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| Eishi_Ki Korea (South). January 15 2012 18:43. Posts 1319 | Profile # |
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| Hidden_MotiveS Canada. January 16 2012 15:28. Posts 2019 | Profile Blog # |
| Hey guys... does anyone have any proof that last whisper works with his spear? Because I have a feeling it doesn't. |
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| Ryuu314 United States. January 16 2012 15:31. Posts 5315 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 15:28 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
Hey guys... does anyone have any proof that last whisper works with his spear? Because I have a feeling it doesn't.
All penetration, flat or percent, works with autoattacks and skills depending on the damage type. All sources of physical damage will benefit from armor penetration. As such, Pantheon's Q, E, and autoattacks all work with Last Whisper.
http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Armor_penetration |
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| broz0rs United States. January 16 2012 15:50. Posts 1863 | Profile # | |
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| Hidden_MotiveS Canada. January 16 2012 15:53. Posts 2019 | Profile Blog # |
| I'm testing it right now. I don't think it works. 4 long swords vs last whisper damage. One more trial. Ok I think I was wrong. At level 5 q my pantheon did 266 damage with last whisper vs red lizard. It did 254 damage vs lizard with 4 long swords. Last edit: 2012-01-16 16:03:56 |
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| Mogwai United States. January 16 2012 16:20. Posts 8013 | Profile Blog # |
o_O armor pen works on all physical damage... basic game mechanics.
also, vs. swain, post 6 is rough, but pre 6 you stick it in his pooper in my experience. Panth not like most melee, you can just open boots and get a bunch of free spears on swain. |
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| jacosajh January 16 2012 17:36. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
What do you do vs Morde?
Panth is my favorite champ even before reading this guide. After reading this guide, I feel like I've improved dramatically and face-rolling top now. But I just played vs a Morde that completely stumped me.
It's hard to get a Q in without being in range of his E. And it feels like throwing Q's at a shielded Morde is just wasting mana. His E harass at tower is also difficult to avoid and he can get you low enough to just use R / Ignite at a distance.
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vs a Skarner it just seems like a free farm-fest until Skarner gets beefy enough to tower dive you until you die.
Should I even waste my W E combo (or just E at all)? It seems like it doesn't do as much damage as the two hits or so you could've done during the channel. Plus it just kills minions / pushes so you're more open for a gank. |
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| r.Evo Germany. January 16 2012 18:39. Posts 5207 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 17:36 jacosajh wrote:
What do you do vs Morde?
Panth is my favorite champ even before reading this guide. After reading this guide, I feel like I've improved dramatically and face-rolling top now. But I just played vs a Morde that completely stumped me.
It's hard to get a Q in without being in range of his E. And it feels like throwing Q's at a shielded Morde is just wasting mana. His E harass at tower is also difficult to avoid and he can get you low enough to just use R / Ignite at a distance.
Also:
vs a Skarner it just seems like a free farm-fest until Skarner gets beefy enough to tower dive you until you die.
Should I even waste my W E combo (or just E at all)? It seems like it doesn't do as much damage as the two hits or so you could've done during the channel. Plus it just kills minions / pushes so you're more open for a gank.
Check page 23/24, no need to repeat the entire discussion on Morde. - Well played you rape him hard.
Skarner gets raped early pretty damn hard. He cant lasthit without going into melee range and that's when he hits autos+spears or E. Dno how you can call that freefarm. |
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| sylverfyre United States. January 17 2012 03:45. Posts 4135 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 15:53 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:
I'm testing it right now. I don't think it works. 4 long swords vs last whisper damage. One more trial. Ok I think I was wrong. At level 5 q my pantheon did 266 damage with last whisper vs red lizard. It did 254 damage vs lizard with 4 long swords.
Are you also running armor pen masteries, marks or glyphs? Flat pen occurs before % pen, and jungle monsters have low armor. |
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| Alaric France. January 17 2012 05:30. Posts 8756 | Profile # |
HAHAHAHaha... !
Udyr just died against Swain and Ashe, almost killing them, + Soraka that retreated when my engage almost killed her and forced her ult, so with Zilean gone that we couldn't save from Lee Sin, who we killed in retaliation along with Garen who tought his ult would kill my 50% hp 140 MRes, that left both teams as Swain with blue, Ashe, both crippled, and Soraka, hiding behind their 2nd bot tower and considering abandoning it to go heal themselves, facing 500 hp Pantheon, squishy but scaringly bursty TF, and ult-less wounded Alistar. What do?
Mandrop right behind those fuckers and their tower to cut their escape, obviously! Then you get to tank some tower hits while you stun Swain on arrival, get Ashe but not him with HSS, and exhibit your finisher with a spear to Bird's face, while Ali and TF use your aggro-ing of the tower to kill Soraka for the ace then get back to safety.
All in all, that was well worth your heroic sacrifice, forfaiting your... Guardian Angel buff to finish the game.
Fuck yeah!
Always tower dive, never die.
I had to lane against Garen but he was disconnected at the start of the game, LS started cloth+5 and killed his golems, the xp advantage allowing him to be a real bully till I reached level 3. I was able to pull though after that, then Garen reconnected and LS went back to the jungle.
I'm still curious tho, how does Pantheon fare against Garen? If you don't get too close you should be able to stall the ms buff on his Q or just block it (I don't think it blocks the silence tho?), and he can't try to zone you by standing in the creep wave because of Q harass. But if he starts armor and farms his bonus fast, can't he pretty much ignore you if he also uses W whenever you commit to a trade?
Also, I'm tired of always using tho in my sentences (see above  ). Another word I could use w/o resorting to 'on the other hand', 'whereas' and that kind of stuff?Last edit: 2012-01-17 05:32:11 |
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| Ryuu314 United States. January 17 2012 05:33. Posts 5315 | Profile # |
On January 17 2012 05:30 Alaric wrote:HAHAHAHaha... ! Udyr just died against Swain and Ashe, almost killing them, + Soraka that retreated when my engage almost killed her and forced her ult, so with Zilean gone that we couldn't save from Lee Sin, who we killed in retaliation along with Garen who tought his ult would kill my 50% hp 140 MRes, that left both teams as Swain with blue, Ashe, both crippled, and Soraka, hiding behind their 2nd bot tower and considering abandoning it to go heal themselves, facing 500 hp Pantheon, squishy but scaringly bursty TF, and ult-less wounded Alistar. What do? Mandrop right behind those fuckers and their tower to cut their escape, obviously! Then you get to tank some tower hits while you stun Swain on arrival, get Ashe but not him with HSS, and exhibit your finisher with a spear to Bird's face, while Ali and TF use your aggro-ing of the tower to kill Soraka for the ace then get back to safety. All in all, that was well worth your heroic sacrifice, forfaiting your... Guardian Angel buff to finish the game. Fuck yeah! Always tower dive, never die. I had to lane against Garen but he was disconnected at the start of the game, LS started cloth+5 and killed his golems, the xp advantage allowing him to be a real bully till I reached level 3. I was able to pull though after that, then Garen reconnected and LS went back to the jungle. I'm still curious tho, how does Pantheon fare against Garen? If you don't get too close you should be able to stall the ms buff on his Q or just block it (I don't think it blocks the silence tho?), and he can't try to zone you by standing in the creep wave because of Q harass. But if he starts armor and farms his bonus fast, can't he pretty much ignore you if he also uses W whenever you commit to a trade? If Garen starts cloth5 he can ignore your damage, but then he also does no damage and you can ignore him. Panth scales better than Garen. If he doesn't start cloth5 you should be able to bully him pretty well. Even then, you can mess up his Q+E combo by stunning him before he hits u. Also, I'm tired of always using tho in my sentences (see above ). Another word I could use w/o resorting to 'on the other hand', 'whereas' and that kind of stuff?
You should be able to beat Garen. Your stun can mess up his Q+E combo and if he starts cloth5 he won't do any damage to you.Last edit: 2012-01-17 05:34:24 |
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| mr_tolkien France. January 17 2012 05:46. Posts 3333 | Profile Blog # |
Well you should not be able to beat but even destroy Garen. He has ridiculously long CDs and can't answer to your harass. He has a decent lvl1 but yours is better, a better lvl2 but yours is better as well  |
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| jacosajh January 17 2012 06:34. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
On January 17 2012 05:33 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 05:30 Alaric wrote:HAHAHAHaha... ! Udyr just died against Swain and Ashe, almost killing them, + Soraka that retreated when my engage almost killed her and forced her ult, so with Zilean gone that we couldn't save from Lee Sin, who we killed in retaliation along with Garen who tought his ult would kill my 50% hp 140 MRes, that left both teams as Swain with blue, Ashe, both crippled, and Soraka, hiding behind their 2nd bot tower and considering abandoning it to go heal themselves, facing 500 hp Pantheon, squishy but scaringly bursty TF, and ult-less wounded Alistar. What do? Mandrop right behind those fuckers and their tower to cut their escape, obviously! Then you get to tank some tower hits while you stun Swain on arrival, get Ashe but not him with HSS, and exhibit your finisher with a spear to Bird's face, while Ali and TF use your aggro-ing of the tower to kill Soraka for the ace then get back to safety. All in all, that was well worth your heroic sacrifice, forfaiting your... Guardian Angel buff to finish the game. Fuck yeah! Always tower dive, never die. I had to lane against Garen but he was disconnected at the start of the game, LS started cloth+5 and killed his golems, the xp advantage allowing him to be a real bully till I reached level 3. I was able to pull though after that, then Garen reconnected and LS went back to the jungle. I'm still curious tho, how does Pantheon fare against Garen? If you don't get too close you should be able to stall the ms buff on his Q or just block it (I don't think it blocks the silence tho?), and he can't try to zone you by standing in the creep wave because of Q harass. But if he starts armor and farms his bonus fast, can't he pretty much ignore you if he also uses W whenever you commit to a trade? If Garen starts cloth5 he can ignore your damage, but then he also does no damage and you can ignore him. Panth scales better than Garen. If he doesn't start cloth5 you should be able to bully him pretty well. Even then, you can mess up his Q+E combo by stunning him before he hits u. Also, I'm tired of always using tho in my sentences (see above ). Another word I could use w/o resorting to 'on the other hand', 'whereas' and that kind of stuff?
You should be able to beat Garen. Your stun can mess up his Q+E combo and if he starts cloth5 he won't do any damage to you.
Yeah, I was surprised by how easily I could handle Garen with Panth. Anytime he wants to farm he gets a spear to the face. At first, I felt like that was just a waste of mana because of his passive. But if you keep doing it, it prevents him from getting any farm. The more you level Q, the worse it gets too.
If he charges at you wtih Q, you can just Q W E Q combo him for more damage or kite with barely any losses. |
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| barbsq United States. January 17 2012 08:00. Posts 3039 | Profile # |
| garen is actually pretty easy. Unless he's running exhaust/ignite, you can just grab dblade and straight up fight him at level 1 and win pretty much every time |
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| Mogwai United States. January 17 2012 09:47. Posts 8013 | Profile Blog # |
| garen matchup is bad for garen because your passive blocks the bonus damage on his Q. |
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 UniversalSnip January 17 2012 09:50. Posts 4820 | Profile Blog # |
| yeah you basically hard counter him. |
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| Mogwai United States. January 17 2012 10:14. Posts 8013 | Profile Blog # |
| I wouldn't say it's a hard counter, but it's pretty good for Pantheon IMO. |
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| ZERG_RUSSIAN January 18 2012 01:45. Posts 5099 | Profile Blog # |
| I don't think I'd ever use E on Garen as Panth unless it was going to kill him immediately or zone him off of creeps really hard. |
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| Alzadar Canada. January 18 2012 14:01. Posts 984 | Profile Blog # |
| Oh damn, tried out jungle Pantheon, so strong. You're really more of a full-time ganker that jungles on his time off than a real jungler though. If the enemy laners play defensively and/or you have bad gank supporters, you're in for a rough time, but with any luck/coordination you get kills galore. Last edit: 2012-01-18 14:01:33 |
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| LoCicero January 18 2012 17:07. Posts 463 | Profile # |
He forgot about that asshole champion that is arguably the most horribly designed champ in the game: Yorick. |
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