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| wherebugsgo United States. October 08 2011 13:19. Posts 7940 | Profile Blog # |
On October 04 2011 06:43 Mig wrote:
Here are my reads for everyone
People I am very sure are town
Curu
Erandorr
kenpachi
Likely town
supersoft
wbg
Unsure
Forumite
nisani
risk.nuke
sinani
Scamp
Scummy
NC
DropBear
Sevryn
Jcarl
The top 3 I am very sure of 90%+ that they are town. WBG and supersoft I am probably like 75% town on. Any of the rest of them could potentially be scum.
For today's lynch I would probably focus on NC and Jcarl. But it would be fine to pressure any of the people I have on the uncertain and lower list.
Alright, so let me put this out there before I go to sleep:
I doubted Mig's reads earlier in the game because I felt like he didn't consider the merits of Incog/NC being town more. He doubted mine because I pushed Forumite as scum, threw doubts on the lynch of Palmar and took part in the Curu case.
Mig is a better player than I am. If you look at this list, it's clear he knew what he was talking about. After yesterday the only thing on this list that has been established as wrong is NC being town.
I admit that I didn't take his efforts seriously enough until today, when jcarl flipped scum. I was wrong about jcarl and that's my own fault. We should consider the information he provided us (and also go through Erandorr's posts to see if he'd breadcrumbed anything).
The bottom four on that list should be our focus. Those four are basically nisani, risk.nuke, DropBear, and sevryn.
ATM I'm unsure on DropBear because he appeared townie to me yesterday (and keeps saying he's looking for a replacement) but he's done nothing but tunnel Sevryn all game. It's kinda unsettling.
Risk.nuke I feel could swing either way as well.
Nisani is the most likely to be town out of these four.
Sevryn I'm sure is scum.
Finally, on the log situation: I did not fake those logs, and by all means I genuinely believed jcarl was town. He played very similarly (IMO) to how he played in resurrection. I wasn't really around for much of LoTR so I couldn't comment on his play there, but it's clear now that Erandorr probably checked jcarl and that's why he was so adamant about pushing his lynch. I've never seen jcarl play scum and by all means he was never on my radar. My fault for not considering all the possibilities.
These are the logs I have of my conversations with jcarl. I am missing the first log I had with jcarl because my browser crashed. I had 3 conversations total with him, all yesterday. These are the last two.
I'll recheck my inbox to see if I have anything else that would be useful.
+ Show Spoiler [jcarllog1] +Original Message From wherebugsgo:
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> aight
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> you were gonna send me logs right?
[16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> of?
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> your convos with Mig/Curu I believe
[16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> i hadn't spoken with curu
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> just Mig?
[16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, i can send you what i spoke to mig about
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> k sounds good
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> it's always almost impossible to tell whether players had spoken to Curu or not lol
[16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> Curu would always talk to me about things that made it sound like he'd talked to the players
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> rather than hearing through Mig
[16:41] <wherebugsgo> anyway he mentioned he thought you were town based on an argument you had with Mig over whether Incog is town
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> i didn't have an argument with mig
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> more like
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> a very civil discussion
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[16:41] <wherebugsgo> lol
[16:43] <jcarlsoniv_> k, i sent what i spoke to mig about
[16:44] <jcarlsoniv_> learn anything from risk.nuke?
[16:45] <wherebugsgo> to be honest no
[16:45] <wherebugsgo> I can send you the log of our convo if you want
[16:45] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, plz
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> also
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> I've been talking to sevryn
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> really can't tell if he's town or mafia either
[16:50] <jcarlsoniv_> it's risk's first game? O_o
[16:50] <wherebugsgo> yes
[16:50] <wherebugsgo> apparently
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> now keeping that in mind
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn said, don't look into it too much
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> when I told sevryn it is risk's first game
[16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> ?
[16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> teh fack
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> yeah...lol
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> IMO
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn is scumbuddies with Forumite
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> and probably sinani
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> but not 100% on that
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> for now
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to leave my vote on risk
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> and see if sinani shows up and votes him
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i'd like to see how risk flips
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> you want to actually lynch him?
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> i think it being his first game is definitely something we SHOULD take into consideration
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> exactly
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> I mean, he's played like it's his first game
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> for sure
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> "is that scummy?" from your logs with him?
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> lol
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> why the hell
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> I felt like saying
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> why yes
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> yes it is
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[16:53] <jcarlsoniv_> hahahaha
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> but yeah anyway
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> if sevryn is not scum
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> that leaves one of forumite/sinani/dropbear/xt to be the last two
[16:54] <wherebugsgo> err two of rather
[16:54] <jcarlsoniv_> that makes sense
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> how do you plan on finding out if sev is scum? lol
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> I don't believe
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> uhh
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah good question
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> idk
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> do we have a pyro?
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> doubt it
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> not that I know of, anyway
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> ~_~
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> I mean, you're not anything ,are you?
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> nah
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> unfortunately
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah same here lol
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> we lost our medic
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i think
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> and he was probably the only one
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> people see how i play in past games
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> and they're like
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> WOW FUCK THAT HE'S NOT GETTING SHIT
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> loool
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> nah man
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> you're a pretty good player IMO
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i used to be better
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> I can tell you're town
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> got real rusty after my ~6 month hiatus
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> and if you're scum you're playing a damn fantastic game
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> yeah maybe that's what happened to incog lol
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> his mind was just not in it
[16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> has it been a while for him?
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> idk I know he hasn't played recently
[16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> gotcha
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> none of the super vets have
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i gotta say though
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was pretty disappointed with the play of the "super vets" this game
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> rofl
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> only incog is a legendary vet I think
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> he just died due to inactivity
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was expecting to be carried like you carried me in resurrection xD
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> probably RL shit
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> oh dude resurrection
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> lol I loved that setup
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> so baller
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> it was definitely
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> NOT
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> the game
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> to come back with
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> no flip hahaha
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> srsly
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> tbh I like that better
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> first no flip game i ever played
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> psh i don't
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can make cool things happen with it
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i hate not learning things after a lynch
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> like all of it
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> is on scumhunting lol
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> see
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm bad at that
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> meh
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> have some confidence lol
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> IMO even if you're not on the right track
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can tell when something's wrong
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> like honestl
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> incog was such an easy lynch
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> palmar was too. Who defended him?
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> did anyone?
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> me, forumite, incog
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> xD
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> forumite never did it directly
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i knew palmar was an easy lynch
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> he just kept saying "I don't like wbg/jackal lynch I'd prefer Curu/Palmar and I lean Curu"
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> over and over
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> just never quantified his statements
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i may have been a bit bitter with him over LOTR still haha
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> just kept saying he liked Curu better
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> lawl Palmar
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> idk why he hates scum
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> he just rolled over and died
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> as the fuckin pyro
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> anyway
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> let's try to determine
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> [1:37:48 PM] risk.nuke: It just looked so dire with mig getting killed and then curu got himself modkilled
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> this shit
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> oh wow
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> that didn't work at all
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> h/o
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> If you're town I can't let you belive I'm mafia, we can't afford it.
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> wut is that
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> lawl
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> alright
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> you think he's noob town or noob scum?
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> he's either scum or REALLY FUCKING NOOB town
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> like
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> a lot of what he's saying is noob town
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> but there are little things in there
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> that are like
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> "why would he say that if he's town"
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> yes, precisely
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> now did you notice anything weird about the timestamps?
[17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> uh not really?
[17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> convo took 2.5 hours?
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> not a long convo, is it?
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> it's about as long as the one we've had
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> in roughly 25
[17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> why was that?
[17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> he take a long time to respond to everything?
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> indeed
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> this was on skype
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> I went back and replaced his name and my name with our s/ns
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> but otherwise it's unchanged
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> the timestamps
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> if you notice
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> sometimes he takes as long as 6 minutes to respond
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> actually I think the longest gap was 10
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> and then at one point I left cause I was impatient lol
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> and came back 10 minutes later
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> glad that's not suspicious or anything
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> also since skype allows you to see the person typing
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> he would type type type
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> then erase it all
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> then just sit there
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i saw you say something about it
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> like he was over cautious about what he was saying
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> yeah exactly
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> I have no idea why
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> I talked to kenpachi
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> and he was like yeah I do that too, but I don't spend five minutes replying
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> and I was in total agreement...everyone erases a bit
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> but no one does that
[17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> i assume that's why you'd use skype over this though?
[17:10] <jcarlsoniv_> at least, that's a strong reason
[17:10] <wherebugsgo> nah he preferred skype lol
[17:10] <wherebugsgo> tbh with you I never considered that until this guy did it
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> hah
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> but even so he has no opinions
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> even new people have opinions
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> albeit, usually wrong ones
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> right
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> Sevryn has a few opinions
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> but he has no opinion on Forumite
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> which is really weird
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'm about to read that log
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> yeah read it and lemme know what you think, I'll brb
[17:16] <jcarlsoniv_> kinda weird how he avoided forumite til you pressed it
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> yep
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was fine with sinani
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was like "oh wat sinani's in the game wtf?"
[17:17] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> problem is he voted for risk lol
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> so I guess the solution is to lynch forumite today
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> but some people aren't willing to do that today
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> and rather would wait to see if he lives till tomorrow
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> well
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> hmm
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> if he is blue and we lynch him
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> that really really sucks
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> yeah that's exactly why people are war
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> *wary
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> if he lives til tomorrow, we get at least one more night with him
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> to me he's been scum all game so I don't give a shit
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> assuming he's blue
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, he's been scummy to me too
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> yeah assuming he's blue he'll get shot
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> by the mafia
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> for being alive 3 nights in a row
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> when it was obvious he wasn't VT
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> maybe they're just derps
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> no way
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> well
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> and are happier just killing VTs
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> okay yeah I guess that's possible lol
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> they shot a bunch of mutes
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> and the only remaining players in the game
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> are pretty much derps
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> so yeah
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> wtf
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> true
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> also
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> wtf lol so we can't even assume that
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> you told sev i'm only a null???
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> *cry*
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> that hurts
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> indeed
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> don't worry
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> not gonna tell sevryn shit
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> I don't want my reads leaking to scum
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> wink wink
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> wink wink nudge nudge
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> slap
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> =(
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> oh I thought you liked slaps
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> dammit
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> no
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that was you
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> oh right
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> alright so we have sev/risk covered
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> as in we don't fucking know what they are
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> feels like
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that's a common theme
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> yeah
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> this game is absolute trash
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> too many nulls
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> I got warned for posting too much in the thread
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> by kurumi loll
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> i saw that
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> kurumi real troll
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> on scum team
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> lawl
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> bah
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> doesn't want you posting, modkills curu lol
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> both modkills were bs IMO
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> what was the other one?
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> tnkted
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> for not voting in the voting thread
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> oh
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> well
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> tbh
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> if i were to host a game, i'd be super strict
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> like, no warnings for edits and shit
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> yeah I can see the tnkted one but
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz people should know by now
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> true true
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, the curu one sucks
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> i mean, i guess it's fair
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but really fucks us
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> curu actually thought the tnkted modkill was bs lol
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> and his was okay
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> but w/e
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> enough hosting discussion
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> dude
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> we're like
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> super ADD
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> loool
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> now
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> dropbear
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> hey man this has been one of the most productive PMs I've had
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> DB needs to show up
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> or I want him dead
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i agree
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but i don't think it should happen now
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i think we need to watch him closely
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> because
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> sev is right that DB has been tunneling
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> more often than not
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> a tunnel this hard is town on town
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> town on town action
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> aight so let's assume they're both town
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> that leaves us with four
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani risk forumite xt
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani/xt scum or not?
[17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> god idk
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> I mean in this case with this assumption one of them has to be
[17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm not sure what to make of NC's display
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> yeah so I'ma throw another null wrench into the mix
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> gun to head
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> GM's rage seemed to be genuine
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> out of those two
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> i'd say sinani
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> okay I agree
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> but, again, not much to go on
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> xt I think is town
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> because he responded to me in a townie fashion earlier
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> when I asked him for his reads
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> k
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> like
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> aggressive townie fashion
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> however the fact that he had no reads
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> you'd know something about that, eh?
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> he had no reads though. and like...he seemed to lack interest
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> not sure what to pick up on that but I told him to get me reads within 23 hours
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> before lynch basically
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> we can't lynch him today anyway
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> it'd be dumb
[17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> i can imagine being a replacement sucks
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> yeah I agree
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> reading all the shit me incog and NC wrote lol
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> but anyway he seemed to be putting in effort in reading it
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> so I've actually been leaning green on him
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> sinani is absolutely null again
[17:28] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> le sigh
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm curious though
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> if we could get
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> DB and Sevryn
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> in the same IRC chat
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> and see what they start saying lol
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> idk
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> might be
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> a really quiet chat room
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to post this in the thread
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> that they should PM me
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> now, kenpachi accuses me and supersoft
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite soft defends
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> what do you make of that
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi accusing two townies
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> Forumite jumping on the opportunity to mislynch
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi is just careless
[17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> now that you say that
[17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> i vaguely remember that from like a year ago
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> about kenpachi?
[17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> oh lol
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> well
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> I've only played with him twice
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> here and resurrection
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> not much difference tbh
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> I get a townie vibe from him in PMs
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> but you should talk to him
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> you should talk to all these players actually
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> don't mention I sent you
[17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'll see what i can find out
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> although, if kenpachi thinks i'm scum
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> he may not want to say anything at all
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> eh generally
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> the way you talk to someone will convince them of you being scum or town
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> so I'm sure if you just talk to him like we've talked it'll be fine
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> nah man
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> imma be like
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> YO Y U THINK I SCUM
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> aight so
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> this is what I'm gonna do
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> I'm gonna make a spreadsheet
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> with numbers and shit
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> of who thinks who is scum
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> numbers??? no wai
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> then maybe we can identify our mafia that way
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah man numbers and colors and shit
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> why don't you make it a google doc
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah I will
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> ok
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> oh wtf
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> I pressed "create spreedsheet"
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> and it did nothing
[17:36] <jcarlsoniv_> you fail the internets
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> what the fak
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> lol wtf
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> it's seriously not doing anything
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> tried it in chrome and firefox
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> T_T
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> lemme try
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> on fucking IE cuz i'm on a library comp
[17:38] <wherebugsgo> lol
+ Show Spoiler [jcarllog2] +Original Message From wherebugsgo: [17:49] <wherebugsgo___> well that was dumb [17:49] <wherebugsgo___> got booted off chrome somehow [17:49] == jcarlsoniv_ [webchat@198.7.239.20] [17:49] == realname : http://webchat.quakenet.org[17:49] == channels : #loonybin [17:49] == server : *.quakenet.org [QuakeNet IRC Server] [17:49] == End of WHOIS [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> you have [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> so many underscores [17:50] <wherebugsgo___> yeah lol [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> I figured out what was wrong with the thing [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> it's google's "new look" in the doc page [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> switched it to classic and it worked lol [17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k [17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> so you're making it? [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> indeed will start now [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> okay [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> so [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> most likely scum to least likely for you? [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> remaining 12 players: [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> 2. sinani206 3. risk.nuke 4. jcarlsoniv 5. wherebugsgo 7. Nisani201 8. Erandorr 9. NotChezinu/Replaced by xtffc 13. Kenpachi 14. DropBear 15. Forumite 19. supersoft 20. Sevryn [17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhhhh [17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> this is like a fucking IQ test... [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> lawl [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> all of them [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> are below 80 [17:54] <jcarlsoniv_> below 80 what? [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> IQ [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> so basically [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> pick out the dumb townies [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> from the dumb scum game [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> that's what this is hahaha [17:55] <jcarlsoniv_> lovely [17:56] <jcarlsoniv_> gonna take a minute, doing hw at the same time haha [17:57] <wherebugsgo___> k sounds good [17:57] <wherebugsgo___> take your time no rush [18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite/risknuke, sinani, DB, xtffc, supersoft, Sev, Kenpachi, Erandorr, nisani, WBG/jcarl [18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> i guess [18:04] <wherebugsgo___> aight [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> I'll put that in [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> at what point [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> do you cross from unsure [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> to town [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> at WBG/jcarl [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> jk [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhh [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> sev/ken or xt/super [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> probably somewhere between kenpachi and erandorr [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> ah okay [18:06] <jcarlsoniv_> actually, switch kenpachi and erandorr, i don't really have much on erandorr [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> alright [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> so [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> erandor and below [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> is unsure [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> and risk/forumite is scum [18:07] <jcarlsoniv_> how far is that from your list? [18:07] <wherebugsgo___> mmm [18:07] <wherebugsgo___> not terribly far but I think I have more info than you do [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> basically based on what Curu and Mig told me [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately they didn't give me reasons [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm sure they had them [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> you, me, kenpachi, super, erandor, nisani are all town [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> like above 90% on all of you [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately erandor is mute but I have to say his posting in the thread is not scummy at all [18:09] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah that's why i'm unsure on erandorr [18:09] <wherebugsgo___> so basically out of these I'd rank kenpachi as the lowest on being sure because he said you and super are scum for no reason [18:09] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm still like 90 on him [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then we get into [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> xt/DB/sev/sinani [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> who are all derp and could be either [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then forumite/risk of whom I think forumite is 95% scum and risk who is like 70% lol [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> but out of these I'd rank xt the highest, closest to town [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> then DB/sev are equal [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> sinani third to last and then risk/forumite [18:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i can jump on board with that [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> it comes down to determining which FoSes match [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> the DB/sev thing is like??? [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> probably both retard town [18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and we need to see who defends whom [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah exactly [18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and who condemns whom [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> did you notice [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> sevryn glossed over sinani? [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> AND forumite [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he asked if sinani was playing [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> but he didn't answer my question [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he answered it about Forumite when I pressed the issue [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> but he gave me no opinion about sinani [18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i did [18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> i keep getting mixed up with nisani and sinani personally lol [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> lol [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> nisani is town [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> I can almost guarantee that [18:17] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k [18:17] <wherebugsgo___> as for sinani he could be on the moon and I wouldn't know [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> we need to pressure the lurkers [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> weird for me to say cuz i'm kinda one of them [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> at least [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm a thread lurker [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> yeah but you're not a PM lurker [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> not like DB [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> who is both [18:19] <wherebugsgo___> or sinani [18:19] <wherebugsgo___> who just sucks [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> ok, i'm going back to my room [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> save these logs [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz i can't, lol [18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> i'll be back on in like [18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> 5 - 10 minutes [18:20] <wherebugsgo___> alight sounds good
Keep in mind these were all before I talked to DB in PMs. After I talked to DB in PMs I had a strong feeling he was town.
At this point to be honest with all of you the only player I can say I really think is scum is sevryn. After that we've got one scum among 6 players so I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to find the last one if we just pressure everybody.
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| wherebugsgo United States. October 08 2011 13:24. Posts 7940 | Profile Blog # |
Some additional PMs in my inbox from jcarl:
Jcarl deciding Sevryn is not scum (I did not mention to him that I still thought sevryn was scum). He also never provided reasoning as to why he said this.
+ Show Spoiler [jcarl] +
Original Message From jcarlsoniv: Not gonna be here in 30. I have practice.
Show nested quote +Original Message From wherebugsgo: Let's discuss on IRC in 30
Original Message From jcarlsoniv:
I want to take Sevryn off suspect list for now. I was looking through his posts and it just seemed like he was more town oriented.
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Original Message From jcarlsoniv: I'm not sure what to think about NC. It's possible that he's scum, but what you just posted I agree with: it's an easy lynch. He says he's disappearing for 24 hours though, so I guess we won't get any more reads on him. risk.nuke is suspect. Also suspicious of Forumite and Sevyrn. I'm in IRC right now, btw
Show nested quote +Original Message From wherebugsgo:
yo what are your scumreads?
let's chat on IRC?
Jcarl asked me a question following my case post. This was the exchange:
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Original Message From jcarlsoniv: Hah alright. I think supersoft is onto something here. I don't see a reason forumite wouldn't want to shoot sev unless they were both scum. He's hesitating too much to look town right now. I'm gonna chime in the thread once I'm done with class.
Show nested quote +Original Message From wherebugsgo: Just keep lynching through. Suppose sinani flips town, right, then kill Sevryn, then Forumite, then finally one of xt/risk.nuke I believe we have some sort of KP left so even if we mislynch once we're bound to kill all of them.
Original Message From jcarlsoniv:
Question: What happens if one of these people flips town?
Following is the first PM exchange I had with jcarl all game.
+ Show Spoiler [firstPMto/fromjcarl] +
Original Message From jcarlsoniv: As much as everyone thinks Incog is scum, there's still a tiny doubt in my mind. I posted it in the thread and I'll say it again: If he's as good as everyone says he is, wouldn't he know what ordering a kill on prpl would imply? I easily could be wrong (you know my scum hunting capabilities =P), but that doesn't change the little doubt that's sitting in my mind. I'm fairly confident that you are town. You are playing just as you have the last two games I played with you. Although you were wrong about Jackal, I think that's just because there's something between you two that keeps creating a screaming match haha. Forumite seems extremely scummy to me. The whole "fake claiming sniper" thing doesn't sit right. He's being very meh, town-wise. Your reads? (aside from incog)
Show nested quote +Original Message From wherebugsgo:
Sup Jcarl, let's talk a little.
Wanna talk scum?
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| Sevryn October 08 2011 14:10. Posts 694 | Profile # |
On October 08 2011 13:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 04 2011 06:43 Mig wrote:
Here are my reads for everyone
People I am very sure are town
Curu
Erandorr
kenpachi
Likely town
supersoft
wbg
Unsure
Forumite
nisani
risk.nuke
sinani
Scamp
Scummy
NC
DropBear
Sevryn
Jcarl
The top 3 I am very sure of 90%+ that they are town. WBG and supersoft I am probably like 75% town on. Any of the rest of them could potentially be scum.
For today's lynch I would probably focus on NC and Jcarl. But it would be fine to pressure any of the people I have on the uncertain and lower list.
Alright, so let me put this out there before I go to sleep: I doubted Mig's reads earlier in the game because I felt like he didn't consider the merits of Incog/NC being town more. He doubted mine because I pushed Forumite as scum, threw doubts on the lynch of Palmar and took part in the Curu case. Mig is a better player than I am. If you look at this list, it's clear he knew what he was talking about. After yesterday the only thing on this list that has been established as wrong is NC being town. I admit that I didn't take his efforts seriously enough until today, when jcarl flipped scum. I was wrong about jcarl and that's my own fault. We should consider the information he provided us (and also go through Erandorr's posts to see if he'd breadcrumbed anything). The bottom four on that list should be our focus. Those four are basically nisani, risk.nuke, DropBear, and sevryn. ATM I'm unsure on DropBear because he appeared townie to me yesterday (and keeps saying he's looking for a replacement) but he's done nothing but tunnel Sevryn all game. It's kinda unsettling. Risk.nuke I feel could swing either way as well. Nisani is the most likely to be town out of these four. Sevryn I'm sure is scum. Finally, on the log situation: I did not fake those logs, and by all means I genuinely believed jcarl was town. He played very similarly (IMO) to how he played in resurrection. I wasn't really around for much of LoTR so I couldn't comment on his play there, but it's clear now that Erandorr probably checked jcarl and that's why he was so adamant about pushing his lynch. I've never seen jcarl play scum and by all means he was never on my radar. My fault for not considering all the possibilities. These are the logs I have of my conversations with jcarl. I am missing the first log I had with jcarl because my browser crashed. I had 3 conversations total with him, all yesterday. These are the last two. I'll recheck my inbox to see if I have anything else that would be useful. + Show Spoiler [jcarllog1] +Original Message From wherebugsgo:
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> aight
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> you were gonna send me logs right?
[16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> of?
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> your convos with Mig/Curu I believe
[16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> i hadn't spoken with curu
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> just Mig?
[16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, i can send you what i spoke to mig about
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> k sounds good
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> it's always almost impossible to tell whether players had spoken to Curu or not lol
[16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> Curu would always talk to me about things that made it sound like he'd talked to the players
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> rather than hearing through Mig
[16:41] <wherebugsgo> anyway he mentioned he thought you were town based on an argument you had with Mig over whether Incog is town
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> i didn't have an argument with mig
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> more like
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> a very civil discussion
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[16:41] <wherebugsgo> lol
[16:43] <jcarlsoniv_> k, i sent what i spoke to mig about
[16:44] <jcarlsoniv_> learn anything from risk.nuke?
[16:45] <wherebugsgo> to be honest no
[16:45] <wherebugsgo> I can send you the log of our convo if you want
[16:45] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, plz
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> also
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> I've been talking to sevryn
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> really can't tell if he's town or mafia either
[16:50] <jcarlsoniv_> it's risk's first game? O_o
[16:50] <wherebugsgo> yes
[16:50] <wherebugsgo> apparently
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> now keeping that in mind
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn said, don't look into it too much
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> when I told sevryn it is risk's first game
[16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> ?
[16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> teh fack
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> yeah...lol
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> IMO
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn is scumbuddies with Forumite
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> and probably sinani
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> but not 100% on that
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> for now
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to leave my vote on risk
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> and see if sinani shows up and votes him
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i'd like to see how risk flips
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> you want to actually lynch him?
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> i think it being his first game is definitely something we SHOULD take into consideration
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> exactly
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> I mean, he's played like it's his first game
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> for sure
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> "is that scummy?" from your logs with him?
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> lol
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> why the hell
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> I felt like saying
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> why yes
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> yes it is
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[16:53] <jcarlsoniv_> hahahaha
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> but yeah anyway
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> if sevryn is not scum
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> that leaves one of forumite/sinani/dropbear/xt to be the last two
[16:54] <wherebugsgo> err two of rather
[16:54] <jcarlsoniv_> that makes sense
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> how do you plan on finding out if sev is scum? lol
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> I don't believe
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> uhh
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah good question
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> idk
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> do we have a pyro?
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> doubt it
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> not that I know of, anyway
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> ~_~
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> I mean, you're not anything ,are you?
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> nah
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> unfortunately
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah same here lol
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> we lost our medic
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i think
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> and he was probably the only one
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> people see how i play in past games
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> and they're like
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> WOW FUCK THAT HE'S NOT GETTING SHIT
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> loool
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> nah man
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> you're a pretty good player IMO
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i used to be better
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> I can tell you're town
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> got real rusty after my ~6 month hiatus
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> and if you're scum you're playing a damn fantastic game
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> yeah maybe that's what happened to incog lol
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> his mind was just not in it
[16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> has it been a while for him?
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> idk I know he hasn't played recently
[16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> gotcha
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> none of the super vets have
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i gotta say though
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was pretty disappointed with the play of the "super vets" this game
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> rofl
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> only incog is a legendary vet I think
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> he just died due to inactivity
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was expecting to be carried like you carried me in resurrection xD
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> probably RL shit
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> oh dude resurrection
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> lol I loved that setup
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> so baller
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> it was definitely
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> NOT
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> the game
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> to come back with
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> no flip hahaha
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> srsly
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> tbh I like that better
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> first no flip game i ever played
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> psh i don't
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can make cool things happen with it
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i hate not learning things after a lynch
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> like all of it
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> is on scumhunting lol
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> see
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm bad at that
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> meh
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> have some confidence lol
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> IMO even if you're not on the right track
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can tell when something's wrong
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> like honestl
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> incog was such an easy lynch
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> palmar was too. Who defended him?
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> did anyone?
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> me, forumite, incog
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> xD
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> forumite never did it directly
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i knew palmar was an easy lynch
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> he just kept saying "I don't like wbg/jackal lynch I'd prefer Curu/Palmar and I lean Curu"
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> over and over
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> just never quantified his statements
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i may have been a bit bitter with him over LOTR still haha
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> just kept saying he liked Curu better
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> lawl Palmar
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> idk why he hates scum
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> he just rolled over and died
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> as the fuckin pyro
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> anyway
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> let's try to determine
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> [1:37:48 PM] risk.nuke: It just looked so dire with mig getting killed and then curu got himself modkilled
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> this shit
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> oh wow
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> that didn't work at all
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> h/o
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> If you're town I can't let you belive I'm mafia, we can't afford it.
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> wut is that
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> lawl
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> alright
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> you think he's noob town or noob scum?
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> he's either scum or REALLY FUCKING NOOB town
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> like
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> a lot of what he's saying is noob town
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> but there are little things in there
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> that are like
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> "why would he say that if he's town"
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> yes, precisely
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> now did you notice anything weird about the timestamps?
[17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> uh not really?
[17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> convo took 2.5 hours?
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> not a long convo, is it?
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> it's about as long as the one we've had
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> in roughly 25
[17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> why was that?
[17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> he take a long time to respond to everything?
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> indeed
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> this was on skype
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> I went back and replaced his name and my name with our s/ns
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> but otherwise it's unchanged
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> the timestamps
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> if you notice
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> sometimes he takes as long as 6 minutes to respond
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> actually I think the longest gap was 10
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> and then at one point I left cause I was impatient lol
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> and came back 10 minutes later
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> glad that's not suspicious or anything
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> also since skype allows you to see the person typing
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> he would type type type
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> then erase it all
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> then just sit there
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i saw you say something about it
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> like he was over cautious about what he was saying
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> yeah exactly
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> I have no idea why
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> I talked to kenpachi
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> and he was like yeah I do that too, but I don't spend five minutes replying
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> and I was in total agreement...everyone erases a bit
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> but no one does that
[17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> i assume that's why you'd use skype over this though?
[17:10] <jcarlsoniv_> at least, that's a strong reason
[17:10] <wherebugsgo> nah he preferred skype lol
[17:10] <wherebugsgo> tbh with you I never considered that until this guy did it
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> hah
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> but even so he has no opinions
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> even new people have opinions
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> albeit, usually wrong ones
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> right
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> Sevryn has a few opinions
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> but he has no opinion on Forumite
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> which is really weird
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'm about to read that log
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> yeah read it and lemme know what you think, I'll brb
[17:16] <jcarlsoniv_> kinda weird how he avoided forumite til you pressed it
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> yep
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was fine with sinani
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was like "oh wat sinani's in the game wtf?"
[17:17] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> problem is he voted for risk lol
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> so I guess the solution is to lynch forumite today
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> but some people aren't willing to do that today
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> and rather would wait to see if he lives till tomorrow
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> well
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> hmm
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> if he is blue and we lynch him
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> that really really sucks
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> yeah that's exactly why people are war
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> *wary
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> if he lives til tomorrow, we get at least one more night with him
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> to me he's been scum all game so I don't give a shit
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> assuming he's blue
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, he's been scummy to me too
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> yeah assuming he's blue he'll get shot
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> by the mafia
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> for being alive 3 nights in a row
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> when it was obvious he wasn't VT
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> maybe they're just derps
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> no way
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> well
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> and are happier just killing VTs
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> okay yeah I guess that's possible lol
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> they shot a bunch of mutes
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> and the only remaining players in the game
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> are pretty much derps
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> so yeah
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> wtf
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> true
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> also
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> wtf lol so we can't even assume that
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> you told sev i'm only a null???
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> *cry*
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> that hurts
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> indeed
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> don't worry
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> not gonna tell sevryn shit
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> I don't want my reads leaking to scum
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> wink wink
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> wink wink nudge nudge
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> slap
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> =(
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> oh I thought you liked slaps
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> dammit
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> no
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that was you
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> oh right
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> alright so we have sev/risk covered
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> as in we don't fucking know what they are
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> feels like
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that's a common theme
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> yeah
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> this game is absolute trash
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> too many nulls
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> I got warned for posting too much in the thread
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> by kurumi loll
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> i saw that
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> kurumi real troll
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> on scum team
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> lawl
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> bah
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> doesn't want you posting, modkills curu lol
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> both modkills were bs IMO
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> what was the other one?
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> tnkted
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> for not voting in the voting thread
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> oh
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> well
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> tbh
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> if i were to host a game, i'd be super strict
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> like, no warnings for edits and shit
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> yeah I can see the tnkted one but
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz people should know by now
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> true true
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, the curu one sucks
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> i mean, i guess it's fair
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but really fucks us
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> curu actually thought the tnkted modkill was bs lol
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> and his was okay
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> but w/e
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> enough hosting discussion
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> dude
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> we're like
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> super ADD
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> loool
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> now
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> dropbear
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> hey man this has been one of the most productive PMs I've had
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> DB needs to show up
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> or I want him dead
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i agree
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but i don't think it should happen now
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i think we need to watch him closely
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> because
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> sev is right that DB has been tunneling
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> more often than not
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> a tunnel this hard is town on town
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> town on town action
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> aight so let's assume they're both town
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> that leaves us with four
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani risk forumite xt
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani/xt scum or not?
[17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> god idk
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> I mean in this case with this assumption one of them has to be
[17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm not sure what to make of NC's display
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> yeah so I'ma throw another null wrench into the mix
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> gun to head
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> GM's rage seemed to be genuine
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> out of those two
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> i'd say sinani
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> okay I agree
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> but, again, not much to go on
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> xt I think is town
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> because he responded to me in a townie fashion earlier
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> when I asked him for his reads
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> k
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> like
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> aggressive townie fashion
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> however the fact that he had no reads
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> you'd know something about that, eh?
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> he had no reads though. and like...he seemed to lack interest
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> not sure what to pick up on that but I told him to get me reads within 23 hours
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> before lynch basically
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> we can't lynch him today anyway
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> it'd be dumb
[17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> i can imagine being a replacement sucks
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> yeah I agree
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> reading all the shit me incog and NC wrote lol
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> but anyway he seemed to be putting in effort in reading it
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> so I've actually been leaning green on him
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> sinani is absolutely null again
[17:28] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> le sigh
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm curious though
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> if we could get
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> DB and Sevryn
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> in the same IRC chat
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> and see what they start saying lol
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> idk
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> might be
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> a really quiet chat room
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to post this in the thread
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> that they should PM me
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> now, kenpachi accuses me and supersoft
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite soft defends
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> what do you make of that
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi accusing two townies
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> Forumite jumping on the opportunity to mislynch
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi is just careless
[17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> now that you say that
[17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> i vaguely remember that from like a year ago
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> about kenpachi?
[17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> oh lol
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> well
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> I've only played with him twice
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> here and resurrection
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> not much difference tbh
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> I get a townie vibe from him in PMs
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> but you should talk to him
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> you should talk to all these players actually
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> don't mention I sent you
[17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'll see what i can find out
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> although, if kenpachi thinks i'm scum
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> he may not want to say anything at all
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> eh generally
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> the way you talk to someone will convince them of you being scum or town
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> so I'm sure if you just talk to him like we've talked it'll be fine
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> nah man
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> imma be like
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> YO Y U THINK I SCUM
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> aight so
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> this is what I'm gonna do
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> I'm gonna make a spreadsheet
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> with numbers and shit
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> of who thinks who is scum
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> numbers??? no wai
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> then maybe we can identify our mafia that way
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah man numbers and colors and shit
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> why don't you make it a google doc
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah I will
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> ok
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> oh wtf
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> I pressed "create spreedsheet"
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> and it did nothing
[17:36] <jcarlsoniv_> you fail the internets
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> what the fak
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> lol wtf
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> it's seriously not doing anything
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> tried it in chrome and firefox
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> T_T
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> lemme try
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> on fucking IE cuz i'm on a library comp
[17:38] <wherebugsgo> lol Original Message From wherebugsgo: [17:49] <wherebugsgo___> well that was dumb [17:49] <wherebugsgo___> got booted off chrome somehow [17:49] == jcarlsoniv_ [webchat@198.7.239.20] [17:49] == realname : http://webchat.quakenet.org[17:49] == channels : #loonybin [17:49] == server : *.quakenet.org [QuakeNet IRC Server] [17:49] == End of WHOIS [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> you have [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> so many underscores [17:50] <wherebugsgo___> yeah lol [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> I figured out what was wrong with the thing [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> it's google's "new look" in the doc page [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> switched it to classic and it worked lol [17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k [17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> so you're making it? [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> indeed will start now [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> okay [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> so [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> most likely scum to least likely for you? [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> remaining 12 players: [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> 2. sinani206 3. risk.nuke 4. jcarlsoniv 5. wherebugsgo 7. Nisani201 8. Erandorr 9. NotChezinu/Replaced by xtffc 13. Kenpachi 14. DropBear 15. Forumite 19. supersoft 20. Sevryn [17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhhhh [17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> this is like a fucking IQ test... [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> lawl [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> all of them [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> are below 80 [17:54] <jcarlsoniv_> below 80 what? [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> IQ [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> so basically [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> pick out the dumb townies [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> from the dumb scum game [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> that's what this is hahaha [17:55] <jcarlsoniv_> lovely [17:56] <jcarlsoniv_> gonna take a minute, doing hw at the same time haha [17:57] <wherebugsgo___> k sounds good [17:57] <wherebugsgo___> take your time no rush [18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite/risknuke, sinani, DB, xtffc, supersoft, Sev, Kenpachi, Erandorr, nisani, WBG/jcarl [18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> i guess [18:04] <wherebugsgo___> aight [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> I'll put that in [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> at what point [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> do you cross from unsure [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> to town [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> at WBG/jcarl [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> jk [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhh [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> sev/ken or xt/super [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> probably somewhere between kenpachi and erandorr [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> ah okay [18:06] <jcarlsoniv_> actually, switch kenpachi and erandorr, i don't really have much on erandorr [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> alright [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> so [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> erandor and below [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> is unsure [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> and risk/forumite is scum [18:07] <jcarlsoniv_> how far is that from your list? [18:07] <wherebugsgo___> mmm [18:07] <wherebugsgo___> not terribly far but I think I have more info than you do [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> basically based on what Curu and Mig told me [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately they didn't give me reasons [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm sure they had them [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> you, me, kenpachi, super, erandor, nisani are all town [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> like above 90% on all of you [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately erandor is mute but I have to say his posting in the thread is not scummy at all [18:09] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah that's why i'm unsure on erandorr [18:09] <wherebugsgo___> so basically out of these I'd rank kenpachi as the lowest on being sure because he said you and super are scum for no reason [18:09] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm still like 90 on him [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then we get into [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> xt/DB/sev/sinani [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> who are all derp and could be either [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then forumite/risk of whom I think forumite is 95% scum and risk who is like 70% lol [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> but out of these I'd rank xt the highest, closest to town [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> then DB/sev are equal [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> sinani third to last and then risk/forumite [18:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i can jump on board with that [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> it comes down to determining which FoSes match [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> the DB/sev thing is like??? [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> probably both retard town [18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and we need to see who defends whom [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah exactly [18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and who condemns whom [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> did you notice [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> sevryn glossed over sinani? [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> AND forumite [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he asked if sinani was playing [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> but he didn't answer my question [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he answered it about Forumite when I pressed the issue [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> but he gave me no opinion about sinani [18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i did [18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> i keep getting mixed up with nisani and sinani personally lol [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> lol [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> nisani is town [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> I can almost guarantee that [18:17] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k [18:17] <wherebugsgo___> as for sinani he could be on the moon and I wouldn't know [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> we need to pressure the lurkers [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> weird for me to say cuz i'm kinda one of them [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> at least [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm a thread lurker [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> yeah but you're not a PM lurker [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> not like DB [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> who is both [18:19] <wherebugsgo___> or sinani [18:19] <wherebugsgo___> who just sucks [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> ok, i'm going back to my room [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> save these logs [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz i can't, lol [18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> i'll be back on in like [18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> 5 - 10 minutes [18:20] <wherebugsgo___> alight sounds good Keep in mind these were all before I talked to DB in PMs. After I talked to DB in PMs I had a strong feeling he was town. At this point to be honest with all of you the only player I can say I really think is scum is sevryn. After that we've got one scum among 6 players so I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to find the last one if we just pressure everybody. ##vote Sevryn
I dont understand the case on me. I know I have been unactive and I apologize for that.but you say your sure im scum in the middle and then you really think i am scum. which is it? are you sure or do you just really think im scum?
You vote for me and only have two lines in your entire post? a vote post thats 99% defensive seems kinda odd.
also your whole defense here
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On October 08 2011 12:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
I had a feeling you thought I was scum.
That's why I PMed you.
I can't really say anything other than the fact that my play is not consistent with being scum. Yes, I know I haven't had the best reads this game, and for whatever reason people are expecting me to play better (and yes, I admit, I have played badly.)
I've gone on tilt several times this game already and I think that was part of my mistake. Every time I did it I destroyed whatever remained of my ability to reason.
Anyway, tomorrow you guys can decide whether you'd like to win or not. I realize I haven't been much use to you all (and I'll take the responsibility for xt's mislynch) but if you lynch me you'll be down another townie and it's not like that'll help you at all.
is basically you saying dont lynch me guiz im town sorry about my bad play
##vote wherebugsgo
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| wherebugsgo United States. October 08 2011 14:27. Posts 7940 | Profile Blog # |
On October 08 2011 14:10 Sevryn wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 13:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
On October 04 2011 06:43 Mig wrote:
Here are my reads for everyone
People I am very sure are town
Curu
Erandorr
kenpachi
Likely town
supersoft
wbg
Unsure
Forumite
nisani
risk.nuke
sinani
Scamp
Scummy
NC
DropBear
Sevryn
Jcarl
The top 3 I am very sure of 90%+ that they are town. WBG and supersoft I am probably like 75% town on. Any of the rest of them could potentially be scum.
For today's lynch I would probably focus on NC and Jcarl. But it would be fine to pressure any of the people I have on the uncertain and lower list.
Alright, so let me put this out there before I go to sleep: I doubted Mig's reads earlier in the game because I felt like he didn't consider the merits of Incog/NC being town more. He doubted mine because I pushed Forumite as scum, threw doubts on the lynch of Palmar and took part in the Curu case. Mig is a better player than I am. If you look at this list, it's clear he knew what he was talking about. After yesterday the only thing on this list that has been established as wrong is NC being town. I admit that I didn't take his efforts seriously enough until today, when jcarl flipped scum. I was wrong about jcarl and that's my own fault. We should consider the information he provided us (and also go through Erandorr's posts to see if he'd breadcrumbed anything). The bottom four on that list should be our focus. Those four are basically nisani, risk.nuke, DropBear, and sevryn. ATM I'm unsure on DropBear because he appeared townie to me yesterday (and keeps saying he's looking for a replacement) but he's done nothing but tunnel Sevryn all game. It's kinda unsettling. Risk.nuke I feel could swing either way as well. Nisani is the most likely to be town out of these four. Sevryn I'm sure is scum. Finally, on the log situation: I did not fake those logs, and by all means I genuinely believed jcarl was town. He played very similarly (IMO) to how he played in resurrection. I wasn't really around for much of LoTR so I couldn't comment on his play there, but it's clear now that Erandorr probably checked jcarl and that's why he was so adamant about pushing his lynch. I've never seen jcarl play scum and by all means he was never on my radar. My fault for not considering all the possibilities. These are the logs I have of my conversations with jcarl. I am missing the first log I had with jcarl because my browser crashed. I had 3 conversations total with him, all yesterday. These are the last two. I'll recheck my inbox to see if I have anything else that would be useful. + Show Spoiler [jcarllog1] +Original Message From wherebugsgo:
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> aight
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> you were gonna send me logs right?
[16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> of?
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> your convos with Mig/Curu I believe
[16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> i hadn't spoken with curu
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> just Mig?
[16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, i can send you what i spoke to mig about
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> k sounds good
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> it's always almost impossible to tell whether players had spoken to Curu or not lol
[16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> Curu would always talk to me about things that made it sound like he'd talked to the players
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> rather than hearing through Mig
[16:41] <wherebugsgo> anyway he mentioned he thought you were town based on an argument you had with Mig over whether Incog is town
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> i didn't have an argument with mig
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> more like
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> a very civil discussion
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[16:41] <wherebugsgo> lol
[16:43] <jcarlsoniv_> k, i sent what i spoke to mig about
[16:44] <jcarlsoniv_> learn anything from risk.nuke?
[16:45] <wherebugsgo> to be honest no
[16:45] <wherebugsgo> I can send you the log of our convo if you want
[16:45] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, plz
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> also
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> I've been talking to sevryn
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> really can't tell if he's town or mafia either
[16:50] <jcarlsoniv_> it's risk's first game? O_o
[16:50] <wherebugsgo> yes
[16:50] <wherebugsgo> apparently
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> now keeping that in mind
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn said, don't look into it too much
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> when I told sevryn it is risk's first game
[16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> ?
[16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> teh fack
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> yeah...lol
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> IMO
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn is scumbuddies with Forumite
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> and probably sinani
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> but not 100% on that
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> for now
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to leave my vote on risk
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> and see if sinani shows up and votes him
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i'd like to see how risk flips
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> you want to actually lynch him?
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> i think it being his first game is definitely something we SHOULD take into consideration
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> exactly
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> I mean, he's played like it's his first game
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> for sure
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> "is that scummy?" from your logs with him?
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> lol
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> why the hell
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> I felt like saying
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> why yes
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> yes it is
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[16:53] <jcarlsoniv_> hahahaha
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> but yeah anyway
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> if sevryn is not scum
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> that leaves one of forumite/sinani/dropbear/xt to be the last two
[16:54] <wherebugsgo> err two of rather
[16:54] <jcarlsoniv_> that makes sense
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> how do you plan on finding out if sev is scum? lol
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> I don't believe
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> uhh
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah good question
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> idk
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> do we have a pyro?
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> doubt it
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> not that I know of, anyway
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> ~_~
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> I mean, you're not anything ,are you?
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> nah
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> unfortunately
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah same here lol
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> we lost our medic
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i think
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> and he was probably the only one
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> people see how i play in past games
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> and they're like
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> WOW FUCK THAT HE'S NOT GETTING SHIT
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> loool
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> nah man
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> you're a pretty good player IMO
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i used to be better
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> I can tell you're town
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> got real rusty after my ~6 month hiatus
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> and if you're scum you're playing a damn fantastic game
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> yeah maybe that's what happened to incog lol
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> his mind was just not in it
[16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> has it been a while for him?
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> idk I know he hasn't played recently
[16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> gotcha
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> none of the super vets have
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i gotta say though
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was pretty disappointed with the play of the "super vets" this game
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> rofl
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> only incog is a legendary vet I think
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> he just died due to inactivity
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was expecting to be carried like you carried me in resurrection xD
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> probably RL shit
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> oh dude resurrection
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> lol I loved that setup
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> so baller
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> it was definitely
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> NOT
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> the game
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> to come back with
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> no flip hahaha
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> srsly
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> tbh I like that better
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> first no flip game i ever played
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> psh i don't
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can make cool things happen with it
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i hate not learning things after a lynch
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> like all of it
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> is on scumhunting lol
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> see
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm bad at that
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> meh
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> have some confidence lol
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> IMO even if you're not on the right track
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can tell when something's wrong
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> like honestl
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> incog was such an easy lynch
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> palmar was too. Who defended him?
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> did anyone?
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> me, forumite, incog
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> xD
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> forumite never did it directly
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i knew palmar was an easy lynch
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> he just kept saying "I don't like wbg/jackal lynch I'd prefer Curu/Palmar and I lean Curu"
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> over and over
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> just never quantified his statements
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i may have been a bit bitter with him over LOTR still haha
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> just kept saying he liked Curu better
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> lawl Palmar
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> idk why he hates scum
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> he just rolled over and died
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> as the fuckin pyro
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> anyway
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> let's try to determine
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> [1:37:48 PM] risk.nuke: It just looked so dire with mig getting killed and then curu got himself modkilled
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> this shit
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> oh wow
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> that didn't work at all
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> h/o
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> If you're town I can't let you belive I'm mafia, we can't afford it.
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> wut is that
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> lawl
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> alright
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> you think he's noob town or noob scum?
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> he's either scum or REALLY FUCKING NOOB town
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> like
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> a lot of what he's saying is noob town
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> but there are little things in there
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> that are like
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> "why would he say that if he's town"
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> yes, precisely
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> now did you notice anything weird about the timestamps?
[17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> uh not really?
[17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> convo took 2.5 hours?
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> not a long convo, is it?
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> it's about as long as the one we've had
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> in roughly 25
[17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> why was that?
[17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> he take a long time to respond to everything?
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> indeed
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> this was on skype
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> I went back and replaced his name and my name with our s/ns
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> but otherwise it's unchanged
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> the timestamps
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> if you notice
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> sometimes he takes as long as 6 minutes to respond
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> actually I think the longest gap was 10
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> and then at one point I left cause I was impatient lol
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> and came back 10 minutes later
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> glad that's not suspicious or anything
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> also since skype allows you to see the person typing
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> he would type type type
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> then erase it all
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> then just sit there
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i saw you say something about it
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> like he was over cautious about what he was saying
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> yeah exactly
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> I have no idea why
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> I talked to kenpachi
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> and he was like yeah I do that too, but I don't spend five minutes replying
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> and I was in total agreement...everyone erases a bit
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> but no one does that
[17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> i assume that's why you'd use skype over this though?
[17:10] <jcarlsoniv_> at least, that's a strong reason
[17:10] <wherebugsgo> nah he preferred skype lol
[17:10] <wherebugsgo> tbh with you I never considered that until this guy did it
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> hah
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> but even so he has no opinions
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> even new people have opinions
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> albeit, usually wrong ones
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> right
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> Sevryn has a few opinions
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> but he has no opinion on Forumite
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> which is really weird
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'm about to read that log
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> yeah read it and lemme know what you think, I'll brb
[17:16] <jcarlsoniv_> kinda weird how he avoided forumite til you pressed it
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> yep
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was fine with sinani
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was like "oh wat sinani's in the game wtf?"
[17:17] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> problem is he voted for risk lol
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> so I guess the solution is to lynch forumite today
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> but some people aren't willing to do that today
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> and rather would wait to see if he lives till tomorrow
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> well
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> hmm
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> if he is blue and we lynch him
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> that really really sucks
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> yeah that's exactly why people are war
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> *wary
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> if he lives til tomorrow, we get at least one more night with him
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> to me he's been scum all game so I don't give a shit
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> assuming he's blue
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, he's been scummy to me too
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> yeah assuming he's blue he'll get shot
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> by the mafia
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> for being alive 3 nights in a row
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> when it was obvious he wasn't VT
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> maybe they're just derps
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> no way
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> well
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> and are happier just killing VTs
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> okay yeah I guess that's possible lol
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> they shot a bunch of mutes
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> and the only remaining players in the game
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> are pretty much derps
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> so yeah
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> wtf
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> true
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> also
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> wtf lol so we can't even assume that
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> you told sev i'm only a null???
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> *cry*
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> that hurts
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> indeed
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> don't worry
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> not gonna tell sevryn shit
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> I don't want my reads leaking to scum
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> wink wink
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> wink wink nudge nudge
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> slap
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> =(
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> oh I thought you liked slaps
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> dammit
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> no
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that was you
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> oh right
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> alright so we have sev/risk covered
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> as in we don't fucking know what they are
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> feels like
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that's a common theme
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> yeah
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> this game is absolute trash
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> too many nulls
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> I got warned for posting too much in the thread
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> by kurumi loll
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> i saw that
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> kurumi real troll
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> on scum team
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> lawl
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> bah
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> doesn't want you posting, modkills curu lol
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> both modkills were bs IMO
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> what was the other one?
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> tnkted
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> for not voting in the voting thread
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> oh
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> well
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> tbh
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> if i were to host a game, i'd be super strict
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> like, no warnings for edits and shit
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> yeah I can see the tnkted one but
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz people should know by now
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> true true
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, the curu one sucks
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> i mean, i guess it's fair
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but really fucks us
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> curu actually thought the tnkted modkill was bs lol
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> and his was okay
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> but w/e
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> enough hosting discussion
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> dude
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> we're like
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> super ADD
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> loool
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> now
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> dropbear
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> hey man this has been one of the most productive PMs I've had
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> DB needs to show up
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> or I want him dead
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i agree
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but i don't think it should happen now
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i think we need to watch him closely
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> because
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> sev is right that DB has been tunneling
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> more often than not
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> a tunnel this hard is town on town
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> town on town action
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> aight so let's assume they're both town
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> that leaves us with four
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani risk forumite xt
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani/xt scum or not?
[17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> god idk
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> I mean in this case with this assumption one of them has to be
[17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm not sure what to make of NC's display
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> yeah so I'ma throw another null wrench into the mix
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> gun to head
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> GM's rage seemed to be genuine
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> out of those two
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> i'd say sinani
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> okay I agree
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> but, again, not much to go on
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> xt I think is town
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> because he responded to me in a townie fashion earlier
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> when I asked him for his reads
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> k
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> like
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> aggressive townie fashion
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> however the fact that he had no reads
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> you'd know something about that, eh?
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> he had no reads though. and like...he seemed to lack interest
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> not sure what to pick up on that but I told him to get me reads within 23 hours
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> before lynch basically
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> we can't lynch him today anyway
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> it'd be dumb
[17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> i can imagine being a replacement sucks
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> yeah I agree
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> reading all the shit me incog and NC wrote lol
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> but anyway he seemed to be putting in effort in reading it
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> so I've actually been leaning green on him
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> sinani is absolutely null again
[17:28] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> le sigh
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm curious though
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> if we could get
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> DB and Sevryn
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> in the same IRC chat
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> and see what they start saying lol
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> idk
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> might be
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> a really quiet chat room
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to post this in the thread
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> that they should PM me
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> now, kenpachi accuses me and supersoft
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite soft defends
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> what do you make of that
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi accusing two townies
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> Forumite jumping on the opportunity to mislynch
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi is just careless
[17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> now that you say that
[17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> i vaguely remember that from like a year ago
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> about kenpachi?
[17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> oh lol
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> well
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> I've only played with him twice
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> here and resurrection
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> not much difference tbh
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> I get a townie vibe from him in PMs
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> but you should talk to him
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> you should talk to all these players actually
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> don't mention I sent you
[17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'll see what i can find out
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> although, if kenpachi thinks i'm scum
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> he may not want to say anything at all
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> eh generally
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> the way you talk to someone will convince them of you being scum or town
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> so I'm sure if you just talk to him like we've talked it'll be fine
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> nah man
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> imma be like
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> YO Y U THINK I SCUM
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> aight so
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> this is what I'm gonna do
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> I'm gonna make a spreadsheet
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> with numbers and shit
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> of who thinks who is scum
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> numbers??? no wai
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> then maybe we can identify our mafia that way
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah man numbers and colors and shit
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> why don't you make it a google doc
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah I will
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> ok
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> oh wtf
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> I pressed "create spreedsheet"
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> and it did nothing
[17:36] <jcarlsoniv_> you fail the internets
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> what the fak
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> lol wtf
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> it's seriously not doing anything
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> tried it in chrome and firefox
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> T_T
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> lemme try
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> on fucking IE cuz i'm on a library comp
[17:38] <wherebugsgo> lol Original Message From wherebugsgo: [17:49] <wherebugsgo___> well that was dumb [17:49] <wherebugsgo___> got booted off chrome somehow [17:49] == jcarlsoniv_ [webchat@198.7.239.20] [17:49] == realname : http://webchat.quakenet.org[17:49] == channels : #loonybin [17:49] == server : *.quakenet.org [QuakeNet IRC Server] [17:49] == End of WHOIS [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> you have [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> so many underscores [17:50] <wherebugsgo___> yeah lol [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> I figured out what was wrong with the thing [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> it's google's "new look" in the doc page [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> switched it to classic and it worked lol [17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k [17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> so you're making it? [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> indeed will start now [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> okay [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> so [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> most likely scum to least likely for you? [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> remaining 12 players: [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> 2. sinani206 3. risk.nuke 4. jcarlsoniv 5. wherebugsgo 7. Nisani201 8. Erandorr 9. NotChezinu/Replaced by xtffc 13. Kenpachi 14. DropBear 15. Forumite 19. supersoft 20. Sevryn [17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhhhh [17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> this is like a fucking IQ test... [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> lawl [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> all of them [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> are below 80 [17:54] <jcarlsoniv_> below 80 what? [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> IQ [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> so basically [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> pick out the dumb townies [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> from the dumb scum game [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> that's what this is hahaha [17:55] <jcarlsoniv_> lovely [17:56] <jcarlsoniv_> gonna take a minute, doing hw at the same time haha [17:57] <wherebugsgo___> k sounds good [17:57] <wherebugsgo___> take your time no rush [18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite/risknuke, sinani, DB, xtffc, supersoft, Sev, Kenpachi, Erandorr, nisani, WBG/jcarl [18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> i guess [18:04] <wherebugsgo___> aight [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> I'll put that in [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> at what point [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> do you cross from unsure [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> to town [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> at WBG/jcarl [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> jk [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhh [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> sev/ken or xt/super [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> probably somewhere between kenpachi and erandorr [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> ah okay [18:06] <jcarlsoniv_> actually, switch kenpachi and erandorr, i don't really have much on erandorr [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> alright [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> so [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> erandor and below [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> is unsure [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> and risk/forumite is scum [18:07] <jcarlsoniv_> how far is that from your list? [18:07] <wherebugsgo___> mmm [18:07] <wherebugsgo___> not terribly far but I think I have more info than you do [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> basically based on what Curu and Mig told me [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately they didn't give me reasons [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm sure they had them [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> you, me, kenpachi, super, erandor, nisani are all town [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> like above 90% on all of you [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately erandor is mute but I have to say his posting in the thread is not scummy at all [18:09] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah that's why i'm unsure on erandorr [18:09] <wherebugsgo___> so basically out of these I'd rank kenpachi as the lowest on being sure because he said you and super are scum for no reason [18:09] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm still like 90 on him [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then we get into [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> xt/DB/sev/sinani [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> who are all derp and could be either [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then forumite/risk of whom I think forumite is 95% scum and risk who is like 70% lol [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> but out of these I'd rank xt the highest, closest to town [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> then DB/sev are equal [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> sinani third to last and then risk/forumite [18:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i can jump on board with that [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> it comes down to determining which FoSes match [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> the DB/sev thing is like??? [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> probably both retard town [18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and we need to see who defends whom [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah exactly [18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and who condemns whom [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> did you notice [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> sevryn glossed over sinani? [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> AND forumite [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he asked if sinani was playing [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> but he didn't answer my question [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he answered it about Forumite when I pressed the issue [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> but he gave me no opinion about sinani [18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i did [18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> i keep getting mixed up with nisani and sinani personally lol [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> lol [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> nisani is town [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> I can almost guarantee that [18:17] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k [18:17] <wherebugsgo___> as for sinani he could be on the moon and I wouldn't know [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> we need to pressure the lurkers [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> weird for me to say cuz i'm kinda one of them [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> at least [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm a thread lurker [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> yeah but you're not a PM lurker [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> not like DB [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> who is both [18:19] <wherebugsgo___> or sinani [18:19] <wherebugsgo___> who just sucks [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> ok, i'm going back to my room [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> save these logs [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz i can't, lol [18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> i'll be back on in like [18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> 5 - 10 minutes [18:20] <wherebugsgo___> alight sounds good Keep in mind these were all before I talked to DB in PMs. After I talked to DB in PMs I had a strong feeling he was town. At this point to be honest with all of you the only player I can say I really think is scum is sevryn. After that we've got one scum among 6 players so I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to find the last one if we just pressure everybody. ##vote Sevryn
I dont understand the case on me. I know I have been unactive and I apologize for that.but you say your sure im scum in the middle and then you really think i am scum. which is it? are you sure or do you just really think im scum? You vote for me and only have two lines in your entire post? a vote post thats 99% defensive seems kinda odd. also your whole defense here + Show Spoiler +
On October 08 2011 12:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
I had a feeling you thought I was scum.
That's why I PMed you.
I can't really say anything other than the fact that my play is not consistent with being scum. Yes, I know I haven't had the best reads this game, and for whatever reason people are expecting me to play better (and yes, I admit, I have played badly.)
I've gone on tilt several times this game already and I think that was part of my mistake. Every time I did it I destroyed whatever remained of my ability to reason.
Anyway, tomorrow you guys can decide whether you'd like to win or not. I realize I haven't been much use to you all (and I'll take the responsibility for xt's mislynch) but if you lynch me you'll be down another townie and it's not like that'll help you at all.
is basically you saying dont lynch me guiz im town sorry about my bad play ##vote wherebugsgo
I'm defending myself therefore I'm scum lol.
Dude Sevryn if any other player were to play like you, they'd get insta lynched. But because you've made a name for yourself for being scummy as town, I have uncertainty about you.
That's why it sucks. I can't say I'm for certain you're mafia, since you always play like this. But, the problem is that there are two scum and you've been scummy to everyone all game.
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| Sevryn October 08 2011 15:01. Posts 694 | Profile # |
On October 08 2011 14:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 14:10 Sevryn wrote:
On October 08 2011 13:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
On October 04 2011 06:43 Mig wrote:
Here are my reads for everyone
People I am very sure are town
Curu
Erandorr
kenpachi
Likely town
supersoft
wbg
Unsure
Forumite
nisani
risk.nuke
sinani
Scamp
Scummy
NC
DropBear
Sevryn
Jcarl
The top 3 I am very sure of 90%+ that they are town. WBG and supersoft I am probably like 75% town on. Any of the rest of them could potentially be scum.
For today's lynch I would probably focus on NC and Jcarl. But it would be fine to pressure any of the people I have on the uncertain and lower list.
Alright, so let me put this out there before I go to sleep: I doubted Mig's reads earlier in the game because I felt like he didn't consider the merits of Incog/NC being town more. He doubted mine because I pushed Forumite as scum, threw doubts on the lynch of Palmar and took part in the Curu case. Mig is a better player than I am. If you look at this list, it's clear he knew what he was talking about. After yesterday the only thing on this list that has been established as wrong is NC being town. I admit that I didn't take his efforts seriously enough until today, when jcarl flipped scum. I was wrong about jcarl and that's my own fault. We should consider the information he provided us (and also go through Erandorr's posts to see if he'd breadcrumbed anything). The bottom four on that list should be our focus. Those four are basically nisani, risk.nuke, DropBear, and sevryn. ATM I'm unsure on DropBear because he appeared townie to me yesterday (and keeps saying he's looking for a replacement) but he's done nothing but tunnel Sevryn all game. It's kinda unsettling. Risk.nuke I feel could swing either way as well. Nisani is the most likely to be town out of these four. Sevryn I'm sure is scum. Finally, on the log situation: I did not fake those logs, and by all means I genuinely believed jcarl was town. He played very similarly (IMO) to how he played in resurrection. I wasn't really around for much of LoTR so I couldn't comment on his play there, but it's clear now that Erandorr probably checked jcarl and that's why he was so adamant about pushing his lynch. I've never seen jcarl play scum and by all means he was never on my radar. My fault for not considering all the possibilities. These are the logs I have of my conversations with jcarl. I am missing the first log I had with jcarl because my browser crashed. I had 3 conversations total with him, all yesterday. These are the last two. I'll recheck my inbox to see if I have anything else that would be useful. + Show Spoiler [jcarllog1] +Original Message From wherebugsgo:
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> aight
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> you were gonna send me logs right?
[16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> of?
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> your convos with Mig/Curu I believe
[16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> i hadn't spoken with curu
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> just Mig?
[16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, i can send you what i spoke to mig about
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> k sounds good
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> it's always almost impossible to tell whether players had spoken to Curu or not lol
[16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> Curu would always talk to me about things that made it sound like he'd talked to the players
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> rather than hearing through Mig
[16:41] <wherebugsgo> anyway he mentioned he thought you were town based on an argument you had with Mig over whether Incog is town
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> i didn't have an argument with mig
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> more like
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> a very civil discussion
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[16:41] <wherebugsgo> lol
[16:43] <jcarlsoniv_> k, i sent what i spoke to mig about
[16:44] <jcarlsoniv_> learn anything from risk.nuke?
[16:45] <wherebugsgo> to be honest no
[16:45] <wherebugsgo> I can send you the log of our convo if you want
[16:45] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, plz
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> also
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> I've been talking to sevryn
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> really can't tell if he's town or mafia either
[16:50] <jcarlsoniv_> it's risk's first game? O_o
[16:50] <wherebugsgo> yes
[16:50] <wherebugsgo> apparently
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> now keeping that in mind
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn said, don't look into it too much
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> when I told sevryn it is risk's first game
[16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> ?
[16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> teh fack
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> yeah...lol
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> IMO
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn is scumbuddies with Forumite
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> and probably sinani
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> but not 100% on that
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> for now
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to leave my vote on risk
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> and see if sinani shows up and votes him
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i'd like to see how risk flips
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> you want to actually lynch him?
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> i think it being his first game is definitely something we SHOULD take into consideration
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> exactly
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> I mean, he's played like it's his first game
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> for sure
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> "is that scummy?" from your logs with him?
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> lol
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> why the hell
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> I felt like saying
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> why yes
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> yes it is
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[16:53] <jcarlsoniv_> hahahaha
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> but yeah anyway
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> if sevryn is not scum
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> that leaves one of forumite/sinani/dropbear/xt to be the last two
[16:54] <wherebugsgo> err two of rather
[16:54] <jcarlsoniv_> that makes sense
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> how do you plan on finding out if sev is scum? lol
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> I don't believe
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> uhh
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah good question
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> idk
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> do we have a pyro?
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> doubt it
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> not that I know of, anyway
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> ~_~
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> I mean, you're not anything ,are you?
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> nah
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> unfortunately
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah same here lol
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> we lost our medic
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i think
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> and he was probably the only one
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> people see how i play in past games
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> and they're like
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> WOW FUCK THAT HE'S NOT GETTING SHIT
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> loool
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> nah man
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> you're a pretty good player IMO
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i used to be better
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> I can tell you're town
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> got real rusty after my ~6 month hiatus
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> and if you're scum you're playing a damn fantastic game
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> yeah maybe that's what happened to incog lol
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> his mind was just not in it
[16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> has it been a while for him?
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> idk I know he hasn't played recently
[16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> gotcha
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> none of the super vets have
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i gotta say though
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was pretty disappointed with the play of the "super vets" this game
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> rofl
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> only incog is a legendary vet I think
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> he just died due to inactivity
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was expecting to be carried like you carried me in resurrection xD
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> probably RL shit
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> oh dude resurrection
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> lol I loved that setup
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> so baller
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> it was definitely
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> NOT
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> the game
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> to come back with
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> no flip hahaha
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> srsly
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> tbh I like that better
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> first no flip game i ever played
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> psh i don't
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can make cool things happen with it
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i hate not learning things after a lynch
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> like all of it
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> is on scumhunting lol
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> see
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm bad at that
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> meh
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> have some confidence lol
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> IMO even if you're not on the right track
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can tell when something's wrong
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> like honestl
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> incog was such an easy lynch
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> palmar was too. Who defended him?
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> did anyone?
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> me, forumite, incog
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> xD
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> forumite never did it directly
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i knew palmar was an easy lynch
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> he just kept saying "I don't like wbg/jackal lynch I'd prefer Curu/Palmar and I lean Curu"
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> over and over
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> just never quantified his statements
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i may have been a bit bitter with him over LOTR still haha
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> just kept saying he liked Curu better
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> lawl Palmar
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> idk why he hates scum
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> he just rolled over and died
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> as the fuckin pyro
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> anyway
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> let's try to determine
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> [1:37:48 PM] risk.nuke: It just looked so dire with mig getting killed and then curu got himself modkilled
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> this shit
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> oh wow
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> that didn't work at all
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> h/o
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> If you're town I can't let you belive I'm mafia, we can't afford it.
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> wut is that
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> lawl
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> alright
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> you think he's noob town or noob scum?
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> he's either scum or REALLY FUCKING NOOB town
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> like
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> a lot of what he's saying is noob town
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> but there are little things in there
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> that are like
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> "why would he say that if he's town"
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> yes, precisely
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> now did you notice anything weird about the timestamps?
[17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> uh not really?
[17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> convo took 2.5 hours?
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> not a long convo, is it?
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> it's about as long as the one we've had
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> in roughly 25
[17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> why was that?
[17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> he take a long time to respond to everything?
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> indeed
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> this was on skype
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> I went back and replaced his name and my name with our s/ns
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> but otherwise it's unchanged
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> the timestamps
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> if you notice
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> sometimes he takes as long as 6 minutes to respond
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> actually I think the longest gap was 10
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> and then at one point I left cause I was impatient lol
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> and came back 10 minutes later
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> glad that's not suspicious or anything
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> also since skype allows you to see the person typing
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> he would type type type
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> then erase it all
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> then just sit there
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i saw you say something about it
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> like he was over cautious about what he was saying
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> yeah exactly
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> I have no idea why
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> I talked to kenpachi
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> and he was like yeah I do that too, but I don't spend five minutes replying
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> and I was in total agreement...everyone erases a bit
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> but no one does that
[17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> i assume that's why you'd use skype over this though?
[17:10] <jcarlsoniv_> at least, that's a strong reason
[17:10] <wherebugsgo> nah he preferred skype lol
[17:10] <wherebugsgo> tbh with you I never considered that until this guy did it
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> hah
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> but even so he has no opinions
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> even new people have opinions
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> albeit, usually wrong ones
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> right
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> Sevryn has a few opinions
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> but he has no opinion on Forumite
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> which is really weird
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'm about to read that log
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> yeah read it and lemme know what you think, I'll brb
[17:16] <jcarlsoniv_> kinda weird how he avoided forumite til you pressed it
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> yep
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was fine with sinani
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was like "oh wat sinani's in the game wtf?"
[17:17] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> problem is he voted for risk lol
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> so I guess the solution is to lynch forumite today
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> but some people aren't willing to do that today
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> and rather would wait to see if he lives till tomorrow
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> well
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> hmm
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> if he is blue and we lynch him
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> that really really sucks
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> yeah that's exactly why people are war
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> *wary
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> if he lives til tomorrow, we get at least one more night with him
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> to me he's been scum all game so I don't give a shit
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> assuming he's blue
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, he's been scummy to me too
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> yeah assuming he's blue he'll get shot
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> by the mafia
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> for being alive 3 nights in a row
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> when it was obvious he wasn't VT
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> maybe they're just derps
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> no way
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> well
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> and are happier just killing VTs
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> okay yeah I guess that's possible lol
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> they shot a bunch of mutes
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> and the only remaining players in the game
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> are pretty much derps
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> so yeah
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> wtf
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> true
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> also
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> wtf lol so we can't even assume that
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> you told sev i'm only a null???
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> *cry*
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> that hurts
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> indeed
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> don't worry
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> not gonna tell sevryn shit
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> I don't want my reads leaking to scum
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> wink wink
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> wink wink nudge nudge
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> slap
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> =(
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> oh I thought you liked slaps
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> dammit
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> no
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that was you
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> oh right
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> alright so we have sev/risk covered
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> as in we don't fucking know what they are
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> feels like
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that's a common theme
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> yeah
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> this game is absolute trash
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> too many nulls
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> I got warned for posting too much in the thread
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> by kurumi loll
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> i saw that
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> kurumi real troll
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> on scum team
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> lawl
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> bah
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> doesn't want you posting, modkills curu lol
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> both modkills were bs IMO
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> what was the other one?
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> tnkted
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> for not voting in the voting thread
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> oh
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> well
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> tbh
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> if i were to host a game, i'd be super strict
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> like, no warnings for edits and shit
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> yeah I can see the tnkted one but
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz people should know by now
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> true true
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, the curu one sucks
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> i mean, i guess it's fair
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but really fucks us
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> curu actually thought the tnkted modkill was bs lol
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> and his was okay
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> but w/e
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> enough hosting discussion
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> dude
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> we're like
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> super ADD
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> loool
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> now
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> dropbear
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> hey man this has been one of the most productive PMs I've had
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> DB needs to show up
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> or I want him dead
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i agree
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but i don't think it should happen now
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i think we need to watch him closely
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> because
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> sev is right that DB has been tunneling
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> more often than not
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> a tunnel this hard is town on town
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> town on town action
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> aight so let's assume they're both town
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> that leaves us with four
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani risk forumite xt
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani/xt scum or not?
[17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> god idk
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> I mean in this case with this assumption one of them has to be
[17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm not sure what to make of NC's display
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> yeah so I'ma throw another null wrench into the mix
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> gun to head
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> GM's rage seemed to be genuine
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> out of those two
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> i'd say sinani
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> okay I agree
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> but, again, not much to go on
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> xt I think is town
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> because he responded to me in a townie fashion earlier
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> when I asked him for his reads
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> k
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> like
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> aggressive townie fashion
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> however the fact that he had no reads
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> you'd know something about that, eh?
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> he had no reads though. and like...he seemed to lack interest
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> not sure what to pick up on that but I told him to get me reads within 23 hours
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> before lynch basically
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> we can't lynch him today anyway
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> it'd be dumb
[17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> i can imagine being a replacement sucks
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> yeah I agree
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> reading all the shit me incog and NC wrote lol
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> but anyway he seemed to be putting in effort in reading it
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> so I've actually been leaning green on him
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> sinani is absolutely null again
[17:28] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> le sigh
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm curious though
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> if we could get
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> DB and Sevryn
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> in the same IRC chat
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> and see what they start saying lol
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> idk
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> might be
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> a really quiet chat room
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to post this in the thread
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> that they should PM me
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> now, kenpachi accuses me and supersoft
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite soft defends
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> what do you make of that
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi accusing two townies
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> Forumite jumping on the opportunity to mislynch
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi is just careless
[17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> now that you say that
[17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> i vaguely remember that from like a year ago
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> about kenpachi?
[17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> oh lol
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> well
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> I've only played with him twice
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> here and resurrection
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> not much difference tbh
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> I get a townie vibe from him in PMs
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> but you should talk to him
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> you should talk to all these players actually
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> don't mention I sent you
[17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'll see what i can find out
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> although, if kenpachi thinks i'm scum
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> he may not want to say anything at all
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> eh generally
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> the way you talk to someone will convince them of you being scum or town
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> so I'm sure if you just talk to him like we've talked it'll be fine
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> nah man
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> imma be like
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> YO Y U THINK I SCUM
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> aight so
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> this is what I'm gonna do
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> I'm gonna make a spreadsheet
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> with numbers and shit
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> of who thinks who is scum
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> numbers??? no wai
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> then maybe we can identify our mafia that way
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah man numbers and colors and shit
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> why don't you make it a google doc
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah I will
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> ok
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> oh wtf
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> I pressed "create spreedsheet"
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> and it did nothing
[17:36] <jcarlsoniv_> you fail the internets
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> what the fak
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> lol wtf
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> it's seriously not doing anything
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> tried it in chrome and firefox
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> T_T
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> lemme try
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> on fucking IE cuz i'm on a library comp
[17:38] <wherebugsgo> lol Original Message From wherebugsgo: [17:49] <wherebugsgo___> well that was dumb [17:49] <wherebugsgo___> got booted off chrome somehow [17:49] == jcarlsoniv_ [webchat@198.7.239.20] [17:49] == realname : http://webchat.quakenet.org[17:49] == channels : #loonybin [17:49] == server : *.quakenet.org [QuakeNet IRC Server] [17:49] == End of WHOIS [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> you have [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> so many underscores [17:50] <wherebugsgo___> yeah lol [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> I figured out what was wrong with the thing [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> it's google's "new look" in the doc page [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> switched it to classic and it worked lol [17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k [17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> so you're making it? [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> indeed will start now [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> okay [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> so [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> most likely scum to least likely for you? [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> remaining 12 players: [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> 2. sinani206 3. risk.nuke 4. jcarlsoniv 5. wherebugsgo 7. Nisani201 8. Erandorr 9. NotChezinu/Replaced by xtffc 13. Kenpachi 14. DropBear 15. Forumite 19. supersoft 20. Sevryn [17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhhhh [17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> this is like a fucking IQ test... [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> lawl [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> all of them [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> are below 80 [17:54] <jcarlsoniv_> below 80 what? [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> IQ [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> so basically [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> pick out the dumb townies [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> from the dumb scum game [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> that's what this is hahaha [17:55] <jcarlsoniv_> lovely [17:56] <jcarlsoniv_> gonna take a minute, doing hw at the same time haha [17:57] <wherebugsgo___> k sounds good [17:57] <wherebugsgo___> take your time no rush [18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite/risknuke, sinani, DB, xtffc, supersoft, Sev, Kenpachi, Erandorr, nisani, WBG/jcarl [18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> i guess [18:04] <wherebugsgo___> aight [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> I'll put that in [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> at what point [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> do you cross from unsure [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> to town [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> at WBG/jcarl [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> jk [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhh [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> sev/ken or xt/super [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> probably somewhere between kenpachi and erandorr [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> ah okay [18:06] <jcarlsoniv_> actually, switch kenpachi and erandorr, i don't really have much on erandorr [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> alright [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> so [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> erandor and below [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> is unsure [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> and risk/forumite is scum [18:07] <jcarlsoniv_> how far is that from your list? [18:07] <wherebugsgo___> mmm [18:07] <wherebugsgo___> not terribly far but I think I have more info than you do [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> basically based on what Curu and Mig told me [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately they didn't give me reasons [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm sure they had them [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> you, me, kenpachi, super, erandor, nisani are all town [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> like above 90% on all of you [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately erandor is mute but I have to say his posting in the thread is not scummy at all [18:09] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah that's why i'm unsure on erandorr [18:09] <wherebugsgo___> so basically out of these I'd rank kenpachi as the lowest on being sure because he said you and super are scum for no reason [18:09] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm still like 90 on him [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then we get into [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> xt/DB/sev/sinani [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> who are all derp and could be either [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then forumite/risk of whom I think forumite is 95% scum and risk who is like 70% lol [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> but out of these I'd rank xt the highest, closest to town [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> then DB/sev are equal [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> sinani third to last and then risk/forumite [18:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i can jump on board with that [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> it comes down to determining which FoSes match [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> the DB/sev thing is like??? [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> probably both retard town [18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and we need to see who defends whom [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah exactly [18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and who condemns whom [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> did you notice [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> sevryn glossed over sinani? [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> AND forumite [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he asked if sinani was playing [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> but he didn't answer my question [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he answered it about Forumite when I pressed the issue [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> but he gave me no opinion about sinani [18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i did [18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> i keep getting mixed up with nisani and sinani personally lol [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> lol [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> nisani is town [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> I can almost guarantee that [18:17] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k [18:17] <wherebugsgo___> as for sinani he could be on the moon and I wouldn't know [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> we need to pressure the lurkers [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> weird for me to say cuz i'm kinda one of them [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> at least [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm a thread lurker [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> yeah but you're not a PM lurker [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> not like DB [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> who is both [18:19] <wherebugsgo___> or sinani [18:19] <wherebugsgo___> who just sucks [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> ok, i'm going back to my room [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> save these logs [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz i can't, lol [18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> i'll be back on in like [18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> 5 - 10 minutes [18:20] <wherebugsgo___> alight sounds good Keep in mind these were all before I talked to DB in PMs. After I talked to DB in PMs I had a strong feeling he was town. At this point to be honest with all of you the only player I can say I really think is scum is sevryn. After that we've got one scum among 6 players so I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to find the last one if we just pressure everybody. ##vote Sevryn
I dont understand the case on me. I know I have been unactive and I apologize for that.but you say your sure im scum in the middle and then you really think i am scum. which is it? are you sure or do you just really think im scum? You vote for me and only have two lines in your entire post? a vote post thats 99% defensive seems kinda odd. also your whole defense here + Show Spoiler +
On October 08 2011 12:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
I had a feeling you thought I was scum.
That's why I PMed you.
I can't really say anything other than the fact that my play is not consistent with being scum. Yes, I know I haven't had the best reads this game, and for whatever reason people are expecting me to play better (and yes, I admit, I have played badly.)
I've gone on tilt several times this game already and I think that was part of my mistake. Every time I did it I destroyed whatever remained of my ability to reason.
Anyway, tomorrow you guys can decide whether you'd like to win or not. I realize I haven't been much use to you all (and I'll take the responsibility for xt's mislynch) but if you lynch me you'll be down another townie and it's not like that'll help you at all.
is basically you saying dont lynch me guiz im town sorry about my bad play ##vote wherebugsgo
I'm defending myself therefore I'm scum lol. Dude Sevryn if any other player were to play like you, they'd get insta lynched. But because you've made a name for yourself for being scummy as town, I have uncertainty about you. That's why it sucks. I can't say I'm for certain you're mafia, since you always play like this. But, the problem is that there are two scum and you've been scummy to everyone all game.
its not that your defending yourself that makes you scum its that if you take out all of your defenses your entire post is
I'm sure sevryn is scum
I really think sevryn is scum
then you vote for me
thats your entire vote post regarding me what kind of vote post is that
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| DropBear Australia. October 08 2011 15:30. Posts 2454 | Profile Blog # |
Has everyone forgotten what happened yesterday so quickly?
Sevryn was about to be lynched and then a sudden miraculous last minute switch saves him. Can we please just hurry up and kill him already!
I don't think bugs is mafia, he is just erratic. He's obviously trying.
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| wherebugsgo United States. October 08 2011 15:37. Posts 7940 | Profile Blog # |
On October 08 2011 15:01 Sevryn wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 14:27 wherebugsgo wrote:
On October 08 2011 14:10 Sevryn wrote:
On October 08 2011 13:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
On October 04 2011 06:43 Mig wrote:
Here are my reads for everyone
People I am very sure are town
Curu
Erandorr
kenpachi
Likely town
supersoft
wbg
Unsure
Forumite
nisani
risk.nuke
sinani
Scamp
Scummy
NC
DropBear
Sevryn
Jcarl
The top 3 I am very sure of 90%+ that they are town. WBG and supersoft I am probably like 75% town on. Any of the rest of them could potentially be scum.
For today's lynch I would probably focus on NC and Jcarl. But it would be fine to pressure any of the people I have on the uncertain and lower list.
Alright, so let me put this out there before I go to sleep: I doubted Mig's reads earlier in the game because I felt like he didn't consider the merits of Incog/NC being town more. He doubted mine because I pushed Forumite as scum, threw doubts on the lynch of Palmar and took part in the Curu case. Mig is a better player than I am. If you look at this list, it's clear he knew what he was talking about. After yesterday the only thing on this list that has been established as wrong is NC being town. I admit that I didn't take his efforts seriously enough until today, when jcarl flipped scum. I was wrong about jcarl and that's my own fault. We should consider the information he provided us (and also go through Erandorr's posts to see if he'd breadcrumbed anything). The bottom four on that list should be our focus. Those four are basically nisani, risk.nuke, DropBear, and sevryn. ATM I'm unsure on DropBear because he appeared townie to me yesterday (and keeps saying he's looking for a replacement) but he's done nothing but tunnel Sevryn all game. It's kinda unsettling. Risk.nuke I feel could swing either way as well. Nisani is the most likely to be town out of these four. Sevryn I'm sure is scum. Finally, on the log situation: I did not fake those logs, and by all means I genuinely believed jcarl was town. He played very similarly (IMO) to how he played in resurrection. I wasn't really around for much of LoTR so I couldn't comment on his play there, but it's clear now that Erandorr probably checked jcarl and that's why he was so adamant about pushing his lynch. I've never seen jcarl play scum and by all means he was never on my radar. My fault for not considering all the possibilities. These are the logs I have of my conversations with jcarl. I am missing the first log I had with jcarl because my browser crashed. I had 3 conversations total with him, all yesterday. These are the last two. I'll recheck my inbox to see if I have anything else that would be useful. + Show Spoiler [jcarllog1] +Original Message From wherebugsgo:
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> aight
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> you were gonna send me logs right?
[16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> of?
[16:39] <wherebugsgo> your convos with Mig/Curu I believe
[16:39] <jcarlsoniv_> i hadn't spoken with curu
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> just Mig?
[16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, i can send you what i spoke to mig about
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> k sounds good
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> it's always almost impossible to tell whether players had spoken to Curu or not lol
[16:40] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> Curu would always talk to me about things that made it sound like he'd talked to the players
[16:40] <wherebugsgo> rather than hearing through Mig
[16:41] <wherebugsgo> anyway he mentioned he thought you were town based on an argument you had with Mig over whether Incog is town
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> i didn't have an argument with mig
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> more like
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> a very civil discussion
[16:41] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[16:41] <wherebugsgo> lol
[16:43] <jcarlsoniv_> k, i sent what i spoke to mig about
[16:44] <jcarlsoniv_> learn anything from risk.nuke?
[16:45] <wherebugsgo> to be honest no
[16:45] <wherebugsgo> I can send you the log of our convo if you want
[16:45] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, plz
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> also
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> I've been talking to sevryn
[16:48] <wherebugsgo> really can't tell if he's town or mafia either
[16:50] <jcarlsoniv_> it's risk's first game? O_o
[16:50] <wherebugsgo> yes
[16:50] <wherebugsgo> apparently
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> now keeping that in mind
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn said, don't look into it too much
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> when I told sevryn it is risk's first game
[16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> ?
[16:51] <jcarlsoniv_> teh fack
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> yeah...lol
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> IMO
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> sevryn is scumbuddies with Forumite
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> and probably sinani
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> but not 100% on that
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> for now
[16:51] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to leave my vote on risk
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> and see if sinani shows up and votes him
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i'd like to see how risk flips
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> you want to actually lynch him?
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> i think it being his first game is definitely something we SHOULD take into consideration
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> exactly
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> I mean, he's played like it's his first game
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> for sure
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> "is that scummy?" from your logs with him?
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> lol
[16:52] <jcarlsoniv_> why the hell
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> I felt like saying
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> why yes
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> yes it is
[16:52] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[16:53] <jcarlsoniv_> hahahaha
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> but yeah anyway
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> if sevryn is not scum
[16:53] <wherebugsgo> that leaves one of forumite/sinani/dropbear/xt to be the last two
[16:54] <wherebugsgo> err two of rather
[16:54] <jcarlsoniv_> that makes sense
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> how do you plan on finding out if sev is scum? lol
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> I don't believe
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> uhh
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah good question
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> idk
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> do we have a pyro?
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> doubt it
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> not that I know of, anyway
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> ~_~
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> I mean, you're not anything ,are you?
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> nah
[16:55] <jcarlsoniv_> unfortunately
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> yeah same here lol
[16:55] <wherebugsgo> we lost our medic
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i think
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> and he was probably the only one
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> people see how i play in past games
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> and they're like
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> WOW FUCK THAT HE'S NOT GETTING SHIT
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> loool
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> nah man
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> you're a pretty good player IMO
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> i used to be better
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> I can tell you're town
[16:56] <jcarlsoniv_> got real rusty after my ~6 month hiatus
[16:56] <wherebugsgo> and if you're scum you're playing a damn fantastic game
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> yeah maybe that's what happened to incog lol
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> his mind was just not in it
[16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> has it been a while for him?
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> idk I know he hasn't played recently
[16:57] <jcarlsoniv_> gotcha
[16:57] <wherebugsgo> none of the super vets have
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i gotta say though
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was pretty disappointed with the play of the "super vets" this game
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> rofl
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> only incog is a legendary vet I think
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> he just died due to inactivity
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> i was expecting to be carried like you carried me in resurrection xD
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> probably RL shit
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> oh dude resurrection
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> lol I loved that setup
[16:58] <wherebugsgo> so baller
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> it was definitely
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> NOT
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> the game
[16:58] <jcarlsoniv_> to come back with
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> no flip hahaha
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> srsly
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> tbh I like that better
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> first no flip game i ever played
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> psh i don't
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can make cool things happen with it
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i hate not learning things after a lynch
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> like all of it
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> is on scumhunting lol
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> see
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm bad at that
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> meh
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> have some confidence lol
[16:59] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> IMO even if you're not on the right track
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> I think you can tell when something's wrong
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> like honestl
[16:59] <wherebugsgo> incog was such an easy lynch
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> palmar was too. Who defended him?
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> did anyone?
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> me, forumite, incog
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> xD
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> forumite never did it directly
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i knew palmar was an easy lynch
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> he just kept saying "I don't like wbg/jackal lynch I'd prefer Curu/Palmar and I lean Curu"
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> over and over
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> just never quantified his statements
[17:00] <jcarlsoniv_> i may have been a bit bitter with him over LOTR still haha
[17:00] <wherebugsgo> just kept saying he liked Curu better
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> lawl Palmar
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> idk why he hates scum
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> he just rolled over and died
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> as the fuckin pyro
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> anyway
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> let's try to determine
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> [1:37:48 PM] risk.nuke: It just looked so dire with mig getting killed and then curu got himself modkilled
[17:01] <wherebugsgo> this shit
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> oh wow
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> that didn't work at all
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> h/o
[17:01] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> If you're town I can't let you belive I'm mafia, we can't afford it.
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:02] <jcarlsoniv_> wut is that
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> lawl
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> alright
[17:04] <wherebugsgo> you think he's noob town or noob scum?
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> he's either scum or REALLY FUCKING NOOB town
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> like
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> a lot of what he's saying is noob town
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> but there are little things in there
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> that are like
[17:05] <jcarlsoniv_> "why would he say that if he's town"
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> yes, precisely
[17:05] <wherebugsgo> now did you notice anything weird about the timestamps?
[17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> uh not really?
[17:06] <jcarlsoniv_> convo took 2.5 hours?
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> not a long convo, is it?
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> it's about as long as the one we've had
[17:06] <wherebugsgo> in roughly 25
[17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> why was that?
[17:07] <jcarlsoniv_> he take a long time to respond to everything?
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> indeed
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> this was on skype
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> I went back and replaced his name and my name with our s/ns
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> but otherwise it's unchanged
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> the timestamps
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> if you notice
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> sometimes he takes as long as 6 minutes to respond
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> actually I think the longest gap was 10
[17:07] <wherebugsgo> and then at one point I left cause I was impatient lol
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> and came back 10 minutes later
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> glad that's not suspicious or anything
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> also since skype allows you to see the person typing
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> he would type type type
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> then erase it all
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> then just sit there
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i saw you say something about it
[17:08] <jcarlsoniv_> like he was over cautious about what he was saying
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> yeah exactly
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> I have no idea why
[17:08] <wherebugsgo> I talked to kenpachi
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> and he was like yeah I do that too, but I don't spend five minutes replying
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> and I was in total agreement...everyone erases a bit
[17:09] <wherebugsgo> but no one does that
[17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:09] <jcarlsoniv_> i assume that's why you'd use skype over this though?
[17:10] <jcarlsoniv_> at least, that's a strong reason
[17:10] <wherebugsgo> nah he preferred skype lol
[17:10] <wherebugsgo> tbh with you I never considered that until this guy did it
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> hah
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> but even so he has no opinions
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> even new people have opinions
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> albeit, usually wrong ones
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> right
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> Sevryn has a few opinions
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> but he has no opinion on Forumite
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> which is really weird
[17:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'm about to read that log
[17:11] <wherebugsgo> yeah read it and lemme know what you think, I'll brb
[17:16] <jcarlsoniv_> kinda weird how he avoided forumite til you pressed it
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> yep
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was fine with sinani
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> he was like "oh wat sinani's in the game wtf?"
[17:17] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[17:17] <wherebugsgo> problem is he voted for risk lol
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> so I guess the solution is to lynch forumite today
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> but some people aren't willing to do that today
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> and rather would wait to see if he lives till tomorrow
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> well
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> hmm
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> if he is blue and we lynch him
[17:18] <jcarlsoniv_> that really really sucks
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> yeah that's exactly why people are war
[17:18] <wherebugsgo> *wary
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> if he lives til tomorrow, we get at least one more night with him
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> to me he's been scum all game so I don't give a shit
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> assuming he's blue
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, he's been scummy to me too
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> yeah assuming he's blue he'll get shot
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> by the mafia
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> for being alive 3 nights in a row
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> when it was obvious he wasn't VT
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> maybe they're just derps
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> no way
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> well
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> and are happier just killing VTs
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> okay yeah I guess that's possible lol
[17:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> they shot a bunch of mutes
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> and the only remaining players in the game
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> are pretty much derps
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> so yeah
[17:19] <wherebugsgo> wtf
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> true
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> also
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> wtf lol so we can't even assume that
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> you told sev i'm only a null???
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> *cry*
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> that hurts
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> indeed
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> don't worry
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> not gonna tell sevryn shit
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> I don't want my reads leaking to scum
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> wink wink
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> wink wink nudge nudge
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> slap
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> =(
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> oh I thought you liked slaps
[17:20] <wherebugsgo> dammit
[17:20] <jcarlsoniv_> no
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that was you
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> oh right
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> alright so we have sev/risk covered
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> as in we don't fucking know what they are
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> feels like
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> that's a common theme
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> yeah
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> this game is absolute trash
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> too many nulls
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> I got warned for posting too much in the thread
[17:21] <wherebugsgo> by kurumi loll
[17:21] <jcarlsoniv_> i saw that
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> kurumi real troll
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> on scum team
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> lawl
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> bah
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> doesn't want you posting, modkills curu lol
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> both modkills were bs IMO
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> what was the other one?
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> tnkted
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> for not voting in the voting thread
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> oh
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> well
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> tbh
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> if i were to host a game, i'd be super strict
[17:22] <jcarlsoniv_> like, no warnings for edits and shit
[17:22] <wherebugsgo> yeah I can see the tnkted one but
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz people should know by now
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> true true
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but yeah, the curu one sucks
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> i mean, i guess it's fair
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> but really fucks us
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> curu actually thought the tnkted modkill was bs lol
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> and his was okay
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> haha
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> but w/e
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> enough hosting discussion
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> dude
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> we're like
[17:23] <jcarlsoniv_> super ADD
[17:23] <wherebugsgo> loool
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> now
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> dropbear
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> hey man this has been one of the most productive PMs I've had
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> DB needs to show up
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> or I want him dead
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i agree
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but i don't think it should happen now
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> i think we need to watch him closely
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> because
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> sev is right that DB has been tunneling
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> but
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> more often than not
[17:24] <jcarlsoniv_> a tunnel this hard is town on town
[17:24] <wherebugsgo> town on town action
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> aight so let's assume they're both town
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> that leaves us with four
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani risk forumite xt
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> sinani/xt scum or not?
[17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> god idk
[17:25] <wherebugsgo> I mean in this case with this assumption one of them has to be
[17:25] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm not sure what to make of NC's display
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> yeah so I'ma throw another null wrench into the mix
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> gun to head
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> GM's rage seemed to be genuine
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> out of those two
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> i'd say sinani
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> okay I agree
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> but, again, not much to go on
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> xt I think is town
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> because he responded to me in a townie fashion earlier
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> when I asked him for his reads
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> k
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> like
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> aggressive townie fashion
[17:26] <wherebugsgo> however the fact that he had no reads
[17:26] <jcarlsoniv_> you'd know something about that, eh?
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> he had no reads though. and like...he seemed to lack interest
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> not sure what to pick up on that but I told him to get me reads within 23 hours
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> before lynch basically
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> we can't lynch him today anyway
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> it'd be dumb
[17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> yah
[17:27] <jcarlsoniv_> i can imagine being a replacement sucks
[17:27] <wherebugsgo> yeah I agree
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> reading all the shit me incog and NC wrote lol
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> but anyway he seemed to be putting in effort in reading it
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> so I've actually been leaning green on him
[17:28] <wherebugsgo> sinani is absolutely null again
[17:28] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> le sigh
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm curious though
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> if we could get
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> DB and Sevryn
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> in the same IRC chat
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> and see what they start saying lol
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> idk
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> might be
[17:29] <jcarlsoniv_> a really quiet chat room
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> lol
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> I'm going to post this in the thread
[17:29] <wherebugsgo> that they should PM me
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> now, kenpachi accuses me and supersoft
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite soft defends
[17:31] <jcarlsoniv_> what do you make of that
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi accusing two townies
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> Forumite jumping on the opportunity to mislynch
[17:32] <wherebugsgo> kenpachi is just careless
[17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> now that you say that
[17:32] <jcarlsoniv_> i vaguely remember that from like a year ago
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> about kenpachi?
[17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeh
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> oh lol
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> well
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> I've only played with him twice
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> here and resurrection
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> not much difference tbh
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> I get a townie vibe from him in PMs
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> but you should talk to him
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> you should talk to all these players actually
[17:33] <wherebugsgo> don't mention I sent you
[17:33] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah, i'll see what i can find out
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> although, if kenpachi thinks i'm scum
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> he may not want to say anything at all
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> eh generally
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> the way you talk to someone will convince them of you being scum or town
[17:34] <wherebugsgo> so I'm sure if you just talk to him like we've talked it'll be fine
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> nah man
[17:34] <jcarlsoniv_> imma be like
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> YO Y U THINK I SCUM
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> LOL
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> aight so
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> this is what I'm gonna do
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> I'm gonna make a spreadsheet
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> with numbers and shit
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> of who thinks who is scum
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> numbers??? no wai
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> then maybe we can identify our mafia that way
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah man numbers and colors and shit
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> why don't you make it a google doc
[17:35] <wherebugsgo> yeah I will
[17:35] <jcarlsoniv_> ok
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> oh wtf
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> I pressed "create spreedsheet"
[17:36] <wherebugsgo> and it did nothing
[17:36] <jcarlsoniv_> you fail the internets
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> what the fak
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> lol wtf
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> it's seriously not doing anything
[17:37] <wherebugsgo> tried it in chrome and firefox
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> T_T
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> lemme try
[17:38] <jcarlsoniv_> on fucking IE cuz i'm on a library comp
[17:38] <wherebugsgo> lol Original Message From wherebugsgo: [17:49] <wherebugsgo___> well that was dumb [17:49] <wherebugsgo___> got booted off chrome somehow [17:49] == jcarlsoniv_ [webchat@198.7.239.20] [17:49] == realname : http://webchat.quakenet.org[17:49] == channels : #loonybin [17:49] == server : *.quakenet.org [QuakeNet IRC Server] [17:49] == End of WHOIS [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> rofl [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> you have [17:50] <jcarlsoniv_> so many underscores [17:50] <wherebugsgo___> yeah lol [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> I figured out what was wrong with the thing [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> it's google's "new look" in the doc page [17:51] <wherebugsgo___> switched it to classic and it worked lol [17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k [17:51] <jcarlsoniv_> so you're making it? [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> indeed will start now [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> okay [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> so [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> most likely scum to least likely for you? [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> remaining 12 players: [17:52] <wherebugsgo___> 2. sinani206 3. risk.nuke 4. jcarlsoniv 5. wherebugsgo 7. Nisani201 8. Erandorr 9. NotChezinu/Replaced by xtffc 13. Kenpachi 14. DropBear 15. Forumite 19. supersoft 20. Sevryn [17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhhhh [17:53] <jcarlsoniv_> this is like a fucking IQ test... [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> lawl [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> all of them [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> are below 80 [17:54] <jcarlsoniv_> below 80 what? [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> IQ [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> so basically [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> pick out the dumb townies [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> from the dumb scum game [17:54] <wherebugsgo___> that's what this is hahaha [17:55] <jcarlsoniv_> lovely [17:56] <jcarlsoniv_> gonna take a minute, doing hw at the same time haha [17:57] <wherebugsgo___> k sounds good [17:57] <wherebugsgo___> take your time no rush [18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> forumite/risknuke, sinani, DB, xtffc, supersoft, Sev, Kenpachi, Erandorr, nisani, WBG/jcarl [18:04] <jcarlsoniv_> i guess [18:04] <wherebugsgo___> aight [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> I'll put that in [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> at what point [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> do you cross from unsure [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> to town [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> at WBG/jcarl [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> jk [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> uhhh [18:05] <wherebugsgo___> sev/ken or xt/super [18:05] <jcarlsoniv_> probably somewhere between kenpachi and erandorr [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> ah okay [18:06] <jcarlsoniv_> actually, switch kenpachi and erandorr, i don't really have much on erandorr [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> alright [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> so [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> erandor and below [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> is unsure [18:06] <wherebugsgo___> and risk/forumite is scum [18:07] <jcarlsoniv_> how far is that from your list? [18:07] <wherebugsgo___> mmm [18:07] <wherebugsgo___> not terribly far but I think I have more info than you do [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> basically based on what Curu and Mig told me [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately they didn't give me reasons [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm sure they had them [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> you, me, kenpachi, super, erandor, nisani are all town [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> like above 90% on all of you [18:08] <wherebugsgo___> unfortunately erandor is mute but I have to say his posting in the thread is not scummy at all [18:09] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah that's why i'm unsure on erandorr [18:09] <wherebugsgo___> so basically out of these I'd rank kenpachi as the lowest on being sure because he said you and super are scum for no reason [18:09] <wherebugsgo___> but I'm still like 90 on him [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then we get into [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> xt/DB/sev/sinani [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> who are all derp and could be either [18:10] <wherebugsgo___> then forumite/risk of whom I think forumite is 95% scum and risk who is like 70% lol [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> but out of these I'd rank xt the highest, closest to town [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> then DB/sev are equal [18:11] <wherebugsgo___> sinani third to last and then risk/forumite [18:11] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i can jump on board with that [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> it comes down to determining which FoSes match [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> the DB/sev thing is like??? [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> probably both retard town [18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and we need to see who defends whom [18:13] <wherebugsgo___> yeah exactly [18:13] <jcarlsoniv_> and who condemns whom [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> did you notice [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> sevryn glossed over sinani? [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> AND forumite [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he asked if sinani was playing [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> but he didn't answer my question [18:15] <wherebugsgo___> he answered it about Forumite when I pressed the issue [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> but he gave me no opinion about sinani [18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> yeah i did [18:16] <jcarlsoniv_> i keep getting mixed up with nisani and sinani personally lol [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> lol [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> nisani is town [18:16] <wherebugsgo___> I can almost guarantee that [18:17] <jcarlsoniv_> lol k [18:17] <wherebugsgo___> as for sinani he could be on the moon and I wouldn't know [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> yah [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> we need to pressure the lurkers [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> weird for me to say cuz i'm kinda one of them [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> at least [18:18] <jcarlsoniv_> i'm a thread lurker [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> yeah but you're not a PM lurker [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> not like DB [18:18] <wherebugsgo___> who is both [18:19] <wherebugsgo___> or sinani [18:19] <wherebugsgo___> who just sucks [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> lol [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> ok, i'm going back to my room [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> save these logs [18:19] <jcarlsoniv_> cuz i can't, lol [18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> i'll be back on in like [18:20] <jcarlsoniv_> 5 - 10 minutes [18:20] <wherebugsgo___> alight sounds good Keep in mind these were all before I talked to DB in PMs. After I talked to DB in PMs I had a strong feeling he was town. At this point to be honest with all of you the only player I can say I really think is scum is sevryn. After that we've got one scum among 6 players so I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to find the last one if we just pressure everybody. ##vote Sevryn
I dont understand the case on me. I know I have been unactive and I apologize for that.but you say your sure im scum in the middle and then you really think i am scum. which is it? are you sure or do you just really think im scum? You vote for me and only have two lines in your entire post? a vote post thats 99% defensive seems kinda odd. also your whole defense here + Show Spoiler +
On October 08 2011 12:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
I had a feeling you thought I was scum.
That's why I PMed you.
I can't really say anything other than the fact that my play is not consistent with being scum. Yes, I know I haven't had the best reads this game, and for whatever reason people are expecting me to play better (and yes, I admit, I have played badly.)
I've gone on tilt several times this game already and I think that was part of my mistake. Every time I did it I destroyed whatever remained of my ability to reason.
Anyway, tomorrow you guys can decide whether you'd like to win or not. I realize I haven't been much use to you all (and I'll take the responsibility for xt's mislynch) but if you lynch me you'll be down another townie and it's not like that'll help you at all.
is basically you saying dont lynch me guiz im town sorry about my bad play ##vote wherebugsgo
I'm defending myself therefore I'm scum lol. Dude Sevryn if any other player were to play like you, they'd get insta lynched. But because you've made a name for yourself for being scummy as town, I have uncertainty about you. That's why it sucks. I can't say I'm for certain you're mafia, since you always play like this. But, the problem is that there are two scum and you've been scummy to everyone all game.
its not that your defending yourself that makes you scum its that if you take out all of your defenses your entire post is I'm sure sevryn is scum I really think sevryn is scum then you vote for me thats your entire vote post regarding me what kind of vote post is that
Are you fucking kidding?
You do nothing all game and then call me out on this rofl
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| Sevryn October 08 2011 15:52. Posts 694 | Profile # |
On October 08 2011 15:30 DropBear wrote:
Has everyone forgotten what happened yesterday so quickly?
Sevryn was about to be lynched and then a sudden miraculous last minute switch saves him. Can we please just hurry up and kill him already!
I don't think bugs is mafia, he is just erratic. He's obviously trying.
gotta give your props for being consistent. I dont think you have mentioned anyone else this entire game. and last minute switches dont mean shit
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| Forumite Sweden. October 08 2011 20:03. Posts 2934 | Profile # |
On October 08 2011 13:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
Keep in mind these were all before I talked to DB in PMs. After I talked to DB in PMs I had a strong feeling he was town.
At this point to be honest with all of you the only player I can say I really think is scum is sevryn. After that we've got one scum among 6 players so I imagine it shouldn't be too hard to find the last one if we just pressure everybody.
##vote Sevryn
Could you please clarify, and perhaps forward the talk between you and DB that convinced you that jcarl was Town? |
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| wherebugsgo United States. October 09 2011 03:26. Posts 7940 | Profile Blog # |
No, you misunderstood that. In the logs I gave you of my talk with jcarl, I say that DB is scummy. Then I talked to DB a couple hours later and the way he talked to me suggested he was a townie.
I can provide those logs if necessary, I'll add them when I'm on a computer. |
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| Forumite Sweden. October 09 2011 04:00. Posts 2934 | Profile # |
On October 09 2011 03:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
No, you misunderstood that. In the logs I gave you of my talk with jcarl, I say that DB is scummy. Then I talked to DB a couple hours later and the way he talked to me suggested he was a townie.
I can provide those logs if necessary, I'll add them when I'm on a computer.
Got it.
However that doesn´t explain why you were so sure that Jcarl was Town. What did you base this on? |
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| wherebugsgo United States. October 09 2011 04:07. Posts 7940 | Profile Blog # |
I based it on three things, mostly:
The fact that I thought he was playing similar to how he played in resurrection.
His exchange he had with Mig about Incog, particularly as Curu had pointed this out to me when I thought jcarl was scummy on day 3 (the day after Mig died and the day Curu was modkilled) and Curu had suggested to me that this made him less scummy (I agreed)
The way he talked to me in PMs and was willing to discuss possibilities/share information.
The one thing that was strange to me was why jcarl suddenly had a change of heart about Sevryn. He said he thought Sevryn was townie when Sevryn had done nothing between when jcarl talked tome and when he changed his opinion. That makes me wary of Sevryn even more.
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| Forumite Sweden. October 09 2011 04:55. Posts 2934 | Profile # |
| Apart from Sevryn, what are your reads? DB? Supers? |
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| supersoft Germany. October 09 2011 05:07. Posts 2746 | Profile # |
You're asking me about sev and wbg or wbg about me? ^_^
i really don't know. I am torn between DB/WBG and Sevryn/Nisani/Kenpachi |
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| Kenpachi United States. October 09 2011 08:19. Posts 9009 | Profile Blog # |
##vote Sevyrn
safest vote atm. |
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| wherebugsgo United States. October 09 2011 08:30. Posts 7940 | Profile Blog # |
On October 09 2011 04:55 Forumite wrote:
Apart from Sevryn, what are your reads? DB? Supers?
At this point I just want Sevryn to flip.
I'll try to PM people and see who might be scum.
Kenpachi and super are probably town, and I'm going to work on the assumption that you are as well.. Nisani/DB/risk could be either IMO but I'm leaning town on DB. |
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| Forumite Sweden. October 09 2011 09:25. Posts 2934 | Profile # |
| Jcarlsoniv was reluctant to vote Sevryn, and Sevryn himself acted more like a defiant Scum than a worried Townie when faced with a snipershot, and later the lynch. |
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| Sevryn October 09 2011 09:41. Posts 694 | Profile # |
On October 09 2011 08:19 Kenpachi wrote:
##vote Sevyrn
safest vote atm.
really poor vote for me aswell. whats the case against me? that ive been inactive? that ive acted scummy? tell me why you think im scummy. if its based purely because of inactivity there are people who have been more inactive than me namely dropbear. and I think WBG has been scummier what with his misread after misread.
On October 09 2011 09:25 Forumite wrote:
Jcarlsoniv was reluctant to vote Sevryn, and Sevryn himself acted more like a defiant Scum than a worried Townie when faced with a snipershot, and later the lynch.
I am a drunk demoman why would i be worried about dieing? only scum and blues are worried about dieing because when scum die town gains more information about their team thats why when scum know they are dieing they stop talking.
If i get lynched who else do you think is scummy?
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| Sevryn October 09 2011 09:41. Posts 694 | Profile # |
On October 09 2011 08:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:55 Forumite wrote:
Apart from Sevryn, what are your reads? DB? Supers?
At this point I just want Sevryn to flip. I'll try to PM people and see who might be scum. Kenpachi and super are probably town, and I'm going to work on the assumption that you are as well.. Nisani/DB/risk could be either IMO but I'm leaning town on DB.
What info do you get when I flip? |
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