[Champion] Pantheon - Page 11

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On December 15 2011 06:00 Two_DoWn wrote:
So how is nasus supposed to farm after the first spirit fire pushes the creep wave to the middle of the lane and pantheon just does pantheon shit and poops on nasus head without having to worry about a turret?

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On December 15 2011 05:59 gtrsrs wrote:
i don't think that's the case
if panth leaves to stomp other lanes, nasus is free to farm
so panth kind of HAS to stay and babysit nasus, lessening his effect on other lanes. and even then it's just like a timebomb, you hammer him all day but eventually he's gonna get that farm and blow your team up

i dunno what to say. i know this is anecdotal but i've definitely seen this happen. it's just extremely hard to get kills against a safe, smart player with teleport. and panth relies on those kills. a good player knows a wave or two of CS won't lose the game in a nasus v panth matchup. like i said, a good panth will stomp a good nasus in solo queue, but a great nasus that REALLY wants to play smart and win, will not die to a great panth.

i should also put an addendum that early ganks will help decide this lane too. wither is one of the best gank-assisting skills in the game and panth has no escapes... but likewise panth has enough burst to kill anyone with a little help and nasus has no escapes...

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On December 15 2011 06:14 Two_DoWn wrote:
Well, I think the argument here is that Guitar is saying that nasus can not die when playing against pantheon, yet still be a viable pick because he eventually becomes useful, not that he beats pants in lane.

Personally, I feel the point is moot. Not dying to pantheon but sacrificing your farm in the process is essentially a pantheon win. His job is to take someone out of the game. If you do it voluntarily, well, you just did his job for him. I mean, even not dying as nasus doesnt mean anything because pantheon can just free farm his facefuck items off the minions, not have to worry about making you sacrifice your own farm because you do it for him, then he can end the game before nasus catches up (which is really what pantheon is all about- no one can say with a straight face that he is an asset to the team past 30 minutes).

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On December 15 2011 06:21 gtrsrs wrote:
a smart team can do the following
nasus with armor runes, cloth + 5 pots top
aggressive, early-ganking jungler ala noc, pirate, skarner, udyr, w/e
solid, hard-to-gank mid, ala karthus, kennen, vladimir

jungler babysits nasus top against pantheon. every 1.5 minutes you have skarner charging into your lane wreaking bloody hell on you. pantheon has 2 choices: play less aggressively, giving up his edge, or be killed by continuous ganks (or be forced back by continuous ganks).

enemy jungler has 2 options: counter-babysit nasus. you now have 2 people dedicated to shutting down 1, and 1 of yours is worthless past 20 minutes, OR exclusively gank other lanes (which is a hard thing against kennen etc) and let nasus farm with the help of his jungler.

neither of those are optimal for pantheon.

you don't need to flame and pull out your e-peen. am i saying nasus beats pantheon and you're a shit player? no, none of the above. am i saying that pantheon can crush nasus if nasus doesn't play the lane right? absolutely. but rhavanna asked for things you can do against pantheon, and this is definitely one of them. i've seen it done, i've done it myself, and i know that it's (tough, but) possible

that's about all i have to say on this topic, you can take your rage elsewhere

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On December 15 2011 05:18 Mogwai wrote:

they've all gone out of style. I would pick solo Malphite, Alistar, or Galio and just play stupidly passive.

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On December 15 2011 09:20 gtrsrs wrote:
my post wasn't intended to be disrespectful smash
You are a great panth but you aren't the end all be all, you need to have a more open mind. Kills are hard to come by in arranged play especially the higher level you get to
A champ that relies on (repeatably) killing his lane opponent to get ahead is going to be focused by enemy jungler. It's that simple
I've made the concession multiple times here that solo queue is different and yes panth is gonna see more success there

I don't even want to get into the respect argument with you here, that's so offtopic and completely unrelated

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On December 15 2011 14:50 gtrsrs wrote:
Absolutely none of my posts were arrogant or stupid. I've raised valid points in a calm respectful way and you and your cronies are just yelling at me mocking me and bashing me for no reason. Just because you've never been to china doesn't mean it doesn't exist, gizbro. Likewise, just because you can beat nasus every time doesn't mean my suggestions are wrong. But please, keep raving. I neverthought of all the dunderheads that post here you would reach this level of craziness. Much respect lost bro

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On December 15 2011 15:41 Two_DoWn wrote:

Generally its a bad idea to claim you aren't being arrogant by calling the rest of us retards.

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On December 15 2011 15:47 Mogwai wrote:
he's just telling one of TL's most consistently high rated players who has been known for playing Pantheon how a good matchup isn't actually a good matchup when great players play it. he wasn't calling anyone retards, he was just saying stupid stuff with such conviction. and god, all he had to do was say "in my experience, Nasus can play passive and not die and I think that's good enough" and I would've been fine having a civil discussion, but jesus tittyfucking christ he had to start talking about "great players" vs. "good players."

w/e, should just be dropped, I'm sure I'll live just fine without gtrsrs's respect and there's nothing productive that can come from this anymore. I've explained why the matchup sucks for Nasus and guitar disagrees for bad reasons, it's an impasse and should just be left there.

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