| pedduck Thailand. September 13 2011 15:55. Posts 418 | Profile Blog # |
| How about we send our prisoner there on a spaceship? |
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| FireS Romania. September 13 2011 15:57. Posts 399 | Profile # |
^sounds like a movie plot :D
or how Australia was formed. |
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| ShadeR Australia. September 13 2011 16:02. Posts 6625 | Profile Blog # |
On September 13 2011 15:47 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 15:39 Setev wrote:
On September 13 2011 15:32 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
On September 13 2011 07:01 zeMoose wrote:
On September 13 2011 06:12 Canucklehead wrote:
I've always wondered how come every time they search for planets that can support life, they go by the conditions which support life as we know it? Isn't it possible that aliens could live in conditions that humans couldn't? They always look for water, but what if a certain type of alien species don't drink water to live and drank something toxic to humans to live?
It's because carbon is one of the few elements known to naturally produce complex molecules which are required for life and all carbon based life needs water to survive. Silicon is another chemical element that can create molecules large enough to carry biological information, but it doesn't have the ability to form chemical bonds with diverse types of atoms, which permits the chemical versatility necessary for metabolism.
On September 13 2011 06:36 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Well humans are to be rulers of His creation
I sure hope we've grown smart enough to completely discard such silly notions before meeting any intelligent alien races.
Probability of aliens = probability of anything which you can't prove. Tell me how you can prove existence of aliens without reproducible observations / interactions. You can't. So until the moment we find aliens, they don't exist. Same argument is used against any kind of afterlife - just because you don't know what happens after you die, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It does and there will be judgement.
What? No proof of aliens = aliens don't exist. No proof of afterlife = there is afterlife, and there will be judgment. (?) Dude, you are contradicting yourself here. Don't antagonize me yet, I'm DO believe there is a Creator, but why is it so hard to believe that the Creator also created other life forms? It doesn't diminish our status as sentient creatures. HE loves us just the same.
Interesting that you believe in a creator, rare among Tl-ers. But yea I see my logical fallacy. Apologies it was an outburst at the apparent faith which so many godless people exhibit towards unsubstantiated, unexperienced things. Btw - can someone explain to me how the big bang works, the probability of it happening and how amino acids became polymers and became cells, which somehow became DNA that is irreducibly complex.
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 Tippecanoe United States. September 13 2011 16:08. Posts 342 | Profile # |
With current technology how long would it take to travel 30 light years? 300 ish years?
Anybody know how fast a space shuttle travels? |
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| gruff Sweden. September 13 2011 16:11. Posts 1966 | Profile # |
On September 13 2011 15:47 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 15:39 Setev wrote:
On September 13 2011 15:32 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
On September 13 2011 07:01 zeMoose wrote:
On September 13 2011 06:12 Canucklehead wrote:
I've always wondered how come every time they search for planets that can support life, they go by the conditions which support life as we know it? Isn't it possible that aliens could live in conditions that humans couldn't? They always look for water, but what if a certain type of alien species don't drink water to live and drank something toxic to humans to live?
It's because carbon is one of the few elements known to naturally produce complex molecules which are required for life and all carbon based life needs water to survive. Silicon is another chemical element that can create molecules large enough to carry biological information, but it doesn't have the ability to form chemical bonds with diverse types of atoms, which permits the chemical versatility necessary for metabolism.
On September 13 2011 06:36 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Well humans are to be rulers of His creation
I sure hope we've grown smart enough to completely discard such silly notions before meeting any intelligent alien races.
Probability of aliens = probability of anything which you can't prove. Tell me how you can prove existence of aliens without reproducible observations / interactions. You can't. So until the moment we find aliens, they don't exist. Same argument is used against any kind of afterlife - just because you don't know what happens after you die, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It does and there will be judgement.
What? No proof of aliens = aliens don't exist. No proof of afterlife = there is afterlife, and there will be judgment. (?) Dude, you are contradicting yourself here. Don't antagonize me yet, I'm DO believe there is a Creator, but why is it so hard to believe that the Creator also created other life forms? It doesn't diminish our status as sentient creatures. HE loves us just the same.
Interesting that you believe in a creator, rare among Tl-ers. But yea I see my logical fallacy. Apologies it was an outburst at the apparent faith which so many godless people exhibit towards unsubstantiated, unexperienced things. Btw - can someone explain to me how the big bang works, the probability of it happening and how amino acids became polymers and became cells, which somehow became DNA that is irreducibly complex.
A religious person having problems with people believing in unsubstantiated, unexperienced things? That's rich...
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| ShadeR Australia. September 13 2011 16:21. Posts 6625 | Profile Blog # |
On September 13 2011 16:08 Tippecanoe wrote:
With current technology how long would it take to travel 30 light years? 300 ish years?
Anybody know how fast a space shuttle travels?
Nasa shuttle travels almost 17500mph so 1 light year would take about 38263 years, 30 light years ... 1147890 years. So little more than 1 million years. methinksLast edit: 2011-09-13 16:22:22 |
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| arbitrageur Australia. September 13 2011 16:25. Posts 1199 | Profile # |
On September 13 2011 16:21 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 16:08 Tippecanoe wrote:
With current technology how long would it take to travel 30 light years? 300 ish years?
Anybody know how fast a space shuttle travels?
Nasa shuttle travels almost 17500mph so 1 light year would take about 38263 years, 30 light years ... 1147890 years. So little more than 1 million years. methinks
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| Tippecanoe United States. September 13 2011 16:27. Posts 342 | Profile # |
On September 13 2011 16:21 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 16:08 Tippecanoe wrote:
With current technology how long would it take to travel 30 light years? 300 ish years?
Anybody know how fast a space shuttle travels?
Nasa shuttle travels almost 17500mph so 1 light year would take about 38263 years, 30 light years ... 1147890 years. So little more than 1 million years. methinks
Well shit i was close no?
Any scientists here can theorize a way for us to travel fast enough to where it would be relevant to explore one of these planets.
We all know travelling at the speed of light is impossible.
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| Ciraxis Australia. September 13 2011 16:44. Posts 400 | Profile # |
On September 13 2011 15:55 pedduck wrote:
How about we send our prisoner there on a spaceship?
You, sir, have stolen the British handbook on colonisation. |
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| Sufficiency Canada. September 13 2011 16:44. Posts 7324 | Profile Blog # |
| 28 light years... that is way too far. |
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| teddyoojo Germany. September 13 2011 16:54. Posts 2405 | Profile Blog # |
On September 13 2011 16:08 Tippecanoe wrote:
With current technology how long would it take to travel 30 light years? 300 ish years?
Anybody know how fast a space shuttle travels?
light travels 7.5 times around the earth in 1 second... |
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| Oktyabr Singapore. September 13 2011 16:57. Posts 955 | Profile # |
Is there anyone here like me who can't resist installing Masters of Orion after reading this?
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| Fubi September 13 2011 16:59. Posts 2122 | Profile # |
On September 13 2011 15:32 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 07:01 zeMoose wrote:
On September 13 2011 06:12 Canucklehead wrote:
I've always wondered how come every time they search for planets that can support life, they go by the conditions which support life as we know it? Isn't it possible that aliens could live in conditions that humans couldn't? They always look for water, but what if a certain type of alien species don't drink water to live and drank something toxic to humans to live?
It's because carbon is one of the few elements known to naturally produce complex molecules which are required for life and all carbon based life needs water to survive. Silicon is another chemical element that can create molecules large enough to carry biological information, but it doesn't have the ability to form chemical bonds with diverse types of atoms, which permits the chemical versatility necessary for metabolism.
On September 13 2011 06:36 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Well humans are to be rulers of His creation
I sure hope we've grown smart enough to completely discard such silly notions before meeting any intelligent alien races.
Probability of aliens = probability of anything which you can't prove. Tell me how you can prove existence of aliens without reproducible observations / interactions. You can't. So until the moment we find aliens, they don't exist. Same argument is used against any kind of afterlife - just because you don't know what happens after you die, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It does and there will be judgement.
Actually, I find this comparison inaccurate. Probability of "Aliens" is higher even tho we haven't actually found them yet. Why? Because these so-called "Aliens" are just life forms living on a planet, and we have a perfect example of that already; us.
Therefore, "aliens" aren't some randomly made up myths like afterlife. Instead, they are logical and rational deductions based on current facts.
Follow this reasoning:
1) Life exists, earth is a proof : Fact
2) Life can potentially exist on planets with similar environment to earth: Fact
3) There are at least 10 sextillion planets in our universe (that is 100 billion x 100 billion): Fact
4) Even if 1 in a million of those 10 sextillion planets have environment similar to earth's, that is 10 billion planets (a conservative estimate, it is actually way more): Scientific/Statistics estimate
5) Even more of those planets have existed before, and countless new ones will be born in the future: Fact
Now given those odds and the fact that life already happened here, is it wrong to derive at a logical deduction that chances of at least ONE of those planets have, had or will have "aliens"?
And my point is, how can you say this chance is same as chance of "afterlife" which is based on nothing? |
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| Fubi September 13 2011 17:04. Posts 2122 | Profile # |
| And about people saying 28 light years is too far and stuff, you guys forgot the fact that we don't actually have to physically be there. All the Electromagnetic Waves travel at the same speed (Light being one of them), so even if we send messages and get a reply back 60 years later, that will still be the biggest breakthrough of mankind. |
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| Pandemona England. September 13 2011 17:05. Posts 9676 | Profile Blog # |
Wow, maybe in my lifetime, we will be able to see another "landing"?
Be super cool if there was/are going to plan missions to these new planets to check them out, would be awesome! |
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| RedTerror New Zealand. September 13 2011 17:14. Posts 741 | Profile Blog # |
On September 13 2011 16:27 Tippecanoe wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 16:21 ShadeR wrote:
On September 13 2011 16:08 Tippecanoe wrote:
With current technology how long would it take to travel 30 light years? 300 ish years?
Anybody know how fast a space shuttle travels?
Nasa shuttle travels almost 17500mph so 1 light year would take about 38263 years, 30 light years ... 1147890 years. So little more than 1 million years. methinks
Well shit i was close no? Any scientists here can theorize a way for us to travel fast enough to where it would be relevant to explore one of these planets. We all know travelling at the speed of light is impossible.
Well time dilates as you approach the speed of light so to you it won't seem like 35 years. |
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| RedTerror New Zealand. September 13 2011 17:15. Posts 741 | Profile Blog # |
On September 13 2011 17:04 Fubi wrote:
And about people saying 28 light years is too far and stuff, you guys forgot the fact that we don't actually have to physically be there. All the Electromagnetic Waves travel at the same speed (Light being one of them), so even if we send messages and get a reply back 60 years later, that will still be the biggest breakthrough of mankind.
The planet probably doesn't even have water, yet alone intelligent life. |
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| scFoX France. September 13 2011 17:16. Posts 245 | Profile # |
On September 13 2011 17:05 Pandemona wrote:
Wow, maybe in my lifetime, we will be able to see another "landing"?
Be super cool if there was/are going to plan missions to these new planets to check them out, would be awesome!
I very much doubt this will happen in your lifetime. Current technology isn't anywhere near advanced enough to make a voyage this big last less than ten thousand years, let alone a few decades. There would have to be political willingness to do so as well ... :/ |
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| Fubi September 13 2011 17:17. Posts 2122 | Profile # |
On September 13 2011 17:15 RedTerror wrote:
Show nested quote +On September 13 2011 17:04 Fubi wrote:
And about people saying 28 light years is too far and stuff, you guys forgot the fact that we don't actually have to physically be there. All the Electromagnetic Waves travel at the same speed (Light being one of them), so even if we send messages and get a reply back 60 years later, that will still be the biggest breakthrough of mankind.
The planet probably doesn't even have water, yet alone intelligent life.
I know, I was just generally speaking for discoveries like these. |
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| JudicatorHammurabi United States. September 13 2011 17:20. Posts 2026 | Profile # |
On September 13 2011 15:57 FireS wrote:
^sounds like a movie plot :D
or how Australia was formed.
Or the StarCraft storyline, perhaps? ;o lol |
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