[Champion] Pantheon - Page 24

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On January 10 2012 01:38 Mogwai wrote:

meh, renek never struck me as a problem. spears in the face constantly, run away when he tries to ult and kill you.


uhh, depends how you're going to be playing teamfights. I can see Aegis being fine on Pantheon if you're babysitting your ranged carry and helping him zone in teamfights with HSS, but in cases like this, LW is a higher priority so that your HSS does meaningful damage to tanks. If you're doing standard, GO-BALLS-DEEP-FOR-THE-OPPOSING-RANGED-AD, Pantheon strategy, aegis is a pretty mediocre pick. GA or Mallet should be your defensive item if you're doing that. for whatever it's worth though, babysitting is how I like to play lategame with Pantheon, so I do build aegis from time to time.


Loci and I used to think this was Pantheon's worst matchup. It sucks really hard after a little while, but early it's ezpz. I think one of the keys to not sucking ass in the matchup is to save your W until after he stuns you so that you can re-engage when he puts his shit on CD, as that's the only time you can do meaningful damage to a Sion.


meh, Shikyo's mostly whining, so I'd suggest mostly ignoring him. he considers up 50 CS and a kill advantage not a successful Pantheon game, so there's really nothing to talk to him about with regards to that. I swear, no one knows how the fuck to play Pantheon later in the game, everyone just thinks they're fucking akali 2.0 and dives the whole opposing team onto the opposing carry, no one knows how to use HSS zoning to protect a carry.

interestingly though, I was talking to Neo a few days ago and he was talking about how most GPs consider W a 1-point wonder, which was really surprising to me because even if I'm aggressively dominating a lane with GP, I still max W after Q. GP's W scaling is retarded, with +70 heal, -1 CD, and no change to the mana per level. Whenever I'm having trouble on a lane with GP, I just max W and spam it and NPNP. Now, this doesn't really work if you open regrowth vs. Pantheon, but Armor Quints + Seals building cloth -> wriggle's + ninja tabi -> double gold/10 lets me routinely get my farm as GP vs. Pantheon.

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On January 10 2012 06:40 Requizen wrote:
While the guide focuses on an "AD caster" style of straight damage and more damage, at what point do you consider tanky dps items like Atmog's or Fromallet? Or is it like Riven, where it's better just to ignore your defense and try to hit harder? Not that Pants has a scaling AD shield, but a similar concept.

Basically, is there any point in a game where you think "man, I'm behind, and just GA isn't going to cover it"?

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On January 10 2012 06:47 Mogwai wrote:

mmm, not really. Pantheon is so forgettable as a Tanky DPS that if you find yourself making that sort of concession in your build, you're probably screwed anyway. if I'm behind, faster Last Whisper -> Aegis -> BT and just camp the back of teamfights and try to zone off your ranged DPS with HSS.

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On January 10 2012 18:27 Alaric wrote:
Also, time zones not letting me watch Smash. My thoughts were that lane phase generally doesn't last long after the point where your AD's good enough that HSS outdamages Spearshot, so Q harass always better. But Q's unavoidable if they go the last hit so they might as hell eat it, while they can avoid HSS if they back off. Is there some kind of psychological twist like that in HSS harass, or am I just reading too much into things?

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On January 10 2012 15:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
After watching Smash go Panth for about a week, I would say the biggest difference between him and other (average) Panth is how he utilizes HSS in lane for harass and in team fights as a zoning mechanism for his carries. It's ridiculous how much damage Smash can output.

Panth is not all about QWEQ combo. That's like the most basic tactic Panth has.

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On January 10 2012 19:41 r.Evo wrote:


I have fuck no idea at all how this should look like properly. I want to know about it. For the games I play panth I'm basicly forcing a 4n5 for 10-15minutes and the game has to be won at that point. Using W as a repositioning skill instead of a gapcloser in teamfights already has helped me there a LOT, but I'm pretty damn sure there must be way more potential.

Since I keep missing your streams smash... VOD pretty please? :>

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On January 10 2012 15:39 NeoIllusions wrote:
After watching Smash go Panth for about a week, I would say the biggest difference between him and other (average) Panth is how he utilizes HSS in lane for harass and in team fights as a zoning mechanism for his carries. It's ridiculous how much damage Smash can output.

Panth is not all about QWEQ combo. That's like the most basic tactic Panth has.

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On January 11 2012 00:26 Alaric wrote:
Free week is good. Nobody'll even think about buying him if they fail! \o/

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On January 10 2012 18:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Man I was reading up on the Panth v Morde matchup and like the person who originally had that problem, I'm a baddie who doesn't see how you win when Morde comes to lane with cloth+5.
Sure you can spear him when his shield is down but as soon as he gets W his shield is never down. You can't harass with only shield so obviously you get a few autoattacks in here and there, but then you draw minion aggro from tons of minions. Your last hitting suffers from not being able to stand in the creeps due to fear of E harass and the minion wave builds up, further making harass difficult for fear of eating a billion minion autoattacks.
Ugh.

In theory I get how it's supposed to work from reading what you guys wrote, but I can't see it. Is Dblade start the answer with just insane level 1 harass to throw him off of stuff right away or you're screwed...? I really have to practice this...

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