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| AirbladeOrange United States. July 18 2012 21:35. Posts 2074 | Profile Blog # |
On July 18 2012 13:16 itkovian wrote:
I'll post my running PR's since it will be a while until I break them again. They were done during the height of my cross country training senior year, and it would take a ton of effort to get in that kind of shape again. I'm going to try and break under a 5 min mile when I turn 30, since I've heard that is when your body would be in peak running form. Until then:
body weight - 68kg
1600m - 5:02
5000m - 17:40
Once I get back to school, and back in the gym, I'll post some weight lifting maxes
It's more about how long you've been in the running game than how old you are. At 30 most people can still perform at very high levels but it's generally for the longer distances not shorter. It's definitely not a magic age where you become a good runner automatically. That being said, why wait to try to reach your goal?
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| L_Master United States. July 19 2012 03:58. Posts 3512 | Profile Blog # |
On July 18 2012 21:35 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 13:16 itkovian wrote:
I'll post my running PR's since it will be a while until I break them again. They were done during the height of my cross country training senior year, and it would take a ton of effort to get in that kind of shape again. I'm going to try and break under a 5 min mile when I turn 30, since I've heard that is when your body would be in peak running form. Until then:
body weight - 68kg
1600m - 5:02
5000m - 17:40
Once I get back to school, and back in the gym, I'll post some weight lifting maxes
It's more about how long you've been in the running game than how old you are. At 30 most people can still perform at very high levels but it's generally for the longer distances not shorter. It's definitely not a magic age where you become a good runner automatically. That being said, why wait to try to reach your goal?
Based on that you have already done 5:02 off of HS training there is little doubt you could go much better than 5:00 with more training. Yes, there is little reason to think you can't go break 5 at 30, since you clearly have the talent to do so.
However, waiting that long is only going to make it harder. You'll be even more years removed from serious running, and you'll already be approaching that age at which speed starts to deteriorate. It's usually in the early to mid 30's that you see 1500m guys that used to be great in that event moving up to the 5K cause they no longer have the wheels to be top notch 1500m competitors. Same with 5k guys and 10k guys moving up. The reason most people are near their peak in their very late twenties or very early thirties is not because it's their bodies physical peak, which is probably more like early/mid 20's, but because they are reaching 10+ years of serious, diligent training and are maxing out their capabilities as a runner. A runner starting from nothing at 23 is much more likely to be a better runner than his equivalent starting out at 30. |
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| itkovian United States. July 19 2012 12:57. Posts 1594 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 03:58 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 21:35 AirbladeOrange wrote:
On July 18 2012 13:16 itkovian wrote:
I'll post my running PR's since it will be a while until I break them again. They were done during the height of my cross country training senior year, and it would take a ton of effort to get in that kind of shape again. I'm going to try and break under a 5 min mile when I turn 30, since I've heard that is when your body would be in peak running form. Until then:
body weight - 68kg
1600m - 5:02
5000m - 17:40
Once I get back to school, and back in the gym, I'll post some weight lifting maxes
It's more about how long you've been in the running game than how old you are. At 30 most people can still perform at very high levels but it's generally for the longer distances not shorter. It's definitely not a magic age where you become a good runner automatically. That being said, why wait to try to reach your goal?
Based on that you have already done 5:02 off of HS training there is little doubt you could go much better than 5:00 with more training. Yes, there is little reason to think you can't go break 5 at 30, since you clearly have the talent to do so. However, waiting that long is only going to make it harder. You'll be even more years removed from serious running, and you'll already be approaching that age at which speed starts to deteriorate. It's usually in the early to mid 30's that you see 1500m guys that used to be great in that event moving up to the 5K cause they no longer have the wheels to be top notch 1500m competitors. Same with 5k guys and 10k guys moving up. The reason most people are near their peak in their very late twenties or very early thirties is not because it's their bodies physical peak, which is probably more like early/mid 20's, but because they are reaching 10+ years of serious, diligent training and are maxing out their capabilities as a runner. A runner starting from nothing at 23 is much more likely to be a better runner than his equivalent starting out at 30.
Hmm, thanks for the info. I guess I know I can break 5:00 with more training, I always just figured 30 was the optimum time to do it. After XC season was done in HS, I switched my focus to soccer in the spring, so I knew if I wanted to break five I'd have to train for it later. I saw 30 as an age where I would have to work the least hard to accomplish breaking it, but now I see that's probably not true.
Recently I've been thinking about doing serious running again. (I'm only 20, so waiting ten years would be a little overkill haha) But I've been afraid that if I start training to break 5:00 I will have to give it my full physical effort, meaning I'd have to stop training upper body seriously for a few months. And right now, my upper body has been more of a priority for me |
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| L_Master United States. July 19 2012 13:27. Posts 3512 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 12:57 itkovian wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 03:58 L_Master wrote:
On July 18 2012 21:35 AirbladeOrange wrote:
On July 18 2012 13:16 itkovian wrote:
I'll post my running PR's since it will be a while until I break them again. They were done during the height of my cross country training senior year, and it would take a ton of effort to get in that kind of shape again. I'm going to try and break under a 5 min mile when I turn 30, since I've heard that is when your body would be in peak running form. Until then:
body weight - 68kg
1600m - 5:02
5000m - 17:40
Once I get back to school, and back in the gym, I'll post some weight lifting maxes
It's more about how long you've been in the running game than how old you are. At 30 most people can still perform at very high levels but it's generally for the longer distances not shorter. It's definitely not a magic age where you become a good runner automatically. That being said, why wait to try to reach your goal?
Based on that you have already done 5:02 off of HS training there is little doubt you could go much better than 5:00 with more training. Yes, there is little reason to think you can't go break 5 at 30, since you clearly have the talent to do so. However, waiting that long is only going to make it harder. You'll be even more years removed from serious running, and you'll already be approaching that age at which speed starts to deteriorate. It's usually in the early to mid 30's that you see 1500m guys that used to be great in that event moving up to the 5K cause they no longer have the wheels to be top notch 1500m competitors. Same with 5k guys and 10k guys moving up. The reason most people are near their peak in their very late twenties or very early thirties is not because it's their bodies physical peak, which is probably more like early/mid 20's, but because they are reaching 10+ years of serious, diligent training and are maxing out their capabilities as a runner. A runner starting from nothing at 23 is much more likely to be a better runner than his equivalent starting out at 30.
Hmm, thanks for the info. I guess I know I can break 5:00 with more training, I always just figured 30 was the optimum time to do it. After XC season was done in HS, I switched my focus to soccer in the spring, so I knew if I wanted to break five I'd have to train for it later. I saw 30 as an age where I would have to work the least hard to accomplish breaking it, but now I see that's probably not true. Recently I've been thinking about doing serious running again. (I'm only 20, so waiting ten years would be a little overkill haha) But I've been afraid that if I start training to break 5:00 I will have to give it my full physical effort, meaning I'd have to stop training upper body seriously for a few months. And right now, my upper body has been more of a priority for me
Why would you need to stop the weight training? Unless it's a time issue it shouldn't be any problem to do some weight training and running at the same time, I know I had no problem mixing the two at the various points where I have done decent strength training. If your running a ton and not dramatically upping the eating you might not gain as much mass as your shooting for but it's definitely possible to do strength work and still run seriously/competitively. |
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| extr3me Norway. July 20 2012 08:28. Posts 143 | Profile # |
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| AirbladeOrange United States. July 20 2012 11:34. Posts 2074 | Profile Blog # |
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| itkovian United States. July 20 2012 12:23. Posts 1594 | Profile Blog # |
On July 19 2012 13:27 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 12:57 itkovian wrote:
On July 19 2012 03:58 L_Master wrote:
On July 18 2012 21:35 AirbladeOrange wrote:
On July 18 2012 13:16 itkovian wrote:
I'll post my running PR's since it will be a while until I break them again. They were done during the height of my cross country training senior year, and it would take a ton of effort to get in that kind of shape again. I'm going to try and break under a 5 min mile when I turn 30, since I've heard that is when your body would be in peak running form. Until then:
body weight - 68kg
1600m - 5:02
5000m - 17:40
Once I get back to school, and back in the gym, I'll post some weight lifting maxes
It's more about how long you've been in the running game than how old you are. At 30 most people can still perform at very high levels but it's generally for the longer distances not shorter. It's definitely not a magic age where you become a good runner automatically. That being said, why wait to try to reach your goal?
Based on that you have already done 5:02 off of HS training there is little doubt you could go much better than 5:00 with more training. Yes, there is little reason to think you can't go break 5 at 30, since you clearly have the talent to do so. However, waiting that long is only going to make it harder. You'll be even more years removed from serious running, and you'll already be approaching that age at which speed starts to deteriorate. It's usually in the early to mid 30's that you see 1500m guys that used to be great in that event moving up to the 5K cause they no longer have the wheels to be top notch 1500m competitors. Same with 5k guys and 10k guys moving up. The reason most people are near their peak in their very late twenties or very early thirties is not because it's their bodies physical peak, which is probably more like early/mid 20's, but because they are reaching 10+ years of serious, diligent training and are maxing out their capabilities as a runner. A runner starting from nothing at 23 is much more likely to be a better runner than his equivalent starting out at 30.
Hmm, thanks for the info. I guess I know I can break 5:00 with more training, I always just figured 30 was the optimum time to do it. After XC season was done in HS, I switched my focus to soccer in the spring, so I knew if I wanted to break five I'd have to train for it later. I saw 30 as an age where I would have to work the least hard to accomplish breaking it, but now I see that's probably not true. Recently I've been thinking about doing serious running again. (I'm only 20, so waiting ten years would be a little overkill haha) But I've been afraid that if I start training to break 5:00 I will have to give it my full physical effort, meaning I'd have to stop training upper body seriously for a few months. And right now, my upper body has been more of a priority for me
Why would you need to stop the weight training? Unless it's a time issue it shouldn't be any problem to do some weight training and running at the same time, I know I had no problem mixing the two at the various points where I have done decent strength training. If your running a ton and not dramatically upping the eating you might not gain as much mass as your shooting for but it's definitely possible to do strength work and still run seriously/competitively.
Yeah it would mostly be a time issue. As it is now, I run every fourth day in my workout routine. If I wanted to break five I'd assume I should be running every day. And if I did that I would have to run in the morning and lift in the afternoon or vice-versa, which would end up being too much work for me at the moment. At least, that's what I'd imagine I'd end up doing. I've been under the impression its bad to lift weights and run immediately afterwards, so I would want to split them on different ends of the day. But maybe I've heard wrong... is it bad to do one after the other? |
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| AirbladeOrange United States. July 20 2012 14:06. Posts 2074 | Profile Blog # |
On July 20 2012 12:23 itkovian wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 13:27 L_Master wrote:
On July 19 2012 12:57 itkovian wrote:
On July 19 2012 03:58 L_Master wrote:
On July 18 2012 21:35 AirbladeOrange wrote:
On July 18 2012 13:16 itkovian wrote:
I'll post my running PR's since it will be a while until I break them again. They were done during the height of my cross country training senior year, and it would take a ton of effort to get in that kind of shape again. I'm going to try and break under a 5 min mile when I turn 30, since I've heard that is when your body would be in peak running form. Until then:
body weight - 68kg
1600m - 5:02
5000m - 17:40
Once I get back to school, and back in the gym, I'll post some weight lifting maxes
It's more about how long you've been in the running game than how old you are. At 30 most people can still perform at very high levels but it's generally for the longer distances not shorter. It's definitely not a magic age where you become a good runner automatically. That being said, why wait to try to reach your goal?
Based on that you have already done 5:02 off of HS training there is little doubt you could go much better than 5:00 with more training. Yes, there is little reason to think you can't go break 5 at 30, since you clearly have the talent to do so. However, waiting that long is only going to make it harder. You'll be even more years removed from serious running, and you'll already be approaching that age at which speed starts to deteriorate. It's usually in the early to mid 30's that you see 1500m guys that used to be great in that event moving up to the 5K cause they no longer have the wheels to be top notch 1500m competitors. Same with 5k guys and 10k guys moving up. The reason most people are near their peak in their very late twenties or very early thirties is not because it's their bodies physical peak, which is probably more like early/mid 20's, but because they are reaching 10+ years of serious, diligent training and are maxing out their capabilities as a runner. A runner starting from nothing at 23 is much more likely to be a better runner than his equivalent starting out at 30.
Hmm, thanks for the info. I guess I know I can break 5:00 with more training, I always just figured 30 was the optimum time to do it. After XC season was done in HS, I switched my focus to soccer in the spring, so I knew if I wanted to break five I'd have to train for it later. I saw 30 as an age where I would have to work the least hard to accomplish breaking it, but now I see that's probably not true. Recently I've been thinking about doing serious running again. (I'm only 20, so waiting ten years would be a little overkill haha) But I've been afraid that if I start training to break 5:00 I will have to give it my full physical effort, meaning I'd have to stop training upper body seriously for a few months. And right now, my upper body has been more of a priority for me
Why would you need to stop the weight training? Unless it's a time issue it shouldn't be any problem to do some weight training and running at the same time, I know I had no problem mixing the two at the various points where I have done decent strength training. If your running a ton and not dramatically upping the eating you might not gain as much mass as your shooting for but it's definitely possible to do strength work and still run seriously/competitively.
Yeah it would mostly be a time issue. As it is now, I run every fourth day in my workout routine. If I wanted to break five I'd assume I should be running every day. And if I did that I would have to run in the morning and lift in the afternoon or vice-versa, which would end up being too much work for me at the moment. At least, that's what I'd imagine I'd end up doing. I've been under the impression its bad to lift weights and run immediately afterwards, so I would want to split them on different ends of the day. But maybe I've heard wrong... is it bad to do one after the other?
Whether you run or lift first really depends on your priorities. Doing both can be done but you probably won't be able to do both as well as you could if you focused more on one. They don't necessarily negatively impact each other but you just can't concentrate on both 100%. Do you prioritize one goal over the other? How much time and effort are you putting into lifting? Maybe alternate running before then after and see what is better for you.
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| extr3me Norway. July 20 2012 21:29. Posts 143 | Profile # | |
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| itkovian United States. July 21 2012 10:42. Posts 1594 | Profile Blog # |
On July 20 2012 14:06 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 12:23 itkovian wrote:
On July 19 2012 13:27 L_Master wrote:
On July 19 2012 12:57 itkovian wrote:
On July 19 2012 03:58 L_Master wrote:
On July 18 2012 21:35 AirbladeOrange wrote:
On July 18 2012 13:16 itkovian wrote:
I'll post my running PR's since it will be a while until I break them again. They were done during the height of my cross country training senior year, and it would take a ton of effort to get in that kind of shape again. I'm going to try and break under a 5 min mile when I turn 30, since I've heard that is when your body would be in peak running form. Until then:
body weight - 68kg
1600m - 5:02
5000m - 17:40
Once I get back to school, and back in the gym, I'll post some weight lifting maxes
It's more about how long you've been in the running game than how old you are. At 30 most people can still perform at very high levels but it's generally for the longer distances not shorter. It's definitely not a magic age where you become a good runner automatically. That being said, why wait to try to reach your goal?
Based on that you have already done 5:02 off of HS training there is little doubt you could go much better than 5:00 with more training. Yes, there is little reason to think you can't go break 5 at 30, since you clearly have the talent to do so. However, waiting that long is only going to make it harder. You'll be even more years removed from serious running, and you'll already be approaching that age at which speed starts to deteriorate. It's usually in the early to mid 30's that you see 1500m guys that used to be great in that event moving up to the 5K cause they no longer have the wheels to be top notch 1500m competitors. Same with 5k guys and 10k guys moving up. The reason most people are near their peak in their very late twenties or very early thirties is not because it's their bodies physical peak, which is probably more like early/mid 20's, but because they are reaching 10+ years of serious, diligent training and are maxing out their capabilities as a runner. A runner starting from nothing at 23 is much more likely to be a better runner than his equivalent starting out at 30.
Hmm, thanks for the info. I guess I know I can break 5:00 with more training, I always just figured 30 was the optimum time to do it. After XC season was done in HS, I switched my focus to soccer in the spring, so I knew if I wanted to break five I'd have to train for it later. I saw 30 as an age where I would have to work the least hard to accomplish breaking it, but now I see that's probably not true. Recently I've been thinking about doing serious running again. (I'm only 20, so waiting ten years would be a little overkill haha) But I've been afraid that if I start training to break 5:00 I will have to give it my full physical effort, meaning I'd have to stop training upper body seriously for a few months. And right now, my upper body has been more of a priority for me
Why would you need to stop the weight training? Unless it's a time issue it shouldn't be any problem to do some weight training and running at the same time, I know I had no problem mixing the two at the various points where I have done decent strength training. If your running a ton and not dramatically upping the eating you might not gain as much mass as your shooting for but it's definitely possible to do strength work and still run seriously/competitively.
Yeah it would mostly be a time issue. As it is now, I run every fourth day in my workout routine. If I wanted to break five I'd assume I should be running every day. And if I did that I would have to run in the morning and lift in the afternoon or vice-versa, which would end up being too much work for me at the moment. At least, that's what I'd imagine I'd end up doing. I've been under the impression its bad to lift weights and run immediately afterwards, so I would want to split them on different ends of the day. But maybe I've heard wrong... is it bad to do one after the other?
Whether you run or lift first really depends on your priorities. Doing both can be done but you probably won't be able to do both as well as you could if you focused more on one. They don't necessarily negatively impact each other but you just can't concentrate on both 100%. Do you prioritize one goal over the other? How much time and effort are you putting into lifting? Maybe alternate running before then after and see what is better for you.
Right now I prioritize upper body over lower, and it while probably stay that way for a while. I would run after I lift, i'm just worried it would slow down my recovery for upper body. Since I've heard you want to take protein within ten minutes of lifting, and that wouldn't work if I ran for ten or twenty minutes afterwards. Also, wouldn't I be essentially splitting my nutrient resources between recovering both my lower and upper body? Making my recovery slower? |
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| AirbladeOrange United States. July 21 2012 12:34. Posts 2074 | Profile Blog # |
On July 21 2012 10:42 itkovian wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 14:06 AirbladeOrange wrote:
On July 20 2012 12:23 itkovian wrote:
On July 19 2012 13:27 L_Master wrote:
On July 19 2012 12:57 itkovian wrote:
On July 19 2012 03:58 L_Master wrote:
On July 18 2012 21:35 AirbladeOrange wrote:
On July 18 2012 13:16 itkovian wrote:
I'll post my running PR's since it will be a while until I break them again. They were done during the height of my cross country training senior year, and it would take a ton of effort to get in that kind of shape again. I'm going to try and break under a 5 min mile when I turn 30, since I've heard that is when your body would be in peak running form. Until then:
body weight - 68kg
1600m - 5:02
5000m - 17:40
Once I get back to school, and back in the gym, I'll post some weight lifting maxes
It's more about how long you've been in the running game than how old you are. At 30 most people can still perform at very high levels but it's generally for the longer distances not shorter. It's definitely not a magic age where you become a good runner automatically. That being said, why wait to try to reach your goal?
Based on that you have already done 5:02 off of HS training there is little doubt you could go much better than 5:00 with more training. Yes, there is little reason to think you can't go break 5 at 30, since you clearly have the talent to do so. However, waiting that long is only going to make it harder. You'll be even more years removed from serious running, and you'll already be approaching that age at which speed starts to deteriorate. It's usually in the early to mid 30's that you see 1500m guys that used to be great in that event moving up to the 5K cause they no longer have the wheels to be top notch 1500m competitors. Same with 5k guys and 10k guys moving up. The reason most people are near their peak in their very late twenties or very early thirties is not because it's their bodies physical peak, which is probably more like early/mid 20's, but because they are reaching 10+ years of serious, diligent training and are maxing out their capabilities as a runner. A runner starting from nothing at 23 is much more likely to be a better runner than his equivalent starting out at 30.
Hmm, thanks for the info. I guess I know I can break 5:00 with more training, I always just figured 30 was the optimum time to do it. After XC season was done in HS, I switched my focus to soccer in the spring, so I knew if I wanted to break five I'd have to train for it later. I saw 30 as an age where I would have to work the least hard to accomplish breaking it, but now I see that's probably not true. Recently I've been thinking about doing serious running again. (I'm only 20, so waiting ten years would be a little overkill haha) But I've been afraid that if I start training to break 5:00 I will have to give it my full physical effort, meaning I'd have to stop training upper body seriously for a few months. And right now, my upper body has been more of a priority for me
Why would you need to stop the weight training? Unless it's a time issue it shouldn't be any problem to do some weight training and running at the same time, I know I had no problem mixing the two at the various points where I have done decent strength training. If your running a ton and not dramatically upping the eating you might not gain as much mass as your shooting for but it's definitely possible to do strength work and still run seriously/competitively.
Yeah it would mostly be a time issue. As it is now, I run every fourth day in my workout routine. If I wanted to break five I'd assume I should be running every day. And if I did that I would have to run in the morning and lift in the afternoon or vice-versa, which would end up being too much work for me at the moment. At least, that's what I'd imagine I'd end up doing. I've been under the impression its bad to lift weights and run immediately afterwards, so I would want to split them on different ends of the day. But maybe I've heard wrong... is it bad to do one after the other?
Whether you run or lift first really depends on your priorities. Doing both can be done but you probably won't be able to do both as well as you could if you focused more on one. They don't necessarily negatively impact each other but you just can't concentrate on both 100%. Do you prioritize one goal over the other? How much time and effort are you putting into lifting? Maybe alternate running before then after and see what is better for you.
Right now I prioritize upper body over lower, and it while probably stay that way for a while. I would run after I lift, i'm just worried it would slow down my recovery for upper body. Since I've heard you want to take protein within ten minutes of lifting, and that wouldn't work if I ran for ten or twenty minutes afterwards. Also, wouldn't I be essentially splitting my nutrient resources between recovering both my lower and upper body? Making my recovery slower?
Yeah, you would be hampering your lifting recovery a little bit by running right afterward. Also you won't be able to get quite as good quality run if you have just lifted. That's why it gets tricky and you gotta figure out what's more important and how you want to go about this.
How can you handle eating and drinking before running? Definitely get some protein in your body after lifting and before running. Can you handle a shake before a run? If you're going to run only after you lift you gotta be able to recover from lifting AND have the energy necessary to run well.
Edit: How long does it take you to lift? The window to take protein and have a caloric feast is more like 30 minutes. If you could condense your routine to the most important exercises on the days you run afterward you might be able to get away with doing both before you eat (not counting some protein in between them).
For your easy endurance runs you could just do them before you lift and count it as some of your warmup. They won't take much out of you so that you'll still have energy to lift then eat a big meal after it's been too long.
And for a mile you need some speed. Speed work could count for lower body. Doing sprints, hills, drills, ect are great for lower body strength.
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| itkovian United States. July 21 2012 13:16. Posts 1594 | Profile Blog # |
On July 21 2012 12:34 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 10:42 itkovian wrote:
On July 20 2012 14:06 AirbladeOrange wrote:
On July 20 2012 12:23 itkovian wrote:
On July 19 2012 13:27 L_Master wrote:
On July 19 2012 12:57 itkovian wrote:
On July 19 2012 03:58 L_Master wrote:
On July 18 2012 21:35 AirbladeOrange wrote:
On July 18 2012 13:16 itkovian wrote:
I'll post my running PR's since it will be a while until I break them again. They were done during the height of my cross country training senior year, and it would take a ton of effort to get in that kind of shape again. I'm going to try and break under a 5 min mile when I turn 30, since I've heard that is when your body would be in peak running form. Until then:
body weight - 68kg
1600m - 5:02
5000m - 17:40
Once I get back to school, and back in the gym, I'll post some weight lifting maxes
It's more about how long you've been in the running game than how old you are. At 30 most people can still perform at very high levels but it's generally for the longer distances not shorter. It's definitely not a magic age where you become a good runner automatically. That being said, why wait to try to reach your goal?
Based on that you have already done 5:02 off of HS training there is little doubt you could go much better than 5:00 with more training. Yes, there is little reason to think you can't go break 5 at 30, since you clearly have the talent to do so. However, waiting that long is only going to make it harder. You'll be even more years removed from serious running, and you'll already be approaching that age at which speed starts to deteriorate. It's usually in the early to mid 30's that you see 1500m guys that used to be great in that event moving up to the 5K cause they no longer have the wheels to be top notch 1500m competitors. Same with 5k guys and 10k guys moving up. The reason most people are near their peak in their very late twenties or very early thirties is not because it's their bodies physical peak, which is probably more like early/mid 20's, but because they are reaching 10+ years of serious, diligent training and are maxing out their capabilities as a runner. A runner starting from nothing at 23 is much more likely to be a better runner than his equivalent starting out at 30.
Hmm, thanks for the info. I guess I know I can break 5:00 with more training, I always just figured 30 was the optimum time to do it. After XC season was done in HS, I switched my focus to soccer in the spring, so I knew if I wanted to break five I'd have to train for it later. I saw 30 as an age where I would have to work the least hard to accomplish breaking it, but now I see that's probably not true. Recently I've been thinking about doing serious running again. (I'm only 20, so waiting ten years would be a little overkill haha) But I've been afraid that if I start training to break 5:00 I will have to give it my full physical effort, meaning I'd have to stop training upper body seriously for a few months. And right now, my upper body has been more of a priority for me
Why would you need to stop the weight training? Unless it's a time issue it shouldn't be any problem to do some weight training and running at the same time, I know I had no problem mixing the two at the various points where I have done decent strength training. If your running a ton and not dramatically upping the eating you might not gain as much mass as your shooting for but it's definitely possible to do strength work and still run seriously/competitively.
Yeah it would mostly be a time issue. As it is now, I run every fourth day in my workout routine. If I wanted to break five I'd assume I should be running every day. And if I did that I would have to run in the morning and lift in the afternoon or vice-versa, which would end up being too much work for me at the moment. At least, that's what I'd imagine I'd end up doing. I've been under the impression its bad to lift weights and run immediately afterwards, so I would want to split them on different ends of the day. But maybe I've heard wrong... is it bad to do one after the other?
Whether you run or lift first really depends on your priorities. Doing both can be done but you probably won't be able to do both as well as you could if you focused more on one. They don't necessarily negatively impact each other but you just can't concentrate on both 100%. Do you prioritize one goal over the other? How much time and effort are you putting into lifting? Maybe alternate running before then after and see what is better for you.
Right now I prioritize upper body over lower, and it while probably stay that way for a while. I would run after I lift, i'm just worried it would slow down my recovery for upper body. Since I've heard you want to take protein within ten minutes of lifting, and that wouldn't work if I ran for ten or twenty minutes afterwards. Also, wouldn't I be essentially splitting my nutrient resources between recovering both my lower and upper body? Making my recovery slower?
Yeah, you would be hampering your lifting recovery a little bit by running right afterward. Also you won't be able to get quite as good quality run if you have just lifted. That's why it gets tricky and you gotta figure out what's more important and how you want to go about this. How can you handle eating and drinking before running? Definitely get some protein in your body after lifting and before running. Can you handle a shake before a run? If you're going to run only after you lift you gotta be able to recover from lifting AND have the energy necessary to run well. Edit: How long does it take you to lift? The window to take protein and have a caloric feast is more like 30 minutes. If you could condense your routine to the most important exercises on the days you run afterward you might be able to get away with doing both before you eat (not counting some protein in between them). For your easy endurance runs you could just do them before you lift and count it as some of your warmup. They won't take much out of you so that you'll still have energy to lift then eat a big meal after it's been too long. And for a mile you need some speed. Speed work could count for lower body. Doing sprints, hills, drills, ect are great for lower body strength.
Thanks for the help man! Sounds like tricky business indeed haha.
I'll try mixing in more running before my lifts and see how it goes. I like the idea of an endurance run before. That way I would get the protein right after I lift. I know I won't be able to stomach running after I drank a shake. |
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| L_Master United States. July 22 2012 12:46. Posts 3512 | Profile Blog # |
| Well, new 10K pr of 38:52, long way of what I think I can do now but a PR is a PR is a PR |
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| hipaul United States. July 31 2012 08:43. Posts 272 | Profile # |
Sup bros on tl, keep up the good work.
I would like to list my PR on front squats from last week:
hipaul(88kg) 124.7kg
Not sure if I'll ever catch up to decafchicken on first, but I think 300lbs definitely within the reach for me and I'll be gunning for that second place 
Also, I ran 5:21 1600m 9 years ago when I used to run track as a freshmen in HS... not sure if it should count considering that I probably can't even run a mile in 7 minutes now lol... 
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| AoN.DimSum United States. August 12 2012 13:11. Posts 2807 | Profile Blog # |
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| Ludrik Australia. August 13 2012 17:49. Posts 523 | Profile Blog # |
I hit a new DL PR today.
155kg. As always my grip is my weak point. Only 5kg more until 2x bodyweight! |
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| decafchicken United States. August 13 2012 21:23. Posts 15176 | Profile Blog # |
132 snatch
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| AoN.DimSum United States. August 23 2012 23:06. Posts 2807 | Profile Blog # | |
| | by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man." |
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| funkie Venezuela. August 24 2012 00:50. Posts 9061 | Profile Blog # |
| BackSquat 170kg at 76kg BW . |
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| AirbladeOrange United States. August 24 2012 14:04. Posts 2074 | Profile Blog # |
| My 10k PR is wrong on the list. It's 36:39. Thanks! Hopefully I'll be able to post some new running ones someday. |
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