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[G]Introduction to watching Competitive DotA/DotA2

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  Kupon3ss   United States. August 17 2011 15:24. Posts 2773Profile # 
Introduction to Watching Competitive DotA

With Gamecom and the world’s first Dota2 tournament days away, almost everybody has heard about the hype of “Dota2”. For many new players or ones familiar with the genre, it might be the first time to see DotA type games played at a truly competitive and world-class level, this guide will try to explain the game to those readers.

Warning: silly amounts of text (am bored during a long bus ride and out of books to read)
Disclaimer: I suck and I wrote this while severely carsick and tired, flame away and I will improve
~

Table of Contents:
Heroes and their roles
Lane Setups
Phases of the Game
Judging the state of the game
How to watch teamfights
Recommended games

Competitive level heroes and their roles

One of the most important thing to understand about heroes in DotA is their role on a team. Western dota players tend to divide all heroes in the 4 general categories of “carry”, “semicarry”, “gank”, and “support” whereas the Chinese use a 1st position – 5th position system to denote a hero’s position on a team.

Tanks?
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Supports (4th and 5th position heroes)
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Gankers (2nd and 3rd position heroes) & Semicarries (2nd and 3rd position heroes)
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Gankers
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Semicarry
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(Hard) Carries
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Lane Setups:
There are many ways to lane your heroes, each one, along with hero picks, will dictate how your lineup will function to a significant degree. The most common modern lane setups are:
3-1-1, 2-1-2, 1-1-1 Dual Roam, and 4 lanes (Jungle)

3-1-1 (trilane)
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2-1-2
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1-1-1 Dual Roam/4 Lanes
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Special Setups
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Stages of the Game

Laning phase
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Midgame
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Late Game
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Judging the state of the game

One of the largest problems with watching any (E )Sport is not knowing what’s going on or who is winning. While the kill counter can sometimes provide information on the progression of the game, it only tells part of the story.

Levels
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Farm
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Towers
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Ward Vision
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How to watch Teamfights
aka making sense of the clusterfuck. Teamfights are one of he cornerstones of DotA play and a absolute treat to watch when understood correctly. Imagine the epicness of a maxed vs maxed battle in starcraft, except with 10 people microing instead of 2, that is a well-executed teamfight.

Actions in Teamfights

In teamfights, some the typical things that need to be done are = Initiation, Aoe, Disable/Nukes, Support Spells, and Physical Dps. Each hero on a team often fills multiple roles.
Initiation
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Aoe Dps
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Disables/Nukes
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Support Spells
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Physical DPS
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Phases of a Teamfight
Pre-Teamfight
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Some recommended games

2009’s translated commentaries
2009 was a top Chinese DotA pro and captain of FTD/LGD, winners of multiple international championships and widely regarded as one of the best players in the world before his retirement in 2010.

FTD vs KS.MY

Possibly the most epic game of dota ever, showcases a 2-1-2 3core strategy against a gank heavy lineup. This was the beginning of Chinese dominance of the scene

Ehome vs LGD

This is rice, 3-1-1 against 3-1-1, much rice happens

Things to add later
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Last edit: 2011-08-19 17:06:58
This is what people who are too lazy to think of a signature do ~壮哉我大酒神~
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 Attakijing   United States. August 17 2011 16:24. Posts 350
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this is really interesting and helpful, thanks
 
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 GhostKorean   United States. August 17 2011 16:42. Posts 2264
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Very helpful to people looking to get into the game
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  Ruscour   August 17 2011 16:46. Posts 5116Profile Blog # 
Well written, could have used this a few years ago :D
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 tube   United States. August 17 2011 16:49. Posts 1197
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great post
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
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  L3g3nd_   New Zealand. August 17 2011 16:50. Posts 9595Profile # 
really nice write up,

this game is also pretty epic

Last edit: 2011-08-17 16:50:27
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
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 Superiorwolf   United States. August 17 2011 16:57. Posts 5164
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oh haha kupo watched that epic game u linked and just realized u were the one who made the post ^^ yeay
Check out my stream at www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=315053 and follow me on Twitter @EGSuppy! :)
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 ArchDC   Malaysia. August 17 2011 17:53. Posts 1198
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Good post, love the vids on 2009 talks dota!
Hopes SC2 becomes as exciting as BW w expansions
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  ishcabibel   August 17 2011 18:07. Posts 3Profile # 
This is not a good post. The author is a giant chodelick and has a better grasp on his daddys nuts than he does on DotA.
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 bOOgyWC   Germany. August 17 2011 18:34. Posts 149
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thx for this post - very informative. I was wondering what is so interesting about this dota :D
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 lozarian   United Kingdom. August 17 2011 18:45. Posts 631
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On August 17 2011 18:07 ishcabibel wrote:
This is not a good post. The author is a giant chodelick and has a better grasp on his daddys nuts than he does on DotA.


I'd like to think this was just a shining example of what to expect from the general dota community, said in irony, rather than serious.

I'm not that naive, sadly.

But it is.

This is also a decent post to help people new to dota get a general idea of what's going on.
For every battle honour a thousand heroes die alone, unsung, and unremembered.
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  MustBeAnerd   August 17 2011 19:00. Posts 3Profile # 
I agree with Ishcabibel. You kids need to sack off the rat who posted this trash. AFK gotta go work out.

User was banned for this post.
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  ishcabibel   August 17 2011 19:00. Posts 3Profile # 
TL DR: "Get a tank = retarded"

Is hardly introductory nor is it informative this post lacks actual information, all it is, is a mash up of elitist thoughts by some jerk off.

"Gankers gonna Gank"

quote me on this: dope write up bro (insert sarcastic font)

User was banned for this post.
Last edit: 2011-08-17 19:01:44
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  MustBeAnerd   August 17 2011 19:01. Posts 3Profile # 

On August 17 2011 19:00 ishcabibel wrote:
TL DR: "Get a tank = retarded"

Is hardly introductory nor is it informative this post lacks actual information all it is, is a mash up of elitist thoughts by some jerk off.

"Gankers gonna Gank"

quote me on this: dope write up bro (insert sarcastic font)


fag
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  MustBeAnerd   August 17 2011 19:02. Posts 3Profile # 

On August 17 2011 19:01 MustBeAnerd wrote:

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fag



shut up
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  ishcabibel   August 17 2011 19:02. Posts 3Profile # 
@MustBeANerd

more like. Must be a Turd.

get wrecked kid.
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 lagmaster   United States. August 17 2011 19:03. Posts 281
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What is a thunderhammer? My googlefu was weak tonight and unable to produce results.
 
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  Kupon3ss   United States. August 17 2011 19:38. Posts 2773Profile # 

On August 17 2011 19:03 lagmaster wrote:
What is a thunderhammer? My googlefu was weak tonight and unable to produce results.


Its an inside joke for people from the DotA/Hon thread, it refers to mjollnir and no, its not actually a good item at all
This is what people who are too lazy to think of a signature do ~壮哉我大酒神~
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 rabidch   Singapore. August 17 2011 19:48. Posts 8093
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Needs go over teamfight execution other than that looks good
thug life.
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  Kupon3ss   United States. August 17 2011 21:09. Posts 2773Profile # 

On August 17 2011 19:48 rabidch wrote:
Needs go over teamfight execution other than that looks good


knew i forgot something fairly important and extremely hard to explain
....the clusterfucks that often occur...
This is what people who are too lazy to think of a signature do ~壮哉我大酒神~
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