| Bevan Canada. December 26 2011 05:14. Posts 38 | Profile # |
| Pantheon is pretty much the hardest counter to GP, in my experience. Spears do a ton of damage, his passive blocks Parrrley, and he wins sustained trades too. |
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| Chrispy Canada. December 26 2011 05:27. Posts 2864 | Profile Blog # |
On December 26 2011 05:14 Bevan wrote:
Pantheon is pretty much the hardest counter to GP, in my experience. Spears do a ton of damage, his passive blocks Parrrley, and he wins sustained trades too.
Yep Gp vs Pantheon is pretty much auto lose.
Also I played jungle Pantheon recently and rolled faces. His ganks are really really strong. |
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| Alaric France. December 26 2011 12:04. Posts 9265 | Profile # |
Going into normals for my daily victory, against Akali+Sion top (they had no jungler). I obviously die a horrible death at the first mistake, instruct Rammus never to gank top as it was a dead lane from load screen onwards and they warded it after their first back—and my powerlessness in the lategame doesn't justify the effort to give me some farm. He tries anyway, forces me to commit, give a double kill (and double buff) to Akali (who survived with 41 HP, and Sion ~30 despite ignite. QQ). Well we can't do much more and soon my tower is destroyed and the roamers kill more people and push it into a 20 minutes surrender. Taric rages at me despite the facts (unholdable lane, even with ganks).
Shrug it off, queue up again, get another Akali top... and their jungler LS calling me a noob and predicting how easy a victory my feeding will give them. "Sup Taric." Trade Qs with Akali, have LS come and gank me when it's obvious she can't handle a level 1 fight with Panth oh-so-well. When I realize I'm going to die anyway, I turn around to finish off Akali for fb. I use that death to get wards and another DB, then start zoning Akali all day, dodging LS ganks, and kill her twice once she gets level 6 and tries to down me.
Akali got shut down and was useless for the remainder of the game, while I managed to catch people here and there in between Primordial bursts to the face. LS didn't say anything for the rest of the game and promptly left post-game chat.
I already knew Panth would have the edge against Akali, but finding out that way, and with the added correction that he actually trashes her, totally made my day. You suck at anything involving teamfights (except for clean-up) but it's k, I still love you dude. <3 |
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| Cloud9157 United States. December 26 2011 16:35. Posts 1753 | Profile # |
| I'm curious since I've been seeing a lot more Panths in solo queue. How does he sustain? Do you just buy a Wriggles and call it a day? |
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| deskscaress United States. December 26 2011 16:39. Posts 223 | Profile # |
On December 26 2011 16:35 Cloud9157 wrote:
I'm curious since I've been seeing a lot more Panths in solo queue. How does he sustain? Do you just buy a Wriggles and call it a day?
d-blades preferred over wriggles, and mass pots |
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| GARO United States. December 26 2011 16:55. Posts 1593 | Profile Blog # |
| Sustain = kill enemy all day |
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| Ryuu314 United States. December 26 2011 17:57. Posts 5396 | Profile # |
On December 26 2011 16:35 Cloud9157 wrote:
I'm curious since I've been seeing a lot more Panths in solo queue. How does he sustain? Do you just buy a Wriggles and call it a day?
You don't need sustain when the other guy is always dead 
If you're forced into a sustain match as Panth in top lane you're doin it wrong or you shouldn't be playing that matchup. |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. December 26 2011 23:48. Posts 7991 | Profile # |
On December 26 2011 16:35 Cloud9157 wrote:
I'm curious since I've been seeing a lot more Panths in solo queue. How does he sustain? Do you just buy a Wriggles and call it a day?
You're a burst caster with easy harass. You don't "sustain" on anything besides your opponent's tears. |
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| daemir Finland. December 27 2011 05:53. Posts 3917 | Profile # |
Went to top lane vs irelia, like 3rd game ever on panth and I'm like..yea shaco gank fast pls I prolly lose this. End up killing irelia as soon as I hit lvl 2 which I hit first as I was able to zone her since the get go (even ignited a creep instead of her lolz), then followed with a double kill on her and their jungle under my tower after some chasing around. Dblade opening holy fk! that damage. Game kinda rolled on from there and irelia was stuck around 50 cs when they surrendered :D
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| JackDino Gabon. December 27 2011 05:55. Posts 3296 | Profile # |
On December 27 2011 05:53 daemir wrote:
Went to top lane vs irelia, like 3rd game ever on panth and I'm like..yea shaco gank fast pls I prolly lose this. End up killing irelia as soon as I hit lvl 2 which I hit first as I was able to zone her since the get go (even ignited a creep instead of her lolz), then followed with a double kill on her and their jungle under my tower after some chasing around. Dblade opening holy fk! that damage. Game kinda rolled on from there and irelia was stuck around 50 cs when they surrendered :D
MAN UP!
You'd prolly have a much harder time against irelia starting cloth5 with armour runes, esp if they run tp. Irelia so incredibly annoying. |
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| daemir Finland. December 27 2011 06:04. Posts 3917 | Profile # |
| That's true, that irelia went boots 3, but it was offset by me being a total nablet with mantheon. Never got that jungle gank either, the one time our shaco was gonna dive from behind the turret was when irelia was already 0-3 and I was 4-0-1 (ganked mid with ult) so I just killed irelia under turret before shaco had time to deceive in the distance ^_^ |
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 UniversalSnip December 27 2011 06:05. Posts 4820 | Profile Blog # |
| Yeah yesterday I actually lost the level one trade with irelia. Was still ahead in lane overall but it enabled a gank on me later that made things hard. |
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| Makavw Croatia. December 29 2011 00:56. Posts 132 | Profile # |
How do you win as pantheon vs gp?
I played vs 300 elo less gp (i am 1700) and started doran blade.
He went cloth + 5 and had armor quints/yellow . His parley proceded to do more dmg then my spear due to armor, and in sustained fights I also lost due to his passive.
He managed to first blood me at 3 and then procceded to roflstomp me later  |
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| randomKo_Orean Korea (South). December 29 2011 01:13. Posts 3552 | Profile Blog # |
On December 29 2011 00:56 Makavw wrote:How do you win as pantheon vs gp? I played vs 300 elo less gp (i am 1700) and started doran blade. He went cloth + 5 and had armor quints/yellow . His parley proceded to do more dmg then my spear due to armor, and in sustained fights I also lost due to his passive. He managed to first blood me at 3 and then procceded to roflstomp me later
You aren't playing Pantheon correctly... |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. December 29 2011 01:30. Posts 7991 | Profile # |
On December 29 2011 00:56 Makavw wrote:How do you win as pantheon vs gp? I played vs 300 elo less gp (i am 1700) and started doran blade. He went cloth + 5 and had armor quints/yellow . His parley proceded to do more dmg then my spear due to armor, and in sustained fights I also lost due to his passive. He managed to first blood me at 3 and then procceded to roflstomp me later
How is he trading against you with parley? You get your shield up and it blocks parley. He goes to parley you, you spear him, then you get your shield back up on last hits while you're both on cooldown.
You don't really counter GP, but you lane against him just fine.
Also, even with armor, how is he possibly doing more damage? Pantheon's spear's base damage is x3 more than GP's parley at level 1, more than x2 at level 2, and has 0.4 ad scaling better. None of this makes sense to me. His passive shouldn't be making up for 45 damage at level 1, 60 damage at level 2, 75 damage at level 3 and .4 ad scaling with your shield to take hits.Last edit: 2011-12-29 01:31:27 |
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| Makavw Croatia. December 29 2011 02:05. Posts 132 | Profile # |
I tried to follow the guidlines here and force the level 1 fight, he came out of it waaay better then me and then he proceded to deny me. I couldnt autoattack creeps since he was there and spent evrey parley at me if i came close. And he had frikin 5 more potions and i could only stare with doran .
Spear base dmg is higher, but i only get extra dmg from any AD i get after. He gets base AD on top of his parley meaning that parley did more dmg then my spear at 1 on top of his extra armor from cloth + runes.
I dunno, beeing gp player myself as well i dont see anything that can pantheon do better then gp at solo top , and i so wanted to try him out more :/Last edit: 2011-12-29 02:07:34 |
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| warscythes December 29 2011 04:11. Posts 184 | Profile # |
Quick question here
Is smart casting E a good idea? I tried it for awhile but it just does not feel natural to me, should I keep trying and get used to it or is it better to manually cast it. |
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| cougar22 Canada. December 29 2011 08:14. Posts 75 | Profile # |
On December 29 2011 04:11 warscythes wrote:
Quick question here
Is smart casting E a good idea? I tried it for awhile but it just does not feel natural to me, should I keep trying and get used to it or is it better to manually cast it.
I smartcast it, a lot easier that way in my opinion. Hover your mouse over enemy and press W>E for your combo.Last edit: 2011-12-29 08:14:53 |
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| Ryuu314 United States. December 29 2011 08:20. Posts 5396 | Profile # |
On December 29 2011 02:05 Makavw wrote:I tried to follow the guidlines here and force the level 1 fight, he came out of it waaay better then me and then he proceded to deny me. I couldnt autoattack creeps since he was there and spent evrey parley at me if i came close. And he had frikin 5 more potions and i could only stare with doran . Spear base dmg is higher, but i only get extra dmg from any AD i get after. He gets base AD on top of his parley meaning that parley did more dmg then my spear at 1 on top of his extra armor from cloth + runes. I dunno, beeing gp player myself as well i dont see anything that can pantheon do better then gp at solo top , and i so wanted to try him out more :/
Wat runes are u running? With enough ad/apen runes his cloth armor should do almost nothing for him. Add dblade and u out damage by a large margin. I also guessing that you're tanking creep while he isn't? It's also better to get a couple autos/spears in before u trade sustained harass to get ur passive up faster. I actually like to go in lane and start whacking creep ASAP to get passive charged up and also build a creep advantage. You're going to push regardless of what you do so u might as well get an advantage while u push |
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| Mogwai United States. December 29 2011 10:35. Posts 8053 | Profile Blog # |
On December 29 2011 02:05 Makavw wrote:I tried to follow the guidlines here and force the level 1 fight, he came out of it waaay better then me and then he proceded to deny me. I couldnt autoattack creeps since he was there and spent evrey parley at me if i came close. And he had frikin 5 more potions and i could only stare with doran . Spear base dmg is higher, but i only get extra dmg from any AD i get after. He gets base AD on top of his parley meaning that parley did more dmg then my spear at 1 on top of his extra armor from cloth + runes. I dunno, beeing gp player myself as well i dont see anything that can pantheon do better then gp at solo top , and i so wanted to try him out more :/
build up your passive and block parrrleys. it's really not hard, no idea how you fuck the matchup up tbh =\. sounds like you got scared and blinked first on the level 1 fight (autolose) or picked it where you were eating too much creep agro (which makes no sense vs. GP since he won't commit vs. you and your passive negates his harass trades). |
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