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 L_Master   United States. September 21 2011 07:16. Posts 3495
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*Added a section to the OP for training logs. If you log your running online in an accessible form feel free to post your log up and I will add them to the OP.*

A thread for all my fellow TL'ers who run. A place to discuss goals, training, racing, motivation; anything related to running. Should be a little easier now that everything won't get lost in all the traffic of one mega-thread.

Useful/Good Articles/Training Concepts
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American<->SI Pace Conversion Tool (credit: Malinor)
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TL Members 2012 Goals/Progress:
Feel free to post up your goals for upcoming year, season, target race, etc. I will keep them updated.
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More sections to come as I have time to add to it!
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  travis   United States. September 21 2011 07:21. Posts 20426Profile Blog # 
So I was going to sign up to run a marathon but it costs 60 dollars which is total bullshit. So I am just going to make my own track and run my own marathon by myself, wish me luck.
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 L_Master   United States. September 21 2011 07:32. Posts 3495
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On September 21 2011 07:21 travis wrote:
So I was going to sign up to run a marathon but it costs 60 dollars which is total bullshit. So I am just going to make my own track and run my own marathon by myself, wish me luck.


Almost 105 laps of the track...man I would get bored.

Yea, thats the downside of races, especially the long ones...they just cost alot. 60 dollars is actually a pretty good price for a marathon, which can easily run 90+ (which is just silly).

Best of luck though, its definitely an accomplishment and a good stimulator to do some training.
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  travis   United States. September 21 2011 07:36. Posts 20426Profile Blog # 
Not a literal track. I mean just a course, on like a road lol.

Anyways I think I can already do it but I'll see how a couple half marathons feel just to make sure.
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 L_Master   United States. September 21 2011 07:38. Posts 3495
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On September 21 2011 07:36 travis wrote:
Not a literal track. I mean just a course, on like a road lol.


Yea, I figured that's what you meant, hence the smiley. The mental image of someone digging, leveling, installing their own track to run a marathon on it was just too good to pass up though!
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 dudeman001   United States. September 21 2011 07:40. Posts 2126
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I was about to make this thread but you beat me to it. Yay running! :D
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 AirbladeOrange   United States. September 21 2011 08:58. Posts 2072
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I'm trying to think of how I'm going to keep running as much as I want to in the winter. I hate treadmills and need to be on soft surfaces as much as possible. I run in the snow sometimes but it's much more difficult and not really the same as running not in snow. Any ideas for me?
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 exShikari   Australia. September 21 2011 09:04. Posts 237
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On September 21 2011 08:58 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I'm trying to think of how I'm going to keep running as much as I want to in the winter. I hate treadmills and need to be on soft surfaces as much as possible. I run in the snow sometimes but it's much more difficult and not really the same as running not in snow. Any ideas for me?

Got any parklands nearby?
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 L_Master   United States. September 21 2011 09:06. Posts 3495
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On September 21 2011 08:58 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I'm trying to think of how I'm going to keep running as much as I want to in the winter. I hate treadmills and need to be on soft surfaces as much as possible. I run in the snow sometimes but it's much more difficult and not really the same as running not in snow. Any ideas for me?


I love in Colorado so yea I get to deal with this lovely issue every winter. I don't much care for the treadmill either, so I try to avoid it when possible. If it's particularly bad with many inches/feet of fresh snow I usually have no choice but to suck it up and TM it. I usually do this for workouts in the winter, since their is no way I can hit desired paces if their is snow on the ground unless I go use the treadmill. For general aerobic running, pace doesn't matter much so I usually go outside.

Other than that, I deal with the snow as best as possible. Which usually means I try to pick the sunniest, most exposed routes. The one "good" thing about snow is that it kinda turns everything into a soft surface so the roads can often be run on in the interim until the snow is low enough on trails to run on.

The other thing I find useful is Screw Shoe/YakTrax for decent traction on the snow and ice. It makes a BIG difference in effort and ease of running when your not slipping so much all over the place.


I run in the snow sometimes but it's much more difficult and not really the same as running not in snow.


Hmm, sorta agree. If you have specific workouts your doing..then yea the snow will mess with that since you won't be able to run at the desired paces you want, which is relevant for race preparation even if you can run the same effort on the snow (basically the entire reason for the "live high, train low" mantra)

However, for general aerobic runs and mileage running on the snow is just as good as running on a normal gravel/trail/asphalt/concrete surface.

Last edit: 2011-09-21 09:12:09
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  travis   United States. September 21 2011 09:09. Posts 20426Profile Blog # 

On September 21 2011 08:58 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I'm trying to think of how I'm going to keep running as much as I want to in the winter. I hate treadmills and need to be on soft surfaces as much as possible. I run in the snow sometimes but it's much more difficult and not really the same as running not in snow. Any ideas for me?


just run on snow anyways? whats the problem
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 AirbladeOrange   United States. September 21 2011 09:19. Posts 2072
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When I say run in the snow I mean in parks and green areas where there is usually several inches at any given time in the winter. They do make running snow shoes but those are expensive and it's still a different than regular running.
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 ShaLLoW[baY]   Canada. September 21 2011 10:26. Posts 10557
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f you EVER have to take a break to walk (and its just not immense fatigue from long distance) you're running WAY to hard


...uh ooooh Although it's not really my breath that runs out, my calves/achilles tendon area get SO tight

Seriously, I've been trying to get into running for so long, considering it's the primary form of PT/group activity in the military, and I can never get into it. Running bores the hell out of me and I'd much rather throw around weights.

I love sprints/intervals, but anything longer than 1km is a drag, and anything longer than 5km is just a ridiculous prospect to me Is it possible to become a better running at the intermediate ranges through intervals/weights, or do you HAVE to run kms upon kms to get better at it?

(I realize it might be a dumb question, but I have to ask. If I can get better cardio through interval running, I will be a happy camper...unfortunately all military runs are with beanpoles who can breeze a 20k so it's really not my favorite environment )
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 Azerbaijan   United States. September 21 2011 10:39. Posts 530
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For anyone who wants to get into running I suggest reading this book
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If you have wanted to run or just get healthier in general this book will give you a lot of motivation.
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 wattabeast   United States. September 21 2011 11:09. Posts 957
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On September 21 2011 10:39 Azerbaijan wrote:
For anyone who wants to get into running I suggest reading this book
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If you have wanted to run or just get healthier in general this book will give you a lot of motivation.

I could vouch for you on that book, it is fantastic. This started the whole webbed-shoe fad btw Same with the resurgence of barefoot running. Fantastic book ^^
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 L_Master   United States. September 21 2011 11:12. Posts 3495
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...uh ooooh Although it's not really my breath that runs out, my calves/achilles tendon area get SO tight


Ah, thats different then. I have heard alot of people that have this issue; though in general I think its just a too much too soon. Play around with going a little slower, and keeping the mileage a little less. Maybe start with a 1-2K run and after a little of that extend it up towards a 4-5K affair. Should give your legs, joints, tendons a little more of a chance to ease on into it.

I should add that that only applies if your new and just easing in. If you want to get fast, your going to need plenty of faster sessions like tempos, repeats, intervals, races, etc; all of which are not "easy" runs, though they aren't necessarily brutal either (except races).


Seriously, I've been trying to get into running for so long, considering it's the primary form of PT/group activity in the military, and I can never get into it. Running bores the hell out of me and I'd much rather throw around weights.

I love sprints/intervals, but anything longer than 1km is a drag, and anything longer than 5km is just a ridiculous prospect to me Is it possible to become a better running at the intermediate ranges through intervals/weights, or do you HAVE to run kms upon kms to get better at it?

(I realize it might be a dumb question, but I have to ask. If I can get better cardio through interval running, I will be a happy camper...unfortunately all military runs are with beanpoles who can breeze a 20k so it's really not my favorite environment )


Different strokes for different strokes. I used to be majorly this way, but after months of grinding it out on the treadmill and then switching to outside I suddenly started enjoying it. As I got faster I came to absolutely love it, that sensation of effortlessly gliding along at a strong pace.

Especially since you say intervals don't keep you as bored, on option would be to make some of your runs "fartlek" runs. Basically you have a speed your cruising along at and then when your feeling it you pick some target and surge at it however hard you want. Maybe full sprint to a tree 50m away, or a strong surge to that sign a quarter mile down the road. Whatever feels "right" to you. Its a good way of changing up runs and adding some variety.

We might be thinking different things by intervals. Generally "sprints" refers to anything between probably 30m-400m that is run faster than 800m race pace, generally involving long recoveries. Intervals, in the distance running sense, tend to range from 200m-1600m and more often that not involve recovery time equal to or less than the "on" portion.

Doing sprints might help your shortest distance, a little in the 800m, possibly a smidge in the 1500m/1600m/mile, and probably not at all in anything longer. Speed just isn't the critical factor at those levels until you have really developed your endurance. Yes, a person that can run 400m all out in 54 seconds isn't going to go sub 4 in the mile, but until he is deep into the 4's his "lack" of speed isn't going to help him and additional speed probably won't do much either because he isn't running close enough to max speed to need to feel more relaxed at a high speed.

Standard middle distance or long distance intervals will help your running some, up to a point. The problem is that the gains from these intervals are usually pretty easy to max out in 2-3 months and after that point you have nowhere left to go. Continuing hard interval sessions longer than that usually results in stagnation and a feeling of "deadness/flatness" in your legs/running. If your capable of running a 6:30 mile, and then do intervals for 8-12 weeks its very possible, depending on how well you respond to hard training, that you could drop to 6:15, 6:00, or maybe even mid 5's if your a high responder. Problem is, after that you have nowhere to go. Your body adapts to the training and you can't safely add any more volume/intensity to the intervals because you have no base to support it.

The 800m is the closest to being the exception as you can train for the 800 as a power oriented 400m runner and have some success. There are elite 800m runners running 40-60 mpw (granted much of it as hard track sessions) that have good success.

You won't really be able to do much beyond the 800m and to some extent the 1500m however because you won't have the strength for it. There is a reason why its so common to see a HS kid with times like 2:05/4:40/10:45/18:30. They have the speed and power, and can get by on that at the short events, but without the long term aerobic strength and mileage base they can't get anywhere near the 2:05/4:30/9:30/15:30 they are capable of running.

Basically you need the overall mileage for a few reasons. One is to be able to handle more intervals and intense work. Without the base work the interval sessions become to long for your body because it isn't used to high levels of stress and it becomes extremely easy to get injured or overtrain. Second, without the mileage base your only really working the anaerobic side and entirely ignoring your aerobic engine. Finally, with just interval sessions you get stale because the anaerboic/VO2 max side can be whipped into shape fast and once you have maxed that its pretty much necessary to go back and do some aerobic training before returning to hard track work.
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 Taekwon   United States. September 21 2011 11:28. Posts 7971
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Running is my alternative cardio but I find it more difficult to feel motivated for in comparison to Taekwondo.

I manage around 40 laps around my track which is about 5 miles but I never feel the need to do more.

NOR do I want to since I'm flat footed.

Any tips for flat footed peeps? Endurance and pure persistence is all I'm using.
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 AirbladeOrange   United States. September 21 2011 11:30. Posts 2072
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On September 21 2011 10:26 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:

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...uh ooooh Although it's not really my breath that runs out, my calves/achilles tendon area get SO tight

Seriously, I've been trying to get into running for so long, considering it's the primary form of PT/group activity in the military, and I can never get into it. Running bores the hell out of me and I'd much rather throw around weights.

I love sprints/intervals, but anything longer than 1km is a drag, and anything longer than 5km is just a ridiculous prospect to me Is it possible to become a better running at the intermediate ranges through intervals/weights, or do you HAVE to run kms upon kms to get better at it?

(I realize it might be a dumb question, but I have to ask. If I can get better cardio through interval running, I will be a happy camper...unfortunately all military runs are with beanpoles who can breeze a 20k so it's really not my favorite environment )


When your calves and achilles get tight, are they sore too?

Generally speaking, you can't get better at running long distances by running shorter distances. However, there is a great deal of benefit you can get from doing faster, shorter running. It's great for burning calories as well as building muscle.
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 L_Master   United States. September 21 2011 11:34. Posts 3495
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On September 21 2011 11:28 Taekwon wrote:
Running is my alternative cardio but I find it more difficult to feel motivated for in comparison to Taekwondo.

I manage around 40 laps around my track which is about 5 miles but I never feel the need to do more.

NOR do I want to since I'm flat footed.

Any tips for flat footed peeps? Endurance and pure persistence is all I'm using.



I'm flat-footed, no arch, and thus over-pronate a reasonable amount. Never really been an issue for me tbh. One time I had an issue with the medial malleolus/posterior tibial tendon, but PT combined with an orthotic has taken care of that for me. I've been pretty much injury free these last 6 months, despite doing some intense training and having a 70+ mpw volume.

Being flat-footed certainly doesn't stop you from running.


Generally speaking, you can't get better at running long distances by running shorter distances. However, there is a great deal of benefit you can get from doing faster, shorter running. It's great for burning calories as well as building muscle.


+1. Sprinting/Harder Intervals are great for weight loss and muscle development (sprinting is strength training tbh).
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 AirbladeOrange   United States. September 21 2011 11:36. Posts 2072
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On September 21 2011 11:28 Taekwon wrote:
Running is my alternative cardio but I find it more difficult to feel motivated for in comparison to Taekwondo.

I manage around 40 laps around my track which is about 5 miles but I never feel the need to do more.

NOR do I want to since I'm flat footed.

Any tips for flat footed peeps? Endurance and pure persistence is all I'm using.



Try varying up your running. Do sprints, intervals, hills, or a mix of a bunch of stuff. Run with a partner or try running at new and interesting places.

As for being flat footed, some people buy a specific shoe or insert to compensate for that. Other people swear by a minimalist shoe or just running barefoot. If you try out a minimalist shoe or barefoot running you have to build up very slowly to get accustomed.

I know people who love the Vibram Five Fingers shoe. Check it out:
http://www.rei.com/gear/feature/search/Google/Vibram%20FiveFingers?s_kwcid=TC|13029|vibram||S|e|7883297165&cm_mmc=ps_google_OW-_-Category%20-%20Footwear-_-Footwear_Brand_Vibram-_-vibram&gclid=COLY44umrasCFSoCQAodPRwiIA
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 AnxiousHippo   Australia. September 21 2011 19:14. Posts 1445
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I usually do about 3k in 10 min. High Intensity Training is also really nice, I do it Tabata style but you really feel the burn; I definitely wouldn't recommend it for beginners.

Also, what do you use to record/track results? I use Nike+ but I don't know how good it's distance measuring is.
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