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| rabidch Singapore. August 31 2011 01:12. Posts 8069 | Profile # |
On August 31 2011 00:59 lozarian wrote:
Doom basically says "you see this hero? This one right here, He does nothing in a team fight" and "I'm going to farm my balls off, and you can't do much about it"
If neither of those things worry you, then doom isn't that much of a big deal. If you have a strategy that can either bail on teamfights easily and then re-engage later, or have extreme early slash early/mid pushing, then it's not too bad, but you have to deal with the fact that scorched earth is one of the most annoying anti-push spells in the game.
Similarly if you have significant early -armour, you can take doom down really quite fast - his armour till he gets some items is pathetic.
He also is passively laneable, at least until 6. Not much control at all, and is focusing on last hits, if you have a key hero that hits 6 and then runs around making life hell for all and sundry, that can work too.
I still dislike giving him to anyone though, if only because he farms so damn fast and can shut someone down pretty much 100%
he is still dangerous at level 5 because of lvldeath, dont assume everybody goes the same doom builds
hes also effective in certain gank train lineups because of movement speed aura + good aoe dots |
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| NB Canada. August 31 2011 01:13. Posts 6985 | Profile Blog # |
| well you want the enemy to get a carrier when you are executing some push strat. Just pick a tons of pusher like rashta, pugna, furion and try to win around 25 min. doom is so useless until he got rad. You can even deny doom ultimate kill if you are good enough. |
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| rabidch Singapore. August 31 2011 01:23. Posts 8069 | Profile # |
On August 31 2011 01:13 NB wrote:
well you want the enemy to get a carrier when you are executing some push strat. Just pick a tons of pusher like rashta, pugna, furion and try to win around 25 min. doom is so useless until he got rad. You can even deny doom ultimate kill if you are good enough.
good drafters know when to spot push strats and try to deal with them. after that its up to how teams play. you cant pick those heroes and expect to win in 25 minutes with the dota 1 hero pool against a good drafter unless the teams skill levels are far apart, or there are huge blunders made in game |
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| XnG_777 August 31 2011 08:30. Posts 467 | Profile # | |
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| Drowsy United States. August 31 2011 15:31. Posts 4826 | Profile Blog # |
Probably not question that should be asked here, but it feels semi-appropriate.
How large are the Dota1, Hon, and LofL communities comparatively right now? I read somewhere that HoN has a following that is significantly smaller than LoL. I find this shocking. I've only been playing it about 2.5 weeks, but I thought HoN was a very faithful adaptation of dota with lots of good design and balance changes, I'm kind of shocked there are so few players.
Is competitive Dota1 still played right now? How big is that community compared to HoN and LoL?
Obviously dota1 skill will have the most direct translation to dota 2 skill, but will HoN have more carryover to dota2 than LoL? |
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 Kupon3ss United States. August 31 2011 15:58. Posts 2770 | Profile # |
On August 31 2011 15:31 Drowsy wrote:
Probably not question that should be asked here, but it feels semi-appropriate.
How large are the Dota1, Hon, and LofL communities comparatively right now? I read somewhere that HoN has a following that is significantly smaller than LoL. I find this shocking. I've only been playing it about 2.5 weeks, but I thought HoN was a very faithful adaptation of dota with lots of good design and balance changes, I'm kind of shocked there are so few players.
Is competitive Dota1 still played right now? How big is that community compared to HoN and LoL?
Obviously dota1 skill will have the most direct translation to dota 2 skill, but will HoN have more carryover to dota2 than LoL?
Hon community is ~50,000 on at the same time at peak, LoL is around 5-10x that size, though far fewer at "competitive levels", is still much, much bigger than hon
competitive dota is still played, mostly in China, SEA, and Euro as the 3 main regions of concentration, the problem with DotA is that its spread over many platforms, just in EU for example, there's Bnet, Garena, ICCup, DotaCash, and other misc. platforms. Though the numbers are at least in the millions for EU,
The Chinese Dota scene is huge, probably at least 10 million active players
I don't know how big it is is SEA, but i'd imagine also at least in millions
(total probably around 20 million active players worldwide, bigger than lol and much bigger than Hon)
While you have to relearn a lot of things, most of Hon skill will transfer over to Dota, as almost everything is at least paralleled, over 50% of heroes and almost every item are direct ports (sometimes with a few tweaks)
I'd imagine that a streamlined and optimized engine for dota2 would feel more like Hon than dota1 even, though the metagame and prevalent strats differ to an extent.
LoL->Dota/Hon actually has quite poor skill transfer, due to the lack of denying, completely different maps/strats/items/heroes, as well as overall pace of the game, you'll have to learn most of the game from scratch if you're coming from LoL |
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| Dead9 United States. August 31 2011 16:09. Posts 2326 | Profile Blog # | |
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 Ruscour September 03 2011 07:33. Posts 5116 | Profile Blog # |
HoN has a lot of new players from LoL trying to get ready for DotA2. The average skill level is probably the lowest it's ever been, so I suppose it's a great time to start out. Pretty much every HoN player is planning to switch to DotA2 on release because of S2. |
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| PepperoniPiZZa Sierra Leone. September 03 2011 11:31. Posts 1185 | Profile Blog # |
| Is it just me or doesn't ICCup work at the moment? And, howcome I never find games on garena? The game lists are always empty ._. |
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| lozarian United Kingdom. September 03 2011 19:48. Posts 631 | Profile Blog # |
| iccup is up now, I couldnt get on earlier but I'm in atm. |
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| nyxnyxnyx Indonesia. September 03 2011 19:53. Posts 1157 | Profile # |
SEA is probably somewhere around 6 digit / low 7 digit registered accounts/summoners.
as for actual players SEA is just...sad |
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| iloveroo Canada. September 04 2011 06:13. Posts 276 | Profile # |
Haven't played DotA or HoN, but I've noticed that the bottle gives hp/mana back which can be drinked 3 times..
So is the Bottle worth getting for every champ or just on specific champs? |
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| mdma-_- Nauru. September 04 2011 06:22. Posts 1040 | Profile # |
On September 04 2011 06:13 iloveroo wrote:
Haven't played DotA or HoN, but I've noticed that the bottle gives hp/mana back which can be drinked 3 times..
So is the Bottle worth getting for every champ or just on specific champs?
heroes.
No its not worth getting on every hero. Its mostly gotten on mid heros who are rather mana dependent, cos u can use the runes to replenish the charges. |
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| ICarrotU United States. September 04 2011 06:22. Posts 218 | Profile # |
On September 04 2011 06:13 iloveroo wrote:
Haven't played DotA or HoN, but I've noticed that the bottle gives hp/mana back which can be drinked 3 times..
So is the Bottle worth getting for every champ or just on specific champs?
Bottle's good for just about every hero that goes mid, you can refill it by traveling to the well or by picking up runes (using and empty bottle on a rune), which also lets you use the rune whenever you want within the next 2 minutes. |
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| Varpulis United States. September 04 2011 06:24. Posts 2356 | Profile Blog # |
is there a way to patch my torrented secondhand copy of WC3 TFT to the most current version of the game? My copy is on 1.21 or something and so i can't watch replays and there's no option to have hp bars always on.
I've already tried the official blizzard patcher and i get an error (I wonder why?  ). I'm trying to learn the ropes of dota in preparation for dota 2, but being unable to watch replays is a big hindrance. |
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| cilinder007 Slovenia. September 04 2011 06:24. Posts 3256 | Profile # |
On September 04 2011 06:22 ICarrotU wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 04 2011 06:13 iloveroo wrote:
Haven't played DotA or HoN, but I've noticed that the bottle gives hp/mana back which can be drinked 3 times..
So is the Bottle worth getting for every champ or just on specific champs?
Bottle's good for just about every hero that goes mid, you can refill it by traveling to the well or by picking up runes (using and empty bottle on a rune), which also lets you use the rune whenever you want within the next 2 minutes.
well some heroes arent that mana dependant early so bottle isnt the best choice |
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| mdma-_- Nauru. September 04 2011 06:26. Posts 1040 | Profile # |
On September 04 2011 06:24 Varpulis wrote:is there a way to patch my torrented secondhand copy of WC3 TFT to the most current version of the game? My copy is on 1.21 or something and so i can't watch replays and there's no option to have hp bars always on. I've already tried the official blizzard patcher and i get an error (I wonder why? ). I'm trying to learn the ropes of dota in preparation for dota 2, but being unable to watch replays is a big hindrance.
http://www.dota-utilities.com/2011/03/warcraft-126-switcher-warcraft-version.html
this should work |
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| cilinder007 Slovenia. September 04 2011 06:26. Posts 3256 | Profile # |
On September 04 2011 06:24 Varpulis wrote:is there a way to patch my torrented secondhand copy of WC3 TFT to the most current version of the game? My copy is on 1.21 or something and so i can't watch replays and there's no option to have hp bars always on. I've already tried the official blizzard patcher and i get an error (I wonder why? ). I'm trying to learn the ropes of dota in preparation for dota 2, but being unable to watch replays is a big hindrance.
http://www.playdota.com/forums/344787/step-1-installing-dota/
Step 2-2: Updating/Patching via manual alternatives
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| Varpulis United States. September 04 2011 06:28. Posts 2356 | Profile Blog # | |
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| NB Canada. September 04 2011 07:31. Posts 6985 | Profile Blog # |
the most recent version of the game (war3) is 1.26.0 but it depends on what system you are using you might have to use different patch. Garena US sever mainly use 1.24d or c mean while dotacash and other use 1.26.0
The reason is after 1.24d, all the war3 patch didnt affect dota map at all so people are lazy to update their war3 and keep on using it. |
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