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| Shikyo Finland. October 05 2011 01:01. Posts 20126 | Profile Blog # |
NOTE: Prices outdated because of Thailand floods, expect to pay 50+ dollars more for everything.
So, I figured it'd be useful to have a thread with some template builds so that this can be used as a reference, saving everyone time. There will be links to each product but keep in mind that prices and offers change so this should only be used as a general guideline. Every build will include a suggested resolution. For convenience I'll also only refer to newegg prices with this and you'll likely get a better deal if you look for better offers in other places as well. No OS included. Budgets are slightly flexible.
By the way, this is a guideline only and I take zero responsibility if something doesn't work.
~300$ budget(Enough to run SC2 with 60+ FPS with all lowest settings in 1920x1080 and lower, cheapest "REAL" gaming build you can find, also includes a game):
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~400$ budget(The build recommended for SC2, it can run it on high/ultra npnp and you experience major diminishing returns going beyond this):
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~500$ budget:
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~600$ budget(This pretty much is all you need to run SC2 1v1 smoothly with everything maxed in 1080p if that's all you're concerned of):
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Special addition, 662.91$:
The cheapest solution for running SC2 in 1920x1080 with everything maxed at 60+fps(as in 200 supply armies in 4v4, you don't need this much for normal gameplay)
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~700$ budget:
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~800$ budget: (After this point, performance for SC2 in 1080p won't really increase as it's CPU-capped and this is the best gaming CPU. So if SC2 maxed in 1080p is all you want to play, there's no point in going higher than this.)
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~900$ budget
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~1000$ budget:
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~1000$ budget, alternative single Graphics Card build:
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~1250$ budget:
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~1750$ budget:
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| PolSC2 United States. October 05 2011 01:17. Posts 633 | Profile # |
This is a fantastic idea. This should keep a lot of the "New Computer Build" threads down... even the ones I make. Lol 
So what price points are you looking to make a build with? |
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 JingleHell United States. October 05 2011 01:20. Posts 11262 | Profile Blog # |
On October 05 2011 01:17 PolSC2 wrote:This is a fantastic idea. This should keep a lot of the "New Computer Build" threads down... even the ones I make. Lol So what price points are you looking to make a build with?
Unfortunately, it won't do much, if the current cases of existing threads being ignored are any indication. Worth a shot though. |
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| Rachnar France. October 05 2011 01:34. Posts 1423 | Profile # |
| Well, thing is you can do some general builds, but people's need will be different, and msot will need a few tweeks so ... |
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| Shikyo Finland. October 05 2011 01:39. Posts 20126 | Profile Blog # |
On October 05 2011 01:17 PolSC2 wrote:This is a fantastic idea. This should keep a lot of the "New Computer Build" threads down... even the ones I make. Lol So what price points are you looking to make a build with?
every hundred from 400 to 1000, from 1000 in 250 increments, from 2000 in 500 increments until I have a build that runs eyefinity with 1440p monitors above 60 fps |
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| calvinL Canada. October 05 2011 01:49. Posts 405 | Profile # |
| Isn't 430W way too low for a 6850 or 6870? Also 6870 requires 2 x 6 pin PCI-E connector while the one you listed only has one. |
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| Shikyo Finland. October 05 2011 01:52. Posts 20126 | Profile Blog # |
On October 05 2011 01:49 calvinL wrote:
Isn't 430W way too low for a 6850 or 6870? Also 6870 requires 2 x 6 pin PCI-E connector while the one you listed only has one.
oh that's an excellent point! (and please keep pointing out mistakes out I semi-rush these)
sure sucks paying 15 extra for useless watts just because the PSU doesn't have the connections it shouldLast edit: 2011-10-05 01:58:57 |
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| Bambipwnsu Canada. October 05 2011 02:21. Posts 628 | Profile Blog # |
ohhh case just got a upgrade...
I'm calling those ever so popular shikyo crossfire 6870s and a 690ii case at 900$ lol |
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| jacosajh October 05 2011 02:56. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
This kind of makes sense to an extent for budget builds, but once you get into the $700-800+ range, you have a bit more room for preferences.
Also, it kind of gives the impression that "Hey you have X amount of money, spend it Y build." Even if it's for no reason.
Hopefully, people are smart enough that they can differentiate between a cookie cutter build and one that will suite their specific needs, if unique.
To truly make this thread viable, in my opinion, you would need a lot more meat. Not just builds at various budgets. For example, suggesting a resolution is kind of like, what? The first two builds can definitely play at 1080p for SC2 at decent settings, but not something like Crysis 2 even at 720p decently.
So perhaps you can include examples of some games that it can play at what resolution instead of giving one general one.
Maybe you can also give some other information about it's capabilities (and maybe about what they shouldn't expect out of it), such as Streaming: Yes/No (or decent @ 720p); Some editing, graphic work: Yes/No; etc.
Finally, I don't see why you're choosing to suggest 8GB over just upgrading the CPU.Last edit: 2011-10-05 02:58:25 |
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| Shikyo Finland. October 05 2011 03:09. Posts 20126 | Profile Blog # |
| neither of the first builds have trouble playing crysis at 720p and yes there will be much more than just the builds for the budgets Last edit: 2011-10-05 03:09:59 |
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| crbox Canada. October 05 2011 03:11. Posts 871 | Profile # |
I can't believe I bought a dell...
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| jacosajh October 05 2011 03:42. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
| They will have trouble unless you tone down the settings and don't have high expectations in framerates. |
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| PolSC2 United States. October 05 2011 03:46. Posts 633 | Profile # |
On October 05 2011 03:42 jacosajh wrote:
They will have trouble unless you tone down the settings and don't have high expectations in framerates.
Nobody has high expectations in framerates with a 4-500 dollar build. |
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| Shikyo Finland. October 05 2011 03:47. Posts 20126 | Profile Blog # |
On October 05 2011 03:42 jacosajh wrote:
They will have trouble unless you tone down the settings and don't have high expectations in framerates.
you really buy a 400$ computer to play on enthusiast settings? cmon |
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| jacosajh October 05 2011 04:17. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
Is that what I said?
I can pretty much say the same. And you buy a $400 computer to play Crysis 2?
So really you're missing the point. Like I said, giving a general resolution recommendation doesn't make sense.
Even as your own post implies, you need to have EXPECTATIONS of your system. The only expectation your builds implies that it can do ANYTHING at the recommended resolution.
This is a SC2 forum, so most people will be looking to play SC2. Since those first two systems will run 1080p fine on SC2, it's kind of misleading to say "recommended resolution: X" without giving a disclaimer that it won't do so with other games.
What happens if someone just randomly searches for computer builds and happens on your thread. He's going to think OMG I can get a $400 computer that will play Crysis 2 on 1600x900 WOWOWOWOW 1337sauce!Last edit: 2011-10-05 04:19:58 |
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| Shikyo Finland. October 05 2011 04:25. Posts 20126 | Profile Blog # |
the 400$ computer runs crysis 2 fine, it also runs crysis 1 fine in 1680x1050 though you might not be able to have everything on gamer quality if you want 60 fps. Crysis maxed isn't exactly the norm by which I'd recommend. And yes, even the 400$ computer will run Crysis in 720p totally fine even with gamer quality. And yes, that will run SC2 in 1080p in medium or higher but it's more of a CPU-limited game anyway so the 400$ build might not be an ideal choice. Also, the first build is significantly outclassed by the second one, the 500$ build has absolutely no problems running anything in 1680x1050 unless you mess around with anti-aliasing. I'm not sure how my recommendations are incorrect? Do you want me to add 1080p on low into the options of the 400$ build?
According to benchmarks the GTS 450 runs Crysis: Warhead at 30fps with Gamer quality and 2x MSAA in 1680x1050 which imo is more than you should even expect from 400$ don't you think?Last edit: 2011-10-05 04:28:50 |
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| jacosajh October 05 2011 05:32. Posts 2522 | Profile Blog # |
Going to keep this short since obviously you're already made up your mind.
Crysis 2 actually takes advantage of quad-core. A lot of those benchmarks are using quad-core. My 2500k/GTX 460 still cries at Crysis @ 720p (ok that's exaggeration), but remember that it's not just about the fps you get in benchmarks. The wide range of experiences you get in an actual game can mean even a lowly, but playable 25 fps = not playable in a lot of scenarios you want to... you know... play in. Like when someone is unloading grenades and crap on you... instead of just looking at how pretty the terrain is.
Yes, Crysis shouldn't be the "standard" that you judge system builds. But everyone has an expectation, and that's why cookie-cutter builds have issues. Because everyone has a different needs and expectations.
How many times do you see someone going, I have $1000 to spend; I want to be able to play SC2 on atleast medium? Or I have $500 to spend and I want to stream SC2 on high settings? etc. etc. a lot of times, people's expectations, what they can afford, and what they need/want aren't aligned.
Which is why it's important to be able to address expectations as well as needs/wants. |
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| poopman Canada. October 05 2011 05:38. Posts 83 | Profile # | |
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| RaKooNs United Kingdom. October 05 2011 05:47. Posts 397 | Profile # |
| Would be nice if you have the time to write down a brief explanation for each part and why it rivals the rest in it's price range. Thanks. Last edit: 2011-10-05 05:47:39 |
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| Shikyo Finland. October 05 2011 05:50. Posts 20126 | Profile Blog # |
so how does that work? why does the 500$ build have a 6870 and a PSU with only one 6pin cable? is that enough?
Though it's true, I shall change my build a little.
okay changed 500$ build, removed 600$ build as obsolete.
It's nice that my 1k build is better than theirs though. Last edit: 2011-10-05 05:57:26 |
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