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| HughJorgen Australia. November 03 2011 08:04. Posts 37 | Profile # |
Wow,
If nobody's said this already I think you deserve an honorary masters in SC2 studies. Make the post 20 times longer for the doctorate :-p |
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| Nemireck Canada. November 03 2011 08:16. Posts 807 | Profile # |
On November 02 2011 10:16 TehTemplar wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 14:46 Cubbieblue66 wrote:
Is it worse to have an APM around 50 or a SQ around 50?
I say sq, because my SQ is usually double my apm.
Neither. When taken out of context, both are completely arbitrary statistics that don't tell you anything meaningful about the skill of the player. Your APM can be 50 but completely wasted on moving 6 lings around the map til you lose. Your SQ can be 50, but you can dominate another player with an SQ of 90 because they're on one base, and you're on 8 base and maxed for 10 minutes.
People need to stop looking at their APM and SQ and wondering why they lost. I can't help but shake my head when I see players say things like "I'm stuck in gold, but my APM is 150 and my SQ average is 90, so really I'm a Low Masters player, but I keep losing to cheese/imba/weird strategies."
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| English United States. November 03 2011 08:17. Posts 444 | Profile # | |
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| Poopi France. November 03 2011 21:51. Posts 4013 | Profile # |
Average SQ from the 18 (well 20 but two of them were all-in with less then 600 income so I took them off) last games :
90.6
Too bad my upgrades are shit every game because of bad hotkey placement for ebays  . |
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| MtlGuitarist97 United States. November 03 2011 22:39. Posts 367 | Profile # |
| My average SQ over my last 5 games was a 76.4 for a High Diamond Terran on NA :D |
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| MrCash United States. November 04 2011 06:07. Posts 1498 | Profile # |
Amazing post.
The title should be "do you play like a pro" because this is the fundamental necessity of becoming good, good micro is the icing for the best of the best. |
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| sAsThark France. November 05 2011 11:01. Posts 26 | Profile # | |
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| LetoAtreides82 United States. November 06 2011 09:11. Posts 1188 | Profile # | |
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| Iksf United Kingdom. November 06 2011 11:46. Posts 369 | Profile # |
Wow that app, though so simple, impressed me a lot, please get it added to OP |
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| sAsThark France. November 07 2011 01:18. Posts 26 | Profile # | |
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| .kv United States. November 12 2011 04:35. Posts 2155 | Profile Blog # |
| I feel like each race has their own macro system like warp gate mechanics (hence why protoss is generally lower in SQ) Do you feel like there should be 3 different equations for the 3 races? |
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 Techno November 12 2011 04:46. Posts 1900 | Profile # |
| Excellent post. I was suprised by the racial differences in workers created (Z>T>P) and in spending(T>Z>P). They arent *exactly* what you'd expect. |
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| Glycerine United States. November 12 2011 04:53. Posts 7 | Profile # |
| Wow simply stunning, great post |
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| Crashburn United States. November 23 2011 21:46. Posts 474 | Profile Blog # |
On November 21 2011 09:03 Solirinn wrote:I know it's been a while since the OP but I want to share my spreadsheet anyway. After I read this post I used a spreadsheet created by The_Austin (I believe). However I thought it'd be nice if some of the data was presented visually and secondly if I could analyse my SQ a bit more (Is my SQ different when I win or lose or in a certain matchup?). Therefore I extended his spreadsheet quite a bit. Here are some images of the most relevant sheets to give you a general idea. [snip] Keeps track of your winratios in your matchups. It still doesn't require much input: you just have to add Average Unspent Resources, Average Income, Result (W or L) and the Match up (P T Z) in the Main sheet (='1v1'). Unfortunately I'm still not very proficient with Excel so after you've added a game (or multiple games), you've got to press the update button on that page as well to get some filters refreshed (which is necessary for some sheets to update their data). This Excel-file contains sheets for the 3 races so you can just pick your's in the '1v1' sheet, or switch between them if you play random. You'll probably notice there are some graphs that represent the same data but visualise it slightly different ('SQ ...' and 'Avg SQ ...' and their second versions 'SQ ... 2'). I meant this so you could decide for yourself which one you wanted to keep/delete, because I couldn't. If you want to delete one of them (or if you want to delete other sheets obviously): don't forget to delete the relevant lines in the macros as well. Link to the file: http://www.mediafire.com/?jvj4t7bqcryysyfp.s. You will be asked if you want to enable macros in this Excel file. You'll need to do this in order for them to work.
Thank you for the spreadsheet. I find it extremely useful. |
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| Nyast Belgium. November 23 2011 22:48. Posts 501 | Profile # |
Wow, that's nice, thanks Solirinn.
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| Akhee Brazil. November 26 2011 05:10. Posts 805 | Profile # |
| edit: blablabla was messing up ".", thank you solirinn Last edit: 2011-11-26 05:28:07 |
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| gavinashun November 26 2011 10:01. Posts 101 | Profile # |
Hi whatthefat
Really awesome analysis, thanks! Seems like a lot of folks have focused on calculating and tracking SQ, and using this as a metric to compare vs. leagues. Which is great.
I'm also interested to do the same for workers produced at a couple different time points through out the game (e.g. maybe 15 min and 25 min, or whatever).
I don't think there is enough info in the OP to do this however. Do you have a benchmark of average workers by race and by league for several time points? I.e. what is the average works at 15 minutes for a gold vs plat vs diamond vs masters Terran ... how about 25 min? How about zerg? Etc.
This would allow us to then track and benchmark this metric as well as SQ.
Thanks and thanks again for the ridiculously cool analysis! |
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