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I know Tom Bombadil was kind of a neutral figure right? He was just concerned about his forest or whatever | ||
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On September 17 2011 08:43 prplhz wrote: Gollum was clearly evil and the Ents were clearly good, although they were pretty lazy. Ask yourself, would an omnipotent Gollum have sided with Gandalf? Would an omnipotent Treebeard have sided with Sauron? Also, why are we talking about neutral factions when we should clearly be talking about Voldemort and the Ring Wraiths? Gollum wasn't evil. He didn't want to take over Middle Earth or join Sauron or anything he just wanted the ring for himself. It's something to talk about. There's no election so we either have to find something else to talk about or all pile votes onto a random player and see how they respond and what to do about it. How do you suggest we get the Day 1 ball rolling then? | ||
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##Vote Greymist I don't think our mod would hand the ring off to an evil player day 1. It's probably with a Frodo , Bilbo, or Gollum if we have any of those roles. So we know Greymist either has a protown power that is greatly amplified by the one ring, or is part of a neutral/evil faction that needs the ring for some reason. And Chaoser is right. We can't spend this whole game talking about roles. Scumhunting is #1. | ||
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On September 17 2011 09:26 supersoft wrote: what? they gave "good reasons"? So you agree with them, that your question about the ring is scummy, although it was only a joke. You dont need to be nice to people if they vote you for no reason just because they are vets here. There is no good reason this early. The real reason is to start discussions. Kitaman just voted for somebody without saying anything at all, at least we're discussing something now. If bandwagons exist, mafia are drawn to them and the more we talk and the more people vote, the easier it is to catch them. If you're expecting a well thought out scumhunt 10 posts after the day then you should stop because that doesn't ever happen | ||
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the only real use of a confirmed townie is its a center for everyone to claim to | ||
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On September 17 2011 12:54 Navillus wrote: EBWOP: I'm actually curious, I'm still really bad at mafia and I want to know. if you're town it's absolutely pointless to claim VT if you're scum it has a point which is to make people think you're VT thats why | ||
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Wherebugsgo I don't know your metagame but here's what I see. 1. begging for the ring in every post 2. vague allusions to why you want it 3. voting for TranceStorm and FOSing him with no reasons. You're playing absolutely detrimental to town. This is not pro-town play, it is not how we catch scum. It's how shit gets stirred and people always let bad scum like this slide (coag in countless games) because they figure "oh no way scum would act so brashly or bad". ##Vote wherebugsgo At the very least, if you aren't scum, you are a stellar example of how town players should never act | ||
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On September 17 2011 15:17 TranceStorm wrote: I divided your posts into three parts. (1) My point is that the only time a person ever claims is if they have passed the ring on to another player. They don't reveal who that other player is. The mafia don't know who that second player is. (2) Sorry. I don't quite understand what you are getting at here. You wouldn't claim that you just got the ring. The key is that if two successive passes are done - then we have two players who can confirm each other. (i.e. player 1 says that he did pass it to player 2 on turn x and player 2 confirms this). (3) At least my plan is generating important discussion compared to the silly banter thats currently going on. If someone else would like to generate serious discussion, I would invite them to do so. We don't know anything about the ring. Passing it on to scum could have terrible consequences. If we knew exactly what the rings powers were and what powers each player had relating to it then we could maybe form some plan for its use but otherwise this discussion is pretty much off the table. In the lore of LOTR the one ring basically reflects the power of its holder. A simple hobbit like Frodo simply becomes invisible holding it. But a powerful wizard like Saruman or god forbid Sauron could use it to become basically invincible/mind control/etc. And I'm not sure the ring will have evolving powers (just speculating) but hopefully my points be simple to understand 1. We have no idea what the extent of the consequences would be if the one ring were to fall into the hands of an evil player. 2. We have no idea what the ring even does other than the player who holds it or maybe some other role has knowledge. 3. It is not worth risking getting the ring on the wrong side of the town simply to MAYBE confirm a few players. | ||
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On September 17 2011 15:25 Ciryandor wrote: Are you saying that his activity is a good reason why he should be a policy lynch, for being detrimental to village planning and strategy? I sort of agree, but TranceStorm's strategy only means that it exposes townies, because it's easy enough for a scum who cannot wield the ring's power to its full extent to be deprived of it by or pass it to a bigger scum who can actually make use of it if the initial ring-bearer throws it to them, which would blow the whole tactic out of the water. Also, it could have negative repercussions by allowing a nominally cleared scum player to actually take out townies from within. Considering everything that's happened so far I feel pretty comfortable leaving my vote on the player who comes in demands the ring without explanation, mocks the player who calls him out on it, and accuses people of being scum with no explanation. | ||
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On September 17 2011 15:27 TranceStorm wrote: @DrH. Fine, those are valid points. I didn't fully flesh out my plan as well as I imagined it would be and underestimated the risks. But, wouldn't it be a good idea to set the rule that if a player does ever pass on the ring, they reveal its powers? We already know that everyone wants the ring (both town and non-town) so I think it would be beneficial to town discussion to know the ring powers. (if they don't change like you fear they might). That's up to that player. Assuming the power of the ring doesn't change that might not be such a bad idea but then we have all this WIFOM about whether they're confirmed or not and it basically paints a big target on their head for the mafia to hit | ||
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Vain is definitely being antagonistic and the fact that he slipped under the radar for such bad posting isn't a good sign. People seem to be complaining that we're still talking about Gollum or the ring or whatever but most of the discussion on the last few pages is about a lynch so stop complaining. I'm keeping my vote on WBG until I make up my mind. Vain, Drazerk, prplhz are all people I'm looking at. | ||
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"TranceStorm is scum TranceStorm is scum Trancestorm is scum" is not scumhunting. Neither are OMGUS votes based on bad misunderstandings of what another player is saying. You said your first vote/reasons were bad. Yet in that same post you say " I already found you scum, look at TranceStorm." That's some big confidence for a "bad" vote. Cut the bullshit. It's obvious that what ever you are, you're not here to help us. Honestly on Day 1 I'd be more content lynching a pretty sure SK/Third Party player than some gut scum read that is probably wrong and end up killing some VT or power role that is actually helping us. As far as your posting all you are is an annoyance and a distraction. | ||
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On September 18 2011 05:39 wherebugsgo wrote: Are you fucking kidding? Drazerk didn't say anything about me being scum other than "leaning" scum on me. In the same post he says there are "definitely posting restrictions" when participating in a conversation about me talking about the ring in posts I make. Drazerk is scummy. I also think TranceStorm is scummy, I don't think my vote reason was bad, I just didn't explicitly state my vote reason. I wanted it to appear "bad" to promote discussion (which I did, no?) You specifically said this. THIS GUY IS SCUM. He thinks, "wherebugsgo has a posting restriction"=he must be scum. Hey genius, guess what, I'm not scum just because I have a posting restriction. Drazerk never even once implied that you having a posting restriction makes you scum. So no, I'm not kidding my point still stands. He never said or implied it was scummy. Sorry. This entire quoted attack on Drazerk is based on a bad misunderstanding. You didn't say anything about TranceStorm being scum other than he was scum and that was it. It wasn't until way later that you explained your vote (giving us all of one sentence of justification). If that's your basis for voting Drazerk, perhaps you should vote for yourself. Oh I see you're playing bad on purpose to "promote discussion" i.e draw all attention to yourself and make the whole day 1 discussion worthless. Very good town play, bravo. | ||
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but your vote reason on me is even worse than mine. I figured people would pick up on my bad vote | ||
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On September 18 2011 05:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: My vote is on prplhz, at least now. Let's c if anything new comes up before day ends. ##vote prplhz Contributed nothing this game so far now just announcing a sheep vote. Explain why. Why is prplhz more convincing than other candidates? What do you think about the gollum/ring discussion? | ||
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