| Mogwai United States. February 14 2012 05:49. Posts 8019 | Profile Blog # |
| Probably not. Next Smash stream will probably be Wednesday night, but I plan on streaming a bunch on this 3-day weekend. |
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| Mondeezy United States. February 28 2012 12:10. Posts 925 | Profile # |
Hey all, just started playing Panth and have a question. How do you deal with an armor stacking Irelia mid-game? I was wrecking her until about 15 minutes in, then once she got Wriggles+HoG it became a problem trading. Once she got Randuins I couldn't do jack, but then we started teamfighting and won. Eventually I got more ArPen+Dmg items, but I was just curious about how to deal with that mid-game and not letting it affect your lead? Went from 4-0 to 4-3 vs her. Thanks in advance, and great guide Mogwai  |
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| Dgiese United States. February 28 2012 13:13. Posts 1149 | Profile # |
| Abuse the lead you've edged out and abuse your superior mobility with ult. Chances are if you are 4-0 you will be strong enough to straight up ult their mid under tower, kill them, and escape. Just tell you mid what you're doing, and fire away. This is pretty much always enough to get mid turret, or force dragon. Note: you can do the exact same thing with bot if you want. Oh, and it's also a good idea to clue your jungler i on your plan, so he can be ready for dragon, or soaking up XP top as needed. |
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| Mogwai United States. February 29 2012 02:36. Posts 8019 | Profile Blog # |
On February 28 2012 12:10 Mondeezy wrote:Hey all, just started playing Panth and have a question. How do you deal with an armor stacking Irelia mid-game? I was wrecking her until about 15 minutes in, then once she got Wriggles+HoG it became a problem trading. Once she got Randuins I couldn't do jack, but then we started teamfighting and won. Eventually I got more ArPen+Dmg items, but I was just curious about how to deal with that mid-game and not letting it affect your lead? Went from 4-0 to 4-3 vs her. Thanks in advance, and great guide Mogwai
If she's telegraphing a stupidly high armor build, you basically have 3 options.
1. skip brutalizer and instead rush bloodthirster. after bloodthirster, rush last whisper.
2. build normally and accept that you can't trade with her (farm lane, look for ult ganks).
3. wait for the 2nd armor item (usually whatever comes after wriggle's) and then switch with your AP mid. |
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| HeavenS Colombia. March 03 2012 00:06. Posts 1952 | Profile # |
| wowww props on this guide man i tried it and ive been completely raping lately. thanks!! |
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| anmolsinghmzn2009 India. March 06 2012 12:38. Posts 825 | Profile # |
| How does pantheon fare against wukong and olaf? |
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| GARO United States. March 06 2012 14:15. Posts 1575 | Profile Blog # |
On March 06 2012 12:38 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
How does pantheon fare against wukong and olaf?
He easily beats monkey from 1-6
Don't know about Olaf. |
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| Mogwai United States. March 06 2012 14:59. Posts 8019 | Profile Blog # |
| he wins both those lanes pretty hard, but as with most panth lanes, if he ever gets ganked and set back it becomes pretty rough. |
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| Alaric France. March 14 2012 01:00. Posts 8817 | Profile # |
Smashed (w/o pun) an Udyr who started boots+3, but even while I won all trades and would weaken him little by little, I thought it took an awful lot of time to do so, with turtle being some kind of pain until I got my BFS.
He'd go into turtle as soon as he'd see my Q's casting anim, and whenever I tried to sneak near him to hit before he could react he'd just activate bear instead and run at me (here I stun, step back, kite him because I've got MS quints and we're in the middle of my creeps to hinder his pathing, then Q when he turns back -> he shields, back to square one).
Is Pantheon supposed to beat an Udyr played right (cloth+5 and possibly armor quints for example)? The window between a shieldless Q and a bearstun looks pretty tight, so it's kinda hard to harass and if I ever get caught up in a straight-up fight I expect his tiger stance to shred me. Is the additional time it takes to kill him a set back, or too strong to make him reliably dunked if played right (I sure as hell have areas to improve in myself, like here zone control from his bear)?Last edit: 2012-03-14 01:18:11 |
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| Mogwai United States. March 14 2012 01:08. Posts 8019 | Profile Blog # |
On March 14 2012 01:00 Alaric wrote:
Smashed (w/o pun) an Udyr who started boots+3, but even while I won all trades and would weaken him little by little, I thought it took an awful lot of time to do so, with turtle being some kind of pain until I got my BFS.
He'd go into turtle as soon as he'd see my Q's casting anim, and whenever I tried to sneak near him to hit before he could react he'd just activate bear instead and run at me (here I stun, step back, kit-ue him because I've got MS quints and we're in the middle of my creeps to hinder his pathing, then Q when he turns back -> he shields, back to square one).
Is Pantheon supposed to beat an Udyr played right (cloth+5 and possibly armor quints for example)? The window between a shieldless Q and a bearstun looks pretty tight, so it's kinda hard to harass and if I ever get caught up in a straight-up fight I expect his tiger stance to shred me. Is the additional time it takes to kill him a set back, or too strong to make him reliably dunked if played right (I sure as hell have areas to improve in myself, like here zone control from his bear)?
I tend to beat udyrs pretty hard before wriggle's, but Udyr has all the tools to survive within 20 cs of Pantheon until wriggle's and post wriggle's, it's just GG for Pantheon. Most Udyrs are pretty bad, but a well played one will not lose too badly to Pantheon early and then crush him later. |
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| Alaric France. March 14 2012 01:17. Posts 8817 | Profile # |
| Quoting oneself instead of editing is bad. Last edit: 2012-03-14 01:18:26 |
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| Mogwai United States. March 17 2012 08:07. Posts 8019 | Profile Blog # |
| updated with a vod of 2 games where I played vs. Fiora and Irelia. |
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| Alaric France. March 18 2012 01:06. Posts 8817 | Profile # |
Fiora started boots, does that even count?  By the way, why did you start boots, because of the jungling Udyr on the enemy team, to be able to outrun Bear ganks? |
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| Mogwai United States. March 18 2012 20:48. Posts 8019 | Profile Blog # |
| I more or less quit top because early ganks have been ruining me, so when I do play it, I've just been opening safer items. Also at this level, I don't need to bully people at level 1 to beat them. I can wait for level 3 to start applying real pressure and still win, so the risk vs. reward has been driving me towards boots openings recently. |
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| anmolsinghmzn2009 India. March 19 2012 00:56. Posts 825 | Profile # |
| Smash could you give some advice for laning 'against' pantheon as a non-sustain guy like jax/wukong etc? What are the general things, if any, to keep in mind in order to minimize damage vs a pantheons? Or maybe any typical mistakes a not-so-good pantheon player may make that I can capitalize on. |
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| Mogwai United States. March 19 2012 22:22. Posts 8019 | Profile Blog # |
On March 19 2012 00:56 anmolsinghmzn2009 wrote:
Smash could you give some advice for laning 'against' pantheon as a non-sustain guy like jax/wukong etc? What are the general things, if any, to keep in mind in order to minimize damage vs a pantheons? Or maybe any typical mistakes a not-so-good pantheon player may make that I can capitalize on.
let yourself get zoned off CS but not off XP until level 6 or when you have jungle ganks coming. I mean, really you just don't want to play these matchups, Panth wins them pretty hard. |
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| Mondeezy United States. March 20 2012 02:25. Posts 925 | Profile # |
How do you guys deal vs a Yorick at top, with a jungle Shyv babysitting him?
I played pretty aggro vs him early on, was trading successfully. But once he hit level 4 and was spamming 3 ghouls every time I jumped on him it became a shit-show. Not to mention Shyv would come top at least once a minute--not to much effect, but it was annoying and let Yorick catch up in CS. My jungle came up to gank once..made him blow a flash but not much else(Nocturne was jungle). We ended up winning, but that's because our AD carry completely outclassed theirs and I ended up getting fed off ganking other lanes, not specifically my 1v1 matchup. Halp?Last edit: 2012-03-20 02:26:19 |
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 RaiD.RaynoR United States. March 20 2012 02:28. Posts 284 | Profile # |
sooooooo OP lul pantheon mandrop 1000 damage lulnerfhammer in cumming
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| Mogwai United States. March 20 2012 02:29. Posts 8019 | Profile Blog # |
| nothing to help, that's the matchup. deal with it. |
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| Mondeezy United States. March 20 2012 02:54. Posts 925 | Profile # |
On March 20 2012 02:29 Mogwai wrote:
nothing to help, that's the matchup. deal with it.
Are there any variations to the itemization that could be changed to better deal with it? Once I got BT I was fine, but before that it was near impossible. If not, I guess I'll just bend over and take it in the ass on the rare occasion that I do play him.
Also, does Manth have a straight up counter? I have yet to lose to anyone besides Yorick.Last edit: 2012-03-20 02:56:08 |
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