General Discussion - Page 400

On April 17 2012 04:30 Ack1027 wrote:


• HP freeze prevents most kinds of healing including those from skills or items.

Morph's stat morph is not healing, its intended to keep the same hp %. If you are at 50% hp and then drop a vanguard, you should still be at 50% hp.

So in fact, what you're complaining about as a bug is not even a bug, its just following the rules of AA's ulti.

Buff?

On April 17 2012 04:37 Comeh wrote:

And, to respond to your condescending tone, the problem here-in-lies that there is an inconsistency issue between dota 1 and dota 2, and the inconsistency lies in the engine limitation of WC3. The question remains, should we stick with the dota 1 trend and cling to the WC3 engine as close as we can, or stick with how it works in Dota 2?

That or I don't understand anything.

On April 17 2012 04:46 Logo wrote:
It's more consistent to leave it like it is in DotA2. It's not healing, once you readjust your stats you're back at the same # of hp again.

In fact if you make it like dota1 technically it would do some really weird stuff right?

For example, if ice blast lasted long enough, you would be able to kill yourself by taking treads and constantly cycling them. When you go to str the hp gain fails (so your % of max hp goes down), but when you drop to agi your hp drops to keep you at the same hp %. Likewise if a morph kept shifting agi->str->agi eventually he'd just shatter because his % of max hp would be constantly dropping.

Even in the 1 type cycle case if you shift your boots from agi->str and back to agi then how does it make any sense for your hp to decrease?

On April 17 2012 04:46 Logo wrote:
It's more consistent to leave it like it is in DotA2. It's not healing, once you readjust your stats you're back at the same # of hp again.

In fact if you make it like dota1 technically it would do some really weird stuff right?

For example, if ice blast lasted long enough, you would be able to kill yourself by taking treads and constantly cycling them. When you go to str the hp gain fails (so your % of max hp goes down), but when you drop to agi your hp drops to keep you at the same hp %. Likewise if a morph kept shifting agi->str->agi eventually he'd just shatter because his % of max hp would be constantly dropping.

Even in the 1 type cycle case if you shift your boots from agi->str and back to agi then how does it make any sense for your hp to decrease?

On April 17 2012 04:37 Comeh wrote:

And, to respond to your condescending tone, the problem here-in-lies that there is an inconsistency issue between dota 1 and dota 2, and the inconsistency lies in the engine limitation of WC3. The question remains, should we stick with the dota 1 trend and cling to the WC3 engine as close as we can, or stick with how it works in Dota 2?

That or I don't understand anything.

On April 17 2012 04:40 Ack1027 wrote:


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What is so hard to understand about this?

Anything that the engine in wc3 did not allow Icefrog to do, he is going to take the opportunity to make it work the way he, the game creator, wants it to work in dota2.

As already explained, it's not a bug, it's not a buff, its just that in dota1 morph doesn't keep the same ratio of HP when he morphs. However, if you look at the rules of AA's ulti and Morph's Morph. It should logically follow to anyone who has read those skills that Morph should ' gain hp ' <----- again wrong term.

On April 17 2012 01:58 crms wrote:
Eric Tams from Valve wasn't lying when he said if you queue with a party of big skill differential the MM basically breaks...


I almost always duo queue with my friend, I'm assuming we're in the 'high' range of the 'high' bracket as we generally play vs. the known NADL players, NA pros, and well known pub stompers. I track our stats in excel (cause im a nerd and valve doesn't show us shit) and I tracked a 50 game set. We went 40-10 over this set, that's 78.4% win, pretty good!

This weekend we decided to play with our 'newer' friend but hes a pretty decent player, just only has like 50 wins or so, maybe 70-80 games total. He's much lower in MMR for obvious reasons and queueing with him was a nightmare... We went from a 50 game set of 40-10, to a 13 game set of 2-11. Everygame we got was worse then the next. Our teammates literally had no idea what dota was, yet we still got matched vs good/decent players. We got against jeyo and daisy crew, fogged/solace crew, and other random known players yet we were queueing with our newb friend. The worst part was our teammates were even worse then our 'new' friend. None of the loses were really his fault, but moreso the randoms they matched us up with.

I know it's only beta and I shouldn't give a shit about winning but I honestly can't queue with my friend. The games are complete shit. At least valve acknowledges that the MM breaks when you queue outside your skill range, but I hope they come up with a good fix. It's literally miserably unfun at best to unwinable at worst if I play with my lower level friends.

To be clear this wasn't a stack, just my duo partner +1. Breaks the fuck out of MM.

On April 17 2012 05:49 Tryhat wrote:


In other words: He *should* gain hp, but he *doesn't.* That's what people are calling a bug, and that's what you are so angry with them for. Yet you seem to agree with them...

On April 17 2012 06:47 Logo wrote:
It works like that in HoN and hasn't really affected how well kunkka does in competition from what I've seen. In HoN it's (WW bonus damage + base damage + tide bringer damage)*crit damage amount.

Yes they're different games, but still it doesn't seem like the sort of thing to break everything. It's a lot of farm for those items and it still only really gives him the one big initial hit rather than sustained DPS. You're talking about over 5k gold for those 2 items and you'd still need boots and what not on top of that.