| dbddbddb Singapore. August 18 2011 13:48. Posts 926 | Profile # |
| Is there a list to all the heroes so far in Dota 2 with what their spells are etc? Like an official one by valve/dota team |
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| NB Canada. August 18 2011 13:50. Posts 6994 | Profile Blog # |
On August 18 2011 13:39 esotericc wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 13:35 Judicator wrote:
On August 18 2011 13:29 esotericc wrote:
Realisitcally, what are the chances of anyone who played dota long ago and wants to come back to Dota 2 being competitive.
I honestly really want to start practicing for this game as I always enjoyed the dota model but just couldn't stand Bnet and no ladder so I went to SC2. I want to come back and try and get competitive to some level in Dota 2 but really don't want to waste my time preparing for it as I was attempting to get competitive in SC2 (realizing that RTS's aren't my bag I am still debating SC2 as a competitive gaming option)
Mindsets matter more than actual skill. There are plenty of "top" players who simply couldn't cut it once the maps switched versions that didn't play to their strengths or required a different approach. Basically, how you approach the game matters far more than how well you play the game if you want to improve.
So its not like starcraft where you are miles and miles ahead just being around for 13+ years and newer SC2 players are likely to never get up to their skill?
no. There still be a huge skill gap in dota but its not at the level of 'un-reachable' if you trying to compare a bronze to Flash.
You need to learn the basic mechanic of a MOBA game such as last hitting, ban pick, creep situation, warding and team work. Then on the high level it is all about decision making as a team and how well you execute it.
Another factor into it is that you need to practice this game as a 'team' instead of an individual such as sc2. Team work is crucial in dota and if you think somehow you can win over MYM, think again since their team has been together since the very beginning of dota. |
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| Judicator United States. August 18 2011 13:50. Posts 5726 | Profile Blog # |
On August 18 2011 13:46 5-s wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 13:44 esotericc wrote:
On August 18 2011 13:41 rabidch wrote:
On August 18 2011 13:39 esotericc wrote:
On August 18 2011 13:35 Judicator wrote:
On August 18 2011 13:29 esotericc wrote:
Realisitcally, what are the chances of anyone who played dota long ago and wants to come back to Dota 2 being competitive.
I honestly really want to start practicing for this game as I always enjoyed the dota model but just couldn't stand Bnet and no ladder so I went to SC2. I want to come back and try and get competitive to some level in Dota 2 but really don't want to waste my time preparing for it as I was attempting to get competitive in SC2 (realizing that RTS's aren't my bag I am still debating SC2 as a competitive gaming option)
Mindsets matter more than actual skill. There are plenty of "top" players who simply couldn't cut it once the maps switched versions that didn't play to their strengths or required a different approach. Basically, how you approach the game matters far more than how well you play the game if you want to improve.
So its not like starcraft where you are miles and miles ahead just being around for 13+ years and newer SC2 players are likely to never get up to their skill?
huh? that logic isnt right at all for both games, even if boxer was around for 13+ years people caught up to him in skill in both BW and SC2
I suppose I worded that wrong. Not entirely sure what my point was, long story short it is going to be possible to be competitive when the game comes out and the community makes the shift? (not immediately obviously but with time)
It'll probably take 6 months at least, but yes it's possible if you learn the right ways.
Major emphasis on the right ways. |
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| TheRealPaciFist United States. August 18 2011 13:51. Posts 895 | Profile Blog # |
On August 18 2011 13:48 dbddbddb wrote:
Is there a list to all the heroes so far in Dota 2 with what their spells are etc? Like an official one by valve/dota team
Right now I believe we only have the DotA 1 list (which can be found on playdota.com), but I would love to see them make an official DotA 2 list, because even though they're the same heroes I enjoy seeing the new models and whatnot.
Question: What is animation cancelling (or rather, what's the point of it?), and can you do it in DotA 2? |
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| NB Canada. August 18 2011 13:52. Posts 6994 | Profile Blog # |
On August 18 2011 13:48 dbddbddb wrote:
Is there a list to all the heroes so far in Dota 2 with what their spells are etc? Like an official one by valve/dota team
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/vHDGp.jpg)
this is the heroes pool in IEM atm.
the skills are basicly the same as original dota and could be found at http://www.playdota.com/heroes |
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| Merikh United States. August 18 2011 14:00. Posts 913 | Profile Blog # |
| Which champions can destroy terrain? I've only noticed Beastmaster and Nature Prophet |
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| GhostKorean United States. August 18 2011 14:01. Posts 2264 | Profile Blog # |
On August 18 2011 13:50 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 13:46 5-s wrote:
On August 18 2011 13:44 esotericc wrote:
On August 18 2011 13:41 rabidch wrote:
On August 18 2011 13:39 esotericc wrote:
On August 18 2011 13:35 Judicator wrote:
On August 18 2011 13:29 esotericc wrote:
Realisitcally, what are the chances of anyone who played dota long ago and wants to come back to Dota 2 being competitive.
I honestly really want to start practicing for this game as I always enjoyed the dota model but just couldn't stand Bnet and no ladder so I went to SC2. I want to come back and try and get competitive to some level in Dota 2 but really don't want to waste my time preparing for it as I was attempting to get competitive in SC2 (realizing that RTS's aren't my bag I am still debating SC2 as a competitive gaming option)
Mindsets matter more than actual skill. There are plenty of "top" players who simply couldn't cut it once the maps switched versions that didn't play to their strengths or required a different approach. Basically, how you approach the game matters far more than how well you play the game if you want to improve.
So its not like starcraft where you are miles and miles ahead just being around for 13+ years and newer SC2 players are likely to never get up to their skill?
huh? that logic isnt right at all for both games, even if boxer was around for 13+ years people caught up to him in skill in both BW and SC2
I suppose I worded that wrong. Not entirely sure what my point was, long story short it is going to be possible to be competitive when the game comes out and the community makes the shift? (not immediately obviously but with time)
It'll probably take 6 months at least, but yes it's possible if you learn the right ways.
Major emphasis on the right ways.
Major emphasis as in if you learn the wrong way you can play for 6 years and still suck ass at the game |
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| rabidch Singapore. August 18 2011 14:01. Posts 8090 | Profile # |
On August 18 2011 14:00 Merikh wrote:
Which champions can destroy terrain? I've only noticed Beastmaster and Nature Prophet
tiny's toss on landing site
clockwork
windrunner, lina |
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| 5-s United States. August 18 2011 14:04. Posts 880 | Profile # |
On August 18 2011 14:00 Merikh wrote:
Which champions can destroy terrain? I've only noticed Beastmaster and Nature Prophet
Out of the heroes in this pool, Darkseer's vacuum will destroy trees near the focal point if it draws in units, and Vengeful Spirit's Nether Swap will destroy trees near her point of origin. In both these 2 cases it's to prevent heroes from being stuck in trees.
Also, Leshrac's split earth (same as lina)Last edit: 2011-08-18 14:05:23 |
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| NB Canada. August 18 2011 14:07. Posts 6994 | Profile Blog # |
On August 18 2011 14:00 Merikh wrote:
Which champions can destroy terrain? I've only noticed Beastmaster and Nature Prophet
bm, furion, ES, tiny, clock(not sure about this), morph(pushing into tree), VS(ulti swap kill trees), storm (not sure if ulti still kill tree at landing point), windrunner, lina, lersharc(not sure) and DS(vaccum)Last edit: 2011-08-18 14:08:29 |
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| Resent Australia. August 18 2011 14:12. Posts 609 | Profile # |
| All heroes CAN break trees, if you teleport to a tower and position the port on top of the trees it will break all surrounding trees(i wonder if this will still happen in dota2?) And there is an item called the Quelling Blade which allows you to chop down trees on use! |
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| Merikh United States. August 18 2011 14:17. Posts 913 | Profile Blog # | |
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| esotericc August 18 2011 14:18. Posts 308 | Profile # |
On August 18 2011 13:50 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 13:39 esotericc wrote:
On August 18 2011 13:35 Judicator wrote:
On August 18 2011 13:29 esotericc wrote:
Realisitcally, what are the chances of anyone who played dota long ago and wants to come back to Dota 2 being competitive.
I honestly really want to start practicing for this game as I always enjoyed the dota model but just couldn't stand Bnet and no ladder so I went to SC2. I want to come back and try and get competitive to some level in Dota 2 but really don't want to waste my time preparing for it as I was attempting to get competitive in SC2 (realizing that RTS's aren't my bag I am still debating SC2 as a competitive gaming option)
Mindsets matter more than actual skill. There are plenty of "top" players who simply couldn't cut it once the maps switched versions that didn't play to their strengths or required a different approach. Basically, how you approach the game matters far more than how well you play the game if you want to improve.
So its not like starcraft where you are miles and miles ahead just being around for 13+ years and newer SC2 players are likely to never get up to their skill?
no. There still be a huge skill gap in dota but its not at the level of 'un-reachable' if you trying to compare a bronze to Flash. You need to learn the basic mechanic of a MOBA game such as last hitting, ban pick, creep situation, warding and team work. Then on the high level it is all about decision making as a team and how well you execute it. Another factor into it is that you need to practice this game as a 'team' instead of an individual such as sc2. Team work is crucial in dota and if you think somehow you can win over MYM, think again since their team has been together since the very beginning of dota.
So basically it WOULD be impossible to get real competitive because of the teams that are already established being top top top where as SC2 good players can jump right into the pro scene if they are good enough. |
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| NB Canada. August 18 2011 14:24. Posts 6994 | Profile Blog # |
On August 18 2011 14:18 esotericc wrote:
Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 13:50 NB wrote:
On August 18 2011 13:39 esotericc wrote:
On August 18 2011 13:35 Judicator wrote:
On August 18 2011 13:29 esotericc wrote:
Realisitcally, what are the chances of anyone who played dota long ago and wants to come back to Dota 2 being competitive.
I honestly really want to start practicing for this game as I always enjoyed the dota model but just couldn't stand Bnet and no ladder so I went to SC2. I want to come back and try and get competitive to some level in Dota 2 but really don't want to waste my time preparing for it as I was attempting to get competitive in SC2 (realizing that RTS's aren't my bag I am still debating SC2 as a competitive gaming option)
Mindsets matter more than actual skill. There are plenty of "top" players who simply couldn't cut it once the maps switched versions that didn't play to their strengths or required a different approach. Basically, how you approach the game matters far more than how well you play the game if you want to improve.
So its not like starcraft where you are miles and miles ahead just being around for 13+ years and newer SC2 players are likely to never get up to their skill?
no. There still be a huge skill gap in dota but its not at the level of 'un-reachable' if you trying to compare a bronze to Flash. You need to learn the basic mechanic of a MOBA game such as last hitting, ban pick, creep situation, warding and team work. Then on the high level it is all about decision making as a team and how well you execute it. Another factor into it is that you need to practice this game as a 'team' instead of an individual such as sc2. Team work is crucial in dota and if you think somehow you can win over MYM, think again since their team has been together since the very beginning of dota.
So basically it WOULD be impossible to get real competitive because of the teams that are already established being top top top where as SC2 good players can jump right into the pro scene if they are good enough.
no, the skill will expire as the player get old just as korean BW scene. Also the game will be constantly changing due to new heroes will be added after balance is achieved which make the 'perfect' strategy is un-reachable.
You should post your question in the general discussion thread since its not a simple question. |
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| Steveling Greece. August 18 2011 14:41. Posts 3113 | Profile Blog # |
You can get in high competitive form even if you're new. I've witnessed that myself.
Some years ago( was it 3 or 4), I was a happy nooblet playing in the old dce league on euro bnet(legendary status btw). A player was standing out more than the others. His name was babyknight. After some months, I started seing his name on top notch reps on ggnet and after a year or so, he joined some pro team. Ah memories lol. Don't forget also that Pis was a notorius pub hero before he got picked up by pros.
So anyway, if you are dedicated you will reach your goals. |
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| lqd United States. August 18 2011 14:47. Posts 103 | Profile # |
| Watched the stream last night. Spectre has 5 level-able skills. Anyone know what they are? |
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| Stoids United States. August 18 2011 14:48. Posts 621 | Profile # |
| What would the "right" way to improve be? I come from a HoN background. Low-mid level player (~1650 PSR) but would like to get to a higher level in Dota2. |
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| Resent Australia. August 18 2011 14:58. Posts 609 | Profile # |
On August 18 2011 14:47 lqd wrote:
Watched the stream last night. Spectre has 5 level-able skills. Anyone know what they are?
He has 4 levelable skills(ill get to the 5th button shortly)
they are:
Spectral Dagger: He throws this in a line which leaves behind the black path, any units it hits on the way will take damage and also leave behind a black path.
Desolate: Passive that makes him deal extra damage(ignores armor?) to units with no nearby allies
Dispersion: Causes any damage taken to be reflected onto all enemies in a 1000 AoE. The further away the enemy is the less damage is dealt.
Haunt: Creates an image beside all enemy heroes that will attack that hero, the image takes 200% dmg and only deals 40% dmg)
Lastly, the 5th button is for 'Reality' which basically allows him to teleport to any of the 'Haunt' images, letting the real spectre take their place. |
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| NB Canada. August 18 2011 15:03. Posts 6994 | Profile Blog # |
On August 18 2011 14:48 Stoids wrote:
What would the "right" way to improve be? I come from a HoN background. Low-mid level player (~1650 PSR) but would like to get to a higher level in Dota2.
it is not a single player game, if you want to improve you need a team.
best way to improve as an individual is choosing your role inside a team, its like race picking in sc2. Focus on playing your role in a team (carrier farming, support warding, etc..) and study replays of pros on the strategy involve team fight.
those are all base on assuming your basic skill (minimap, last hitting, creep situation) are good to go. |
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