| Mogwai United States. April 03 2012 03:31. Posts 8012 | Profile Blog # |
| it doesn't block that proc, but I just sit in my creep wave and bully him with Qs since he can't hit his Qs on me. I dunno, matchup hasn't been bothering me at all recently. |
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| Juicyfruit Canada. April 03 2012 03:35. Posts 3477 | Profile # |
| I remember a time where Kennen was one of the few matchups where you couldn't steamroll with pantheon in mid, long time ago. How things have changed :D. Either that or Kennen players are just terrible now. Last edit: 2012-04-03 04:13:30 |
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| Mogwai United States. April 03 2012 04:10. Posts 8012 | Profile Blog # |
| I jumped on Kennens more back then and probably didn't spec MRes at all. I dunno, it's feels easy to win poke trades if you open boots and just Q him and dodge his Qs. *shrug* I can't really explain it, I just know Kennen isn't really bugging me recently. |
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| billy5000 United States. April 03 2012 04:12. Posts 610 | Profile Blog # |
| how does panth do against morde? i'm not too familiar with panth's matchups (i just assume i win most of them), but i had a relatively hard time against a morde after level 6. should i just not pick panth when they go morde top or is there an optimal playstyle/itemization against him? |
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| TwoToneTerran United States. April 03 2012 04:14. Posts 7990 | Profile # |
| Panth is really strong against morde before 6 because his shield is too weak and anyone who's spending hp to do anything in lane is going to get steamrolled if they let pantheon harass them. |
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| Mogwai United States. April 03 2012 04:14. Posts 8012 | Profile Blog # |
On April 03 2012 04:12 billy5000 wrote:
how does panth do against morde? i'm not too familiar with panth's matchups (i just assume i win most of them), but i had a relatively hard time against a morde after level 6. should i just not pick panth when they go morde top or is there an optimal playstyle/itemization against him?
zone him off creeps for levels 1-5 and snowball. Morde cannot fight Pantheon low levels and you should just get a massive advantage before he gets strong enough to do anything. At least that's always how it's gone for me. |
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| Erasme France. April 03 2012 04:19. Posts 4064 | Profile Blog # |
On April 03 2012 04:14 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Panth is really strong against morde before 6 because his shield is too weak and anyone who's spending hp to do anything in lane is going to get steamrolled if they let pantheon harass them.
Except Vlad I guess  |
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| Ryuu314 United States. April 03 2012 04:20. Posts 5311 | Profile # |
On April 03 2012 04:19 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 03 2012 04:14 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Panth is really strong against morde before 6 because his shield is too weak and anyone who's spending hp to do anything in lane is going to get steamrolled if they let pantheon harass them.
Except Vlad I guess
Vlad gets zoned pretty hard by Panth from 1-6. By the time he hits 7 you should have a big lead on him with at least a bruta. Your spears should be chunking him pretty hard by then. |
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| Alaric France. April 03 2012 05:48. Posts 8744 | Profile # |
| Against Morde I've found that the usual tactics (don't stand near the creeps, etc.) work well, and you can either let him charge his shield once to push the wave, then try to zone him, and just spear him before he E's, making significant health damage, but if he starts being hesitating you run the risk of pushing the wave. |
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| Mogwai United States. April 03 2012 05:49. Posts 8012 | Profile Blog # |
| I think most Vlads just spec bad tbh. I think Vlad should be going balls out counter specs to cover early lane weaknesses and then he's pretty fucking impossible to deal with. |
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| Ryuu314 United States. April 03 2012 06:43. Posts 5311 | Profile # |
| How do you deal with Udyr? When I come across an Udyr who runs heavy armor spec with cloth5 I find that I can trade pretty well the first few levels, but once he hits lvl 4-5 I can't do all that much to him due to his turtle shield blocking my spear harass and he has enough sustain to survive pretty well 'til he gets wriggles. If I try to trade autos he just bear stuns me, hits me with tiger proc and runs away. Last edit: 2012-04-03 06:43:36 |
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| panzer April 03 2012 06:52. Posts 78 | Profile # |
On April 03 2012 05:49 Mogwai wrote:
I think most Vlads just spec bad tbh. I think Vlad should be going balls out counter specs to cover early lane weaknesses and then he's pretty fucking impossible to deal with.
very true, i got a special mpen armor page vs wiseguys that try to pantheon me whenever i play vlad or kass. panth is very annoying in the same way as vlad but panth runs out of mana very fast and is very very very easy to bait him as the only way to play panth is to go balls deep agro. after getting tabi his haras is very weak. |
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| EchelonTee United States. April 03 2012 12:53. Posts 3403 | Profile # |
just had a game where I was down 0-2 early in lane vs. sion. I was being camped by Lee Sin from jungle, and soon all our towers got knocked down pretty quickly. I kept on getting focused, so I thought I needed tanky items, but then just thought
"fck it i'll follow this build and get GA, go balls to the wall".
We proceed to win 2 consecutive baron battles and win, I go 19/6/X. I have no idea how panth can get away surviving teamfights with nearly pure damage items but its fn awesome. He's just so good at sticking onto squishy AD/AP carries and finishing them off thanks to his skillset. Thanks for the guide.Last edit: 2012-04-03 12:54:11 |
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| Eishi_Ki Korea (South). April 03 2012 13:03. Posts 1318 | Profile # |
Smash, you should add a section to the OP:
For advice on the Panth vs X matchup, see thread page yy-zz, Morde has been asked too many times its not rly funny anymore (patches haven't changed the matchup at all recently) |
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| Bladeorade United States. April 04 2012 06:33. Posts 902 | Profile # |
I have been playing Pantheon top a shit ton lately. I hadn't played him in forever and my record was 2-8 with him since he was one of the first champs i bought and played back when I was terrible. I have been stomping kids so hard. Not only am I able to win my lane, I fuck over enemy jungler and can win mid.
The only champion I have had trouble with is Nautilus. I have only played it once but he has crazy gank assist between snare popup slow and pull which is something I find Pantheon really struggles with (and the enemy jungler was a Warwick.)
I also know Malphite is a bitch to face but thankfully no one has pulled that on me even when I pick Pantheon earlier than I would like.
I tend to go boots 3 start or dorans blade, ask jungler for a level 2 gank if they have good cc (alistar or udyr generally,) pick up an early kill or zone the shit out of them. I like boots 3 better, easier to get in range since most people start with cloth 5, and then zone while pushing the lane slowly. Go back and buy dorans blade, a ward or 2 and some pots. 2nd back get another dorans ward and pots, when I hit 6 gank mid.
I normally grab a brutalizer and then continue to truck kids. Following the guide still I get a BT and keep on trucking.
After BT i honestly like to go giants belt into atmas, leaving the giants belt and then finishing and MoM. After MoM i build Warmogs and then sell Bruta for LW, or if enemy team is stacking armor I will sell buy a LW and sell Bruta to finish something else.
I have only completed that build 2 times but you are really tanky and your damage doesn't fall off ever. I dont like playing pantheon as an assassin with GA, I don't find the revive on him to be a great thing, he is decent at cleaning up fights but I really feel like I have to carry fights so I find the tanky but still crazy damage build to work well.
I know that sounds like a lot of money late but if you get a good lead on Pantheon it is still really easy to secure kills and objectives so your cash flow is continuous. Anyway thats my thoughts after going 10-2 with him my past 12 games and carrying myself to gold.
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| ZERG_RUSSIAN April 04 2012 19:43. Posts 5087 | Profile Blog # |
| Smash, you still feel the same about dblade first over boots? Lately I've been tending to open boots top and get my boots2 earlier (zerks usually) just so i can win my lane really, really hard. |
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| Mogwai United States. April 04 2012 23:52. Posts 8012 | Profile Blog # |
On April 04 2012 19:43 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Smash, you still feel the same about dblade first over boots? Lately I've been tending to open boots top and get my boots2 earlier (zerks usually) just so i can win my lane really, really hard.
it's about 50/50 on which I open. depends on the matchup and, more importantly, the opposing jungler.
in lane, I'm always getting early ninja tabi or late mercs. I should actually probably use zerkers more in certain lanes when I'm purple (to take small gols), but they mostly feel like jungling boots on Panth to me. |
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| DoctorHelvetica United States. April 05 2012 18:44. Posts 13955 | Profile Blog # |
| I'm playing jungle panth and I really either stomp or feed, never inbetween. Panth seems super dependent on having a team that actually knows what to do when you gank. I've pub'd with 3 teams in a row that were too stupid to dmg wolves and leash blue properly for me |
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| noggnoskill United States. April 06 2012 01:12. Posts 54 | Profile Blog # |
Honestly that's how most junglers tend to work. Except, you know, feeding. You don't really have to feed just because your teammates aren't responding to your attempts to gank.
Unless you're Lee Sin who can do everything from gap closing to finishing people off by yourself you have to rely on your teammates to not be complete idiots to set up a successful gank.
But really, I think Lee Sin is a little bit broken, and comparing him to anyone just isn't even fair. His early game is terrifying, and with 6 items he has almost 400 AD, 160+ MR/Armor, and ~3300 HP. But this is a Mantheon topic for Mantheon. So we gotta talk about chucking spears at people. Like a man.
Pantheon ganks are really scary, especially with dblade start. Every time I've played against one he's gotten at least 4 kills by 10 minutes, but his clear speed is so abysmal that you can just take all his ice cream while he camps the lanes. He's a lot like Nautilus; the ganks are absolutely terrifying if he can get to you, but he has pretty terrible jungle control early on. Generally you don't even want to get a wriggles on Pantheon because everything but the ward and the proc is almost completely wasted. Dblades give you enough lifesteal with the HSS passive and you want to get a BF Sword as soon as possible (unless you're doing some kind of tankier pansy build). Anything in this game can work, but don't expect to consistently perform well against good players with it. |
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| DoctorHelvetica United States. April 06 2012 04:55. Posts 13955 | Profile Blog # |
Usually the only time I die early game is when I get jungle invaded when my team refuses to help or when top/mid doesn't dive when I ask them to
Also, what's the best way to deal with Pantheons dropoff lategame and how should I act in teamfights? Usually I sit back and chuck spears until someone gets low and I can jump on them and combo or I jump on the AD carry as soon as the rest of their team blows all their CC/ults. Am I doing it right? |
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