aiur Chefs to be served as meals to Korean pro gamers. :D
Also the trailer is amazing, but like they spoilered 80% of WoL´s campaign in the trailer, I feel they are spoiling at least 50% of the campaign (incluing the ending...) with this one.
Thx for raising the thread back from the dead 
EDIT: We were thinking, wtf was all that jungle stuff right? Just jungle planet to invade or does zerg have gone jungle?
Blizzcon answered it...
+ Show Spoiler +
Reminds me of Akira...
EDIT 2: + Show Spoiler +As Dantes says, Kerrigan actually spared Arcturus' life at Korhal. Things make more sense now . She was actually grateful about being infested back then (though se was ALSO mad at it!) and liked playing with people too much. Then again, she's her own worse enemy. I'm curious if this trait of her (being arrogant to the point of stupid) will appear in HotS, as it didn't in WoL. (except letting the artifact get so close...) Last edit: 2011-11-10 05:58:19 |
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| Dante.StarCraft Norway. November 10 2011 04:57. Posts 160 | Profile # |
On November 09 2011 02:34 nerak wrote:
Show nested quote +We then find out Kerrigan is gunning for Mengsk. Not surprising, perhaps, but she's had the chance to kill him before (first when capturing him and taking him back to Korhal, secondly after defeating him in Omega), so why the sudden urge? Does the transformation have anything to do with this? Is she being controlled now, or was she perhaps so before, now finally getting the chance to do what she always wanted?
When Arcturus was Kerrigan´s "guest" after Raynor and Fenix save him from the UED, she needed him; not just for his tecnology, but also she needed powerful allies to fight the earthlings. When they defeated the UED together, Kerrigan betrays them in Korhal´s surface and kills Duke and Fenix. That´s actually the only chance she had to kill Arcturus. But she couldn´t throw all her forces into Augustgrad right away: the UED and Shakuras protoss were still out there. Her main directive, as a Zerg, was to regather the Swarm and grant its survival. Then she spent 4 years doing gosh knows what. At WoL time, once again she has priorities - running after Xel Naga prophecies and artifacts. So the real question, in my opinion, is not why she hasnt killed Megsk before; it is why is she doing it now, since the shit she was worried about is still going on, except that now her galactical army is torn apart. Its probably because all of a sunden she´s human again, she needs to make sense of things, and vengeance seems a great way to fill the void she now has inside her. So listening to her screwed up emotions > caring about the fate of the universe. Because she can.
Two things:
Kerrigan actually says she spares Mengsk in True Colors.
Good point about Kerrigan now not caring about the greater threat. That explains the amnesia. |
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