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| Elroi Sweden. October 24 2011 09:03. Posts 3892 | Profile # |
On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Emphasis on the word "NA". Europeans have known who Stephano was for many months. Most of the ignorant "overhype" or "he came out of nowhere" statements are from Americans who didn't pay any attention to the EU scene. They should, it's without question better than the US right now, would anyone dispute that?
1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then. 2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans. 3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style.
Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_< Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure..
We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle* The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him. (oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D)
Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal.
why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:> they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol.. this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol?
I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid.
hubris or not, it's true and you know it  note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc. that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate? 
Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners. The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong.
IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who?
Where does this na vs eu thing come from? I don't feel culturally closer to - say - Italy than to Canada... |
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| Fubi October 24 2011 09:04. Posts 2122 | Profile # |
On October 24 2011 07:41 Nouar wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 07:29 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:52 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:47 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:44 how2TL wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:37 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:33 red4ce wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:31 dsousa wrote:
I've been convinced for about a month that Stephano is the best zerg in the world, including Korea.
I don't see any other players that control their zerglings and roaches as effectively as Stephano. I don't know how he does it, but somehow he has mastered the art of not having lings running around not attacking. Watch him attack a siege line, he somehow separates his lings so that only the right amount surrounds the tanks and the rest carry on to attack the other units. Any other player I see do this, always has extra lings running circles around tanks and not attacking..... even Nestea last night vs MVP.
I would love to see him play a best of 7 vs MVP right now..... I would not be at all surpised if Stephano beat him.
This thread is ridiculous. In the last month Stephano beats MKP and a few code B Koreans while losing to Alive and Boxer, yet he's as good as Nestea who went 5-7 against MVP. Right. It seems like people have forgotten about Sen and Dimaga when talking about best foreign zergs. Too bad they had that Blizzcon thing to attend and couldn't be here to give Stephano a proper challenge.
Yea, I agree Idra,Thorzain,MC,Sjow,Marineking,MaNa,Grubby,Nerchio isnt a prober challenge o.0 Say what?
How is that in any way comparable to Code S?
Its not but there is stil 2 code S players there. Players who has won GSL and place 2nd many times + the best foreigners in the world. Not an easy tournament to win
Except it's less relevant listing all the players than who he actually beat... He has no one worthy of mentioning in his group, then he beat Axslav, Cloud, MKP, Mana. So the only one worthy of mentioning is MKP, whom just barely got back into Code S last season, and then not make it out of ro32. Add on to the fact that it was only a Bo3, and ZvT is Stephano's best MU, it definitely didn't deserve all the overhyping he got.
You can only beat the players put in front of you. He beat all the players that beat the players. Thats how a tournament works
That is how tournaments work but that isn't how you compare how good a player is. By your logic, Polt beat MMA pretty one-sidedly several times, but MMA beat MVP, whom beat pretty much everyone else, including Nestea, who pretty much beat everyone as well. So therefore, Polt is the best player in the world? Just because you beat player A in a Bo3, who also beat player B, that doesn't mean you yourself can beat player B. That is how Starcraft works.
So yeah Fubi "oh he just beat MKP and ZvT is Stephano's best matchup, doesn't deserve" May I remind you MKP is 35-16 (68% win) in Korea in TvZ and his best matchup, too ? (and he beat him two times this month) OH shit it's Stephano's best matchup.... The only fact you are arguing that, and telling Stephano isn't an underdog against the human with the 2nd best ratio in Korea against Zerg says it all.
Wait, don't put words in my mouth, I never said he doesn't deserve his win. I said he doesn't deserve the overhyping, and definitely doesn't deserve all these people claiming he's best zerg in the world or even comparable to players like Nestea MVP.
Also regarding MKP, may I remind you as well that he isn't at his peak atm. He just finished a big slump, and just narrowly got back into Code S, and got out at ro32.
ALSO, you brought up the fact of 68% win rate, this also means 32% lose rate, which is definitely within probability to lose a Bo3 here and there, especially against a good opponent with their strongest MU as TvZ such as Stephano.
It's just annoying seeing these foreigner get overhyped as god every time one of them has some slight spark of hope of success. It was like that for Thorzain and Naniwa, and where are they now?
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| Nouar France. October 24 2011 09:20. Posts 1726 | Profile # |
On October 24 2011 08:50 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 08:41 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 08:33 mordk wrote:
On October 24 2011 08:25 Toxi78 wrote:
On October 24 2011 08:23 mordk wrote:Stephano is good. Stephano is not the best zerg in the world. Stephano is probably the best zerg in EU right now. Stephano has a much more stable and overall shows better play than Idra. NesTea is undoubtedly the best zerg in the world, with a ZvT that is a little shaky sometimes, but that is played against opponents of much higher caliber than Stephano's regular terran opponents. Remember that it only took Boxer and co. a few days of theorycrafting to figure his style out and take him down at MLG. And Boxer can't even be considered a top terran in SC2 (I love Boxer anyways though ) So yeah. He's very good, but he's not unbeatable OR the best zerg in the world, nobody's saying he's a bad player, but sometimes fans exaggerate a bit too much, and it can be annoying. Equally annoying as Idra's fan whenever he wins any matches.
get your facts straight, they didn't theorycraft anything, stephano didn't play his ling infestor style at MLG, and prefered muta ling banneling style. they didn't "figure him out", and i'm almost sure if he used his ling infestor style he would have had a good chance too.
Get your facts straight. At IPL stephano opened most games with a mixture of ling/roach to control the SlayerS hellion openers and many times ended up crashing the front with those compositions. SlayerS countered this by including the marauder into their openers, and then progressed into a more standard marine/tank compositions with a few marauders thrown in there. This allowed terran to pressure the third easily vs the roach composition, and made the midgame easy for them. It's best shown on BoxeR vs Stephano on metalopolis.
I dont understand why you argur about MLG. Stephano sayd before he went to US that he thought he would do well at IGN but not MLG becuase he dont got good stamina and you need that to go into the open bracket but he sitll played well. Yea, Boxer beat a tired Stephano who cares doesnt mean anything. He beat boxer at IPL quite easy and today he dominated MKP. He is amasing and winning 2 major lans out of 3 is something no other foreign zerg has done. And btw Stephano is a zerg thats really hard to figure out since he can do it all ling/infestor bling/muta. ling/roach
I'm not downplaying Stephano's achievements, they're great. What I'm saying is that basically when you say a player is "the best in the world" you need a more general perspective, and we don't get that because Stephano hasn't been "tested" in the hardest competition. He might be the best foreigner zerg I'll give you that, and imo is definitely better than Idra. But to be able to say he's the "best zerg in the world", the "first foreign bonjwa", "better than NesTea" and such other huge exaggerations people have been saying, you need more information, that's all.
WHO is saying that seriously ? WHO ? WHERE ? Link posts. (and not one liners in the frenzy of the victory in LR threads...)
@ Fubi : 66% winrate vs Code S players (see a previous post of mine) and going 27-13 vs koreans altogether in 1 month is not a "slight glimmer of hope" it's damn playing on equal grounds !!
Again, nearly nobody is saying "best in the world blablabla", at least in the last 8 pages of this thread. You're all arguing against non existent persons.Last edit: 2011-10-24 09:23:47 |
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| Zeborg October 24 2011 09:25. Posts 105 | Profile # |
On October 24 2011 06:33 Lunares wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:22 Talin wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:19 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Emphasis on the word "NA". Europeans have known who Stephano was for many months. Most of the ignorant "overhype" or "he came out of nowhere" statements are from Americans who didn't pay any attention to the EU scene. They should, it's without question better than the US right now, would anyone dispute that?
1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then. 2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans. 3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style.
Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_< Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure..
We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle* The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him. (oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D)
Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal.
Why anybody not affiliated with coL would hold a grudge over that is beyond me.
Stephano has said (and proved it with the coL deal) that he only cares about the money. That's why I don't like him. It's fine for money to be a factor (HuK for example) but I prefer players who care about the game. They play the game because they love to play the game, not because it's a way for them to make money. The latter is important ofc but it's not the sole reason like stephano.
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| Nouar France. October 24 2011 09:25. Posts 1726 | Profile # |
On October 24 2011 09:04 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 07:41 Nouar wrote:
On October 24 2011 07:29 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:52 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:47 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:44 how2TL wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:37 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:33 red4ce wrote:
On October 24 2011 02:31 dsousa wrote:
I've been convinced for about a month that Stephano is the best zerg in the world, including Korea.
I don't see any other players that control their zerglings and roaches as effectively as Stephano. I don't know how he does it, but somehow he has mastered the art of not having lings running around not attacking. Watch him attack a siege line, he somehow separates his lings so that only the right amount surrounds the tanks and the rest carry on to attack the other units. Any other player I see do this, always has extra lings running circles around tanks and not attacking..... even Nestea last night vs MVP.
I would love to see him play a best of 7 vs MVP right now..... I would not be at all surpised if Stephano beat him.
This thread is ridiculous. In the last month Stephano beats MKP and a few code B Koreans while losing to Alive and Boxer, yet he's as good as Nestea who went 5-7 against MVP. Right. It seems like people have forgotten about Sen and Dimaga when talking about best foreign zergs. Too bad they had that Blizzcon thing to attend and couldn't be here to give Stephano a proper challenge.
Yea, I agree Idra,Thorzain,MC,Sjow,Marineking,MaNa,Grubby,Nerchio isnt a prober challenge o.0 Say what?
How is that in any way comparable to Code S?
Its not but there is stil 2 code S players there. Players who has won GSL and place 2nd many times + the best foreigners in the world. Not an easy tournament to win
Except it's less relevant listing all the players than who he actually beat... He has no one worthy of mentioning in his group, then he beat Axslav, Cloud, MKP, Mana. So the only one worthy of mentioning is MKP, whom just barely got back into Code S last season, and then not make it out of ro32. Add on to the fact that it was only a Bo3, and ZvT is Stephano's best MU, it definitely didn't deserve all the overhyping he got.
You can only beat the players put in front of you. He beat all the players that beat the players. Thats how a tournament works
That is how tournaments work but that isn't how you compare how good a player is. By your logic, Polt beat MMA pretty one-sidedly several times, but MMA beat MVP, whom beat pretty much everyone else, including Nestea, who pretty much beat everyone as well. So therefore, Polt is the best player in the world? Just because you beat player A in a Bo3, who also beat player B, that doesn't mean you yourself can beat player B. That is how Starcraft works.
So yeah Fubi "oh he just beat MKP and ZvT is Stephano's best matchup, doesn't deserve" May I remind you MKP is 35-16 (68% win) in Korea in TvZ and his best matchup, too ? (and he beat him two times this month) OH shit it's Stephano's best matchup.... The only fact you are arguing that, and telling Stephano isn't an underdog against the human with the 2nd best ratio in Korea against Zerg says it all.
Wait, don't put words in my mouth, I never said he doesn't deserve his win. I said he doesn't deserve the overhyping, and definitely doesn't deserve all these people claiming he's best zerg in the world or even comparable to players like Nestea MVP. Also regarding MKP, may I remind you as well that he isn't at his peak atm. He just finished a big slump, and just narrowly got back into Code S, and got out at ro32. ALSO, you brought up the fact of 68% win rate, this also means 32% lose rate, which is definitely within probability to lose a Bo3 here and there, especially against a good opponent with their strongest MU as TvZ such as Stephano. It's just annoying seeing these foreigner get overhyped as god every time one of them has some slight spark of hope of success. It was like that for Thorzain and Naniwa, and where are they now?
FACT : MKP is 11-1 in series vs zergs in GSL. Only loss ? 4-3 vs NesTea.
He has never lost a boX vs a korean zerg apart from that open season 2 final.Last edit: 2011-10-24 09:27:02 |
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| Nash October 24 2011 09:42. Posts 151 | Profile # |
On October 24 2011 09:03 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 06:30 5ukkub wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:21 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:16 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:10 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:07 WaSa wrote:
On October 24 2011 06:00 forgottendreams wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 Dandy_Moustachu wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:51 BBMorti wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:29 forgottendreams wrote:
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1) Many Americans knew who Stephano was since Home Story Cup, many others who are aware of the EU scene knew him even before then.
2) This overhyping came from French posters and Thorzain who says "SIGN ME UP FOR THE BEST FOREIGN ZERG!@!@" Although I admit the "out of nowhere" phrases came from alot of Americans.
3) Thanks for the generalizations, I won't be watching your shallow casting anymore from here on out. Then again shallow generalizations are your speciality it seems, whether it comes to your casting or your business style.
Quoting for Irony, with emphasis on 'generalizations' .. Do not ask me to elaborate it is a pointless exercise if it is not smack in the face obvious what I mean. >_< Also, it must really suck to be French on this forum.. whatta hate they have to endure..
We are evil and we cheat in tournament, soon we'll rules the world *evil giggle* The impression I have is that the Stephano 'overhype' often comes from EU and the hate often comes from NA. Even if more and more Na people seems to recognize him. (oh and obviously Stephano is Better than nestea, he win more tournament in the last 3 month than him ... :D)
Thanks for basically elaborating my point I was trying to make. I think much of the NA hate could be ascribed to the soured coL deal.
why would the CoL issue matter when col (AND stephano) both lied to millennium >:> they said they were negotiating for weeks and later admitted they contacted stephano in the middle of the night without milleniums notice lol.. this stephano hate from is just an issue of butthurt americans that can't accept you're scene is bad compared to Europe and every skepticism you had towards stephano has been proving wrong and you can't swallow that.oh, he's french so more hate amirite, lol?
I won't even take the time to refute such a childish post. Your hubris just makes you look stupid.
hubris or not, it's true and you know it note that while I'm a fan of stephano I don't believe a second he's on par with Nestea and such lol. There are a few diehard fanboys and other ignorant posters that actually believe so but most posts I see are just trolls baiting people to respond to their ridiculous claims like "Stephano>Nestea" etc. As a consequence 30 people respond with equally ridiculous claims like "he was lucky, opponent didn't take it seriously and/or is bad" etc. that's why I'm respoding to this. Can we just stop this stupid fanboyism and retarded hate?
Maybe you should be the first to stop. If you really want to get into why your statement may be untrue explain why the only foreigner in Code S is a Canadian-American and Idra continues to place well, even above many other foreigners. The place to stop being a stupid fanboy can be you, because the NA scene is perfectly strong.
IdrA + HuK + Select + Kiwikaki and then who?
Where does this na vs eu thing come from? I don't feel culturally closer to - say - Italy than to Canada...
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| mordk October 24 2011 09:44. Posts 7019 | Profile Blog # |
On October 24 2011 09:20 Nouar wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 08:50 mordk wrote:
On October 24 2011 08:41 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 08:33 mordk wrote:
On October 24 2011 08:25 Toxi78 wrote:
On October 24 2011 08:23 mordk wrote:Stephano is good. Stephano is not the best zerg in the world. Stephano is probably the best zerg in EU right now. Stephano has a much more stable and overall shows better play than Idra. NesTea is undoubtedly the best zerg in the world, with a ZvT that is a little shaky sometimes, but that is played against opponents of much higher caliber than Stephano's regular terran opponents. Remember that it only took Boxer and co. a few days of theorycrafting to figure his style out and take him down at MLG. And Boxer can't even be considered a top terran in SC2 (I love Boxer anyways though ) So yeah. He's very good, but he's not unbeatable OR the best zerg in the world, nobody's saying he's a bad player, but sometimes fans exaggerate a bit too much, and it can be annoying. Equally annoying as Idra's fan whenever he wins any matches.
get your facts straight, they didn't theorycraft anything, stephano didn't play his ling infestor style at MLG, and prefered muta ling banneling style. they didn't "figure him out", and i'm almost sure if he used his ling infestor style he would have had a good chance too.
Get your facts straight. At IPL stephano opened most games with a mixture of ling/roach to control the SlayerS hellion openers and many times ended up crashing the front with those compositions. SlayerS countered this by including the marauder into their openers, and then progressed into a more standard marine/tank compositions with a few marauders thrown in there. This allowed terran to pressure the third easily vs the roach composition, and made the midgame easy for them. It's best shown on BoxeR vs Stephano on metalopolis.
I dont understand why you argur about MLG. Stephano sayd before he went to US that he thought he would do well at IGN but not MLG becuase he dont got good stamina and you need that to go into the open bracket but he sitll played well. Yea, Boxer beat a tired Stephano who cares doesnt mean anything. He beat boxer at IPL quite easy and today he dominated MKP. He is amasing and winning 2 major lans out of 3 is something no other foreign zerg has done. And btw Stephano is a zerg thats really hard to figure out since he can do it all ling/infestor bling/muta. ling/roach
I'm not downplaying Stephano's achievements, they're great. What I'm saying is that basically when you say a player is "the best in the world" you need a more general perspective, and we don't get that because Stephano hasn't been "tested" in the hardest competition. He might be the best foreigner zerg I'll give you that, and imo is definitely better than Idra. But to be able to say he's the "best zerg in the world", the "first foreign bonjwa", "better than NesTea" and such other huge exaggerations people have been saying, you need more information, that's all.
WHO is saying that seriously ? WHO ? WHERE ? Link posts. (and not one liners in the frenzy of the victory in LR threads...) @ Fubi : 66% winrate vs Code S players (see a previous post of mine) and going 27-13 vs koreans altogether in 1 month is not a "slight glimmer of hope" it's damn playing on equal grounds !! Again, nearly nobody is saying "best in the world blablabla", at least in the last 8 pages of this thread. You're all arguing against non existent persons.
Stephano once again showing that he's the hottest Zerg in the foreigner's scene at the moment, if not the world. Wasn't able to catch the games as I fell asleep, but the results speak for themselves. You don't win tournaments with line-ups as stacked as IPL 3 and ESWC without having something special.
I've been convinced for about a month that Stephano is the best zerg in the world, including Korea.
I don't see any other players that control their zerglings and roaches as effectively as Stephano. I don't know how he does it, but somehow he has mastered the art of not having lings running around not attacking. Watch him attack a siege line, he somehow separates his lings so that only the right amount surrounds the tanks and the rest carry on to attack the other units. Any other player I see do this, always has extra lings running circles around tanks and not attacking..... even Nestea last night vs MVP.
I would love to see him play a best of 7 vs MVP right now..... I would not be at all surpised if Stephano beat him.
Stephano is the best SC2 player.
Just a few overly dramatic statements. Now if I were to search the IPL ones.......... Suffice to say I wouldn't be able to put them all here. The problem I have with this issue goes beyond the simple irrationality of the arguments posted, but the fact that it ruins threads. IMO it should be at least warnable, it makes thread go haywire and lets trolls loose upon this world.Last edit: 2011-10-24 09:53:12 |
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| Queldur France. October 24 2011 09:56. Posts 25 | Profile # |
Stephano is not THE best player in the world, but sure he is ONE of the best zerg.
I can't wait to see him try the GSL (he say he may will but its not his main goal) to break some korean :D
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| Fubi October 24 2011 10:51. Posts 2122 | Profile # |
On October 24 2011 09:25 Nouar wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 09:04 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 07:41 Nouar wrote:
On October 24 2011 07:29 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:52 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:47 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:44 how2TL wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:37 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:33 red4ce wrote:
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This thread is ridiculous. In the last month Stephano beats MKP and a few code B Koreans while losing to Alive and Boxer, yet he's as good as Nestea who went 5-7 against MVP. Right. It seems like people have forgotten about Sen and Dimaga when talking about best foreign zergs. Too bad they had that Blizzcon thing to attend and couldn't be here to give Stephano a proper challenge.
Yea, I agree Idra,Thorzain,MC,Sjow,Marineking,MaNa,Grubby,Nerchio isnt a prober challenge o.0 Say what?
How is that in any way comparable to Code S?
Its not but there is stil 2 code S players there. Players who has won GSL and place 2nd many times + the best foreigners in the world. Not an easy tournament to win
Except it's less relevant listing all the players than who he actually beat... He has no one worthy of mentioning in his group, then he beat Axslav, Cloud, MKP, Mana. So the only one worthy of mentioning is MKP, whom just barely got back into Code S last season, and then not make it out of ro32. Add on to the fact that it was only a Bo3, and ZvT is Stephano's best MU, it definitely didn't deserve all the overhyping he got.
You can only beat the players put in front of you. He beat all the players that beat the players. Thats how a tournament works
That is how tournaments work but that isn't how you compare how good a player is. By your logic, Polt beat MMA pretty one-sidedly several times, but MMA beat MVP, whom beat pretty much everyone else, including Nestea, who pretty much beat everyone as well. So therefore, Polt is the best player in the world? Just because you beat player A in a Bo3, who also beat player B, that doesn't mean you yourself can beat player B. That is how Starcraft works.
So yeah Fubi "oh he just beat MKP and ZvT is Stephano's best matchup, doesn't deserve" May I remind you MKP is 35-16 (68% win) in Korea in TvZ and his best matchup, too ? (and he beat him two times this month) OH shit it's Stephano's best matchup.... The only fact you are arguing that, and telling Stephano isn't an underdog against the human with the 2nd best ratio in Korea against Zerg says it all.
Wait, don't put words in my mouth, I never said he doesn't deserve his win. I said he doesn't deserve the overhyping, and definitely doesn't deserve all these people claiming he's best zerg in the world or even comparable to players like Nestea MVP. Also regarding MKP, may I remind you as well that he isn't at his peak atm. He just finished a big slump, and just narrowly got back into Code S, and got out at ro32. ALSO, you brought up the fact of 68% win rate, this also means 32% lose rate, which is definitely within probability to lose a Bo3 here and there, especially against a good opponent with their strongest MU as TvZ such as Stephano. It's just annoying seeing these foreigner get overhyped as god every time one of them has some slight spark of hope of success. It was like that for Thorzain and Naniwa, and where are they now?
FACT : MKP is 11-1 in series vs zergs in GSL. Only loss ? 4-3 vs NesTea. He has never lost a boX vs a korean zerg apart from that open season 2 final.
Are you seriously including Open Season results from literally a year ago? We all know how relevant games from even just 3 months ago are, let alone almost a year.
He hasn't really had that many TvZs in general in the recent months, at least in terms of GSL. His most recent matches against Zergs are
GSL August Up and Down vs Violet: won
GSL July vs Losira in ro32: lost
GSL July Up&Down vs FD: won
GSTL S1 vs DRG: lost
Although they're all Bo1, it still doesn't look too godly
the only Bo3 he played in GSL recently is against Yugioh and Leenock and won. So not really enough of data to say he's in shape or not. Most of the godly win % he has against Zerg is literally from when he was at his prime few months ago before his slump into code A. Yes, he's back in code S and there is definitely hope that he's back in shape, but he still have yet to show that it in the result.
Like I said before, this is just like Thorzain beating FD in TSL3 and then end up winning it, gets hyped as hell, gets sent to GSL, drops out first round, gives up and and now is back to Europe. Gets really annoying when all these overhyping proclaiming rising players as gods and best in the world etc etc, when they have not even shown any real results in the real test yet.
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| Vul United States. October 24 2011 11:27. Posts 681 | Profile Blog # |
On October 24 2011 10:51 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 09:25 Nouar wrote:
On October 24 2011 09:04 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 07:41 Nouar wrote:
On October 24 2011 07:29 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:52 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:47 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:44 how2TL wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:37 HappyChris wrote:
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Yea, I agree Idra,Thorzain,MC,Sjow,Marineking,MaNa,Grubby,Nerchio isnt a prober challenge o.0 Say what?
How is that in any way comparable to Code S?
Its not but there is stil 2 code S players there. Players who has won GSL and place 2nd many times + the best foreigners in the world. Not an easy tournament to win
Except it's less relevant listing all the players than who he actually beat... He has no one worthy of mentioning in his group, then he beat Axslav, Cloud, MKP, Mana. So the only one worthy of mentioning is MKP, whom just barely got back into Code S last season, and then not make it out of ro32. Add on to the fact that it was only a Bo3, and ZvT is Stephano's best MU, it definitely didn't deserve all the overhyping he got.
You can only beat the players put in front of you. He beat all the players that beat the players. Thats how a tournament works
That is how tournaments work but that isn't how you compare how good a player is. By your logic, Polt beat MMA pretty one-sidedly several times, but MMA beat MVP, whom beat pretty much everyone else, including Nestea, who pretty much beat everyone as well. So therefore, Polt is the best player in the world? Just because you beat player A in a Bo3, who also beat player B, that doesn't mean you yourself can beat player B. That is how Starcraft works.
So yeah Fubi "oh he just beat MKP and ZvT is Stephano's best matchup, doesn't deserve" May I remind you MKP is 35-16 (68% win) in Korea in TvZ and his best matchup, too ? (and he beat him two times this month) OH shit it's Stephano's best matchup.... The only fact you are arguing that, and telling Stephano isn't an underdog against the human with the 2nd best ratio in Korea against Zerg says it all.
Wait, don't put words in my mouth, I never said he doesn't deserve his win. I said he doesn't deserve the overhyping, and definitely doesn't deserve all these people claiming he's best zerg in the world or even comparable to players like Nestea MVP. Also regarding MKP, may I remind you as well that he isn't at his peak atm. He just finished a big slump, and just narrowly got back into Code S, and got out at ro32. ALSO, you brought up the fact of 68% win rate, this also means 32% lose rate, which is definitely within probability to lose a Bo3 here and there, especially against a good opponent with their strongest MU as TvZ such as Stephano. It's just annoying seeing these foreigner get overhyped as god every time one of them has some slight spark of hope of success. It was like that for Thorzain and Naniwa, and where are they now?
FACT : MKP is 11-1 in series vs zergs in GSL. Only loss ? 4-3 vs NesTea. He has never lost a boX vs a korean zerg apart from that open season 2 final.
Are you seriously including Open Season results from literally a year ago? We all know how relevant games from even just 3 months ago are, let alone almost a year. He hasn't really had that many TvZs in general in the recent months, at least in terms of GSL. His most recent matches against Zergs are GSL August Up and Down vs Violet: won GSL July vs Losira in ro32: lost GSL July Up&Down vs FD: won GSTL S1 vs DRG: lost Although they're all Bo1, it still doesn't look too godly the only Bo3 he played in GSL recently is against Yugioh and Leenock and won. So not really enough of data to say he's in shape or not. Most of the godly win % he has against Zerg is literally from when he was at his prime few months ago before his slump into code A. Yes, he's back in code S and there is definitely hope that he's back in shape, but he still have yet to show that it in the result. Like I said before, this is just like Thorzain beating FD in TSL3 and then end up winning it, gets hyped as hell, gets sent to GSL, drops out first round, gives up and and now is back to Europe. Gets really annoying when all these overhyping proclaiming rising players as gods and best in the world etc etc, when they have not even shown any real results in the real test yet.
Agreed, as impressive as it is, it's one thing to beat some Koreans at a huge tournament like IPL3. It's another thing to have Code S Koreans train to play against you, and only you, on maps that they know beforehand, and still win.
If Stephano goes to the GSL, that format will not be very forgiving. Even at MLG Stephano struggled.
Oh yea, and there's no way he's only training 4 hours/day. If you're willing to buy that without the least bit of skepticism (especially given Stephano's demeanor), then there are some used car salesmen that would love a conversation with you . |
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| Bart October 24 2011 11:44. Posts 476 | Profile # |
| man... complexity must really be regretting not fighting for Stephano |
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| Frankon October 24 2011 15:50. Posts 2954 | Profile # |
On October 24 2011 11:44 Bart wrote:
man... complexity must really be regretting not fighting for Stephano
Well EG is definitely sending him theirs secret offers now.... |
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| nam nam Sweden. October 24 2011 16:02. Posts 4541 | Profile # |
On October 24 2011 10:51 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 09:25 Nouar wrote:
On October 24 2011 09:04 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 07:41 Nouar wrote:
On October 24 2011 07:29 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:52 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:47 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:44 how2TL wrote:
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Yea, I agree Idra,Thorzain,MC,Sjow,Marineking,MaNa,Grubby,Nerchio isnt a prober challenge o.0 Say what?
How is that in any way comparable to Code S?
Its not but there is stil 2 code S players there. Players who has won GSL and place 2nd many times + the best foreigners in the world. Not an easy tournament to win
Except it's less relevant listing all the players than who he actually beat... He has no one worthy of mentioning in his group, then he beat Axslav, Cloud, MKP, Mana. So the only one worthy of mentioning is MKP, whom just barely got back into Code S last season, and then not make it out of ro32. Add on to the fact that it was only a Bo3, and ZvT is Stephano's best MU, it definitely didn't deserve all the overhyping he got.
You can only beat the players put in front of you. He beat all the players that beat the players. Thats how a tournament works
That is how tournaments work but that isn't how you compare how good a player is. By your logic, Polt beat MMA pretty one-sidedly several times, but MMA beat MVP, whom beat pretty much everyone else, including Nestea, who pretty much beat everyone as well. So therefore, Polt is the best player in the world? Just because you beat player A in a Bo3, who also beat player B, that doesn't mean you yourself can beat player B. That is how Starcraft works.
So yeah Fubi "oh he just beat MKP and ZvT is Stephano's best matchup, doesn't deserve" May I remind you MKP is 35-16 (68% win) in Korea in TvZ and his best matchup, too ? (and he beat him two times this month) OH shit it's Stephano's best matchup.... The only fact you are arguing that, and telling Stephano isn't an underdog against the human with the 2nd best ratio in Korea against Zerg says it all.
Wait, don't put words in my mouth, I never said he doesn't deserve his win. I said he doesn't deserve the overhyping, and definitely doesn't deserve all these people claiming he's best zerg in the world or even comparable to players like Nestea MVP. Also regarding MKP, may I remind you as well that he isn't at his peak atm. He just finished a big slump, and just narrowly got back into Code S, and got out at ro32. ALSO, you brought up the fact of 68% win rate, this also means 32% lose rate, which is definitely within probability to lose a Bo3 here and there, especially against a good opponent with their strongest MU as TvZ such as Stephano. It's just annoying seeing these foreigner get overhyped as god every time one of them has some slight spark of hope of success. It was like that for Thorzain and Naniwa, and where are they now?
FACT : MKP is 11-1 in series vs zergs in GSL. Only loss ? 4-3 vs NesTea. He has never lost a boX vs a korean zerg apart from that open season 2 final.
Are you seriously including Open Season results from literally a year ago? We all know how relevant games from even just 3 months ago are, let alone almost a year. He hasn't really had that many TvZs in general in the recent months, at least in terms of GSL. His most recent matches against Zergs are GSL August Up and Down vs Violet: won GSL July vs Losira in ro32: lost GSL July Up&Down vs FD: won GSTL S1 vs DRG: lost Although they're all Bo1, it still doesn't look too godly the only Bo3 he played in GSL recently is against Yugioh and Leenock and won. So not really enough of data to say he's in shape or not. Most of the godly win % he has against Zerg is literally from when he was at his prime few months ago before his slump into code A. Yes, he's back in code S and there is definitely hope that he's back in shape, but he still have yet to show that it in the result. Like I said before, this is just like Thorzain beating FD in TSL3 and then end up winning it, gets hyped as hell, gets sent to GSL, drops out first round, gives up and and now is back to Europe. Gets really annoying when all these overhyping proclaiming rising players as gods and best in the world etc etc, when they have not even shown any real results in the real test yet.
Thorzain didn't give up, he said before he even went to Korean that he'd only stay a month. He did say he could have stayed if he got code s, but I don't think he expected that. He only went for the experience.Last edit: 2011-10-24 16:03:31 |
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| Crushinator Netherlands. October 24 2011 16:45. Posts 1195 | Profile # |
On October 24 2011 08:23 mordk wrote:Stephano is good. Stephano is not the best zerg in the world. Stephano is probably the best zerg in EU right now. Stephano has a much more stable and overall shows better play than Idra. NesTea is undoubtedly the best zerg in the world, with a ZvT that is a little shaky sometimes, but that is played against opponents of much higher caliber than Stephano's regular terran opponents. Remember that it only took Boxer and co. a few days of theorycrafting to figure his style out and take him down at MLG. And Boxer can't even be considered a top terran in SC2 (I love Boxer anyways though ) So yeah. He's very good, but he's not unbeatable OR the best zerg in the world, nobody's saying he's a bad player, but sometimes fans exaggerate a bit too much, and it can be annoying. Equally annoying as Idra's fan whenever he wins any matches.
I seem to recall Boxer beat Stephano with a fake fake (real) bunker rush and a hidden (avoiding tower) marine push. That's not figuring out his style at all. Boxer actually tried to exploit Stephano's ling heavy style at IPL, but failed miserably due to Stephano adapting and got crushed. |
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| BarbieHsu October 24 2011 16:59. Posts 574 | Profile # |
WoW, wp Stephano!
MKP is my favorite player, but I would so enjoy seeing Steph get enough confidence to do the whole Korea bit. He always seemed to me to understand something about Zerg that other people don't. |
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| 5ukkub Poland. October 24 2011 17:27. Posts 496 | Profile # |
I think almost nobody believes that Stephano is NOW better than, say, 5 top Koreans right now.
The point is:
If all players in the entire world were able to play on ONE SERVER without big latency problems, and all players would practice for one year in equal conditions (food, time, sleep etc) I could name only about 4-5 foreigners able to be on the same lvl as MVP or Nestea.
Those are Grubby, Huk, MaNa, Major, maybe IdrA and Nerchio too, but don't know about their mental stability :/
And there is Stephano... IMO He would be a step ahead from EVERYBODY.
We are proud of Stephanos achievements as we (at least me) are proud of HuK or even IdrA!
But IdrA was in Korea for veeeery long time in BW and Sc2.
HuK just got from there.
Both of them now have "EG Lair" with great sponsors and Puma + DemusliM to practice with, and of course a lot better connection to Korean server than EU has.
Stephano had nothing of these. He just recently, about 2 months ago, decided to become full PRO.
You understand now? We see the potential in him. The things he achieved in so little time with so limited resources!
That's what makes him so special.Last edit: 2011-10-24 17:38:24 |
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| Vira October 24 2011 17:42. Posts 565 | Profile # |
Beside Eswc, there are a clan war tournamenent by medion.
Stephano/Diestar vs Lidwyn/Eeel in clan war ( Millenium vs Cybernation) now :
http://www.millenium.org/home/milleniumtv/?chaine=millenium_tv
this clan war is currently 2-2 :
Diestar > Kenzy
Eeel > Diestar
Stephano > Freman
Eeel > Stephano ( zvz, after stephano win eswc)
now it's the 2v2 ; 1 - 0 lead for Millenium.
The winner will fight against Mouz ( HasuObs, thorzain and probably Mana) in finale.
Third place will play against Nrs.Last edit: 2011-10-24 17:43:12 |
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| Nouar France. October 24 2011 17:46. Posts 1726 | Profile # |
On October 24 2011 10:51 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 09:25 Nouar wrote:
On October 24 2011 09:04 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 07:41 Nouar wrote:
On October 24 2011 07:29 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:52 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:47 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:44 how2TL wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:37 HappyChris wrote:
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Yea, I agree Idra,Thorzain,MC,Sjow,Marineking,MaNa,Grubby,Nerchio isnt a prober challenge o.0 Say what?
How is that in any way comparable to Code S?
Its not but there is stil 2 code S players there. Players who has won GSL and place 2nd many times + the best foreigners in the world. Not an easy tournament to win
Except it's less relevant listing all the players than who he actually beat... He has no one worthy of mentioning in his group, then he beat Axslav, Cloud, MKP, Mana. So the only one worthy of mentioning is MKP, whom just barely got back into Code S last season, and then not make it out of ro32. Add on to the fact that it was only a Bo3, and ZvT is Stephano's best MU, it definitely didn't deserve all the overhyping he got.
You can only beat the players put in front of you. He beat all the players that beat the players. Thats how a tournament works
That is how tournaments work but that isn't how you compare how good a player is. By your logic, Polt beat MMA pretty one-sidedly several times, but MMA beat MVP, whom beat pretty much everyone else, including Nestea, who pretty much beat everyone as well. So therefore, Polt is the best player in the world? Just because you beat player A in a Bo3, who also beat player B, that doesn't mean you yourself can beat player B. That is how Starcraft works.
So yeah Fubi "oh he just beat MKP and ZvT is Stephano's best matchup, doesn't deserve" May I remind you MKP is 35-16 (68% win) in Korea in TvZ and his best matchup, too ? (and he beat him two times this month) OH shit it's Stephano's best matchup.... The only fact you are arguing that, and telling Stephano isn't an underdog against the human with the 2nd best ratio in Korea against Zerg says it all.
Wait, don't put words in my mouth, I never said he doesn't deserve his win. I said he doesn't deserve the overhyping, and definitely doesn't deserve all these people claiming he's best zerg in the world or even comparable to players like Nestea MVP. Also regarding MKP, may I remind you as well that he isn't at his peak atm. He just finished a big slump, and just narrowly got back into Code S, and got out at ro32. ALSO, you brought up the fact of 68% win rate, this also means 32% lose rate, which is definitely within probability to lose a Bo3 here and there, especially against a good opponent with their strongest MU as TvZ such as Stephano. It's just annoying seeing these foreigner get overhyped as god every time one of them has some slight spark of hope of success. It was like that for Thorzain and Naniwa, and where are they now?
FACT : MKP is 11-1 in series vs zergs in GSL. Only loss ? 4-3 vs NesTea. He has never lost a boX vs a korean zerg apart from that open season 2 final.
Are you seriously including Open Season results from literally a year ago? We all know how relevant games from even just 3 months ago are, let alone almost a year. He hasn't really had that many TvZs in general in the recent months, at least in terms of GSL. His most recent matches against Zergs are GSL August Up and Down vs Violet: won GSL July vs Losira in ro32: lost GSL July Up&Down vs FD: won GSTL S1 vs DRG: lost Although they're all Bo1, it still doesn't look too godly the only Bo3 he played in GSL recently is against Yugioh and Leenock and won. So not really enough of data to say he's in shape or not. Most of the godly win % he has against Zerg is literally from when he was at his prime few months ago before his slump into code A. Yes, he's back in code S and there is definitely hope that he's back in shape, but he still have yet to show that it in the result. Like I said before, this is just like Thorzain beating FD in TSL3 and then end up winning it, gets hyped as hell, gets sent to GSL, drops out first round, gives up and and now is back to Europe. Gets really annoying when all these overhyping proclaiming rising players as gods and best in the world etc etc, when they have not even shown any real results in the real test yet.
Oh listen I'M SORRY mkp is in a slump yes he didn't just win the arena of legends beating losira, trickster in groups then 3-0 mma who just won code S then 4-1 dongraegu in the finals, a player not known AT ALL for his ZvT....
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| noddy United Kingdom. October 24 2011 17:48. Posts 905 | Profile # |
On October 24 2011 10:51 Fubi wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 09:25 Nouar wrote:
On October 24 2011 09:04 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 07:41 Nouar wrote:
On October 24 2011 07:29 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:58 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:52 Fubi wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:47 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 05:44 how2TL wrote:
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Yea, I agree Idra,Thorzain,MC,Sjow,Marineking,MaNa,Grubby,Nerchio isnt a prober challenge o.0 Say what?
How is that in any way comparable to Code S?
Its not but there is stil 2 code S players there. Players who has won GSL and place 2nd many times + the best foreigners in the world. Not an easy tournament to win
Except it's less relevant listing all the players than who he actually beat... He has no one worthy of mentioning in his group, then he beat Axslav, Cloud, MKP, Mana. So the only one worthy of mentioning is MKP, whom just barely got back into Code S last season, and then not make it out of ro32. Add on to the fact that it was only a Bo3, and ZvT is Stephano's best MU, it definitely didn't deserve all the overhyping he got.
You can only beat the players put in front of you. He beat all the players that beat the players. Thats how a tournament works
That is how tournaments work but that isn't how you compare how good a player is. By your logic, Polt beat MMA pretty one-sidedly several times, but MMA beat MVP, whom beat pretty much everyone else, including Nestea, who pretty much beat everyone as well. So therefore, Polt is the best player in the world? Just because you beat player A in a Bo3, who also beat player B, that doesn't mean you yourself can beat player B. That is how Starcraft works.
So yeah Fubi "oh he just beat MKP and ZvT is Stephano's best matchup, doesn't deserve" May I remind you MKP is 35-16 (68% win) in Korea in TvZ and his best matchup, too ? (and he beat him two times this month) OH shit it's Stephano's best matchup.... The only fact you are arguing that, and telling Stephano isn't an underdog against the human with the 2nd best ratio in Korea against Zerg says it all.
Wait, don't put words in my mouth, I never said he doesn't deserve his win. I said he doesn't deserve the overhyping, and definitely doesn't deserve all these people claiming he's best zerg in the world or even comparable to players like Nestea MVP. Also regarding MKP, may I remind you as well that he isn't at his peak atm. He just finished a big slump, and just narrowly got back into Code S, and got out at ro32. ALSO, you brought up the fact of 68% win rate, this also means 32% lose rate, which is definitely within probability to lose a Bo3 here and there, especially against a good opponent with their strongest MU as TvZ such as Stephano. It's just annoying seeing these foreigner get overhyped as god every time one of them has some slight spark of hope of success. It was like that for Thorzain and Naniwa, and where are they now?
FACT : MKP is 11-1 in series vs zergs in GSL. Only loss ? 4-3 vs NesTea. He has never lost a boX vs a korean zerg apart from that open season 2 final.
Are you seriously including Open Season results from literally a year ago? We all know how relevant games from even just 3 months ago are, let alone almost a year. He hasn't really had that many TvZs in general in the recent months, at least in terms of GSL. His most recent matches against Zergs are GSL August Up and Down vs Violet: won GSL July vs Losira in ro32: lost GSL July Up&Down vs FD: won GSTL S1 vs DRG: lost Although they're all Bo1, it still doesn't look too godly the only Bo3 he played in GSL recently is against Yugioh and Leenock and won. So not really enough of data to say he's in shape or not. Most of the godly win % he has against Zerg is literally from when he was at his prime few months ago before his slump into code A. Yes, he's back in code S and there is definitely hope that he's back in shape, but he still have yet to show that it in the result. Like I said before, this is just like Thorzain beating FD in TSL3 and then end up winning it, gets hyped as hell, gets sent to GSL, drops out first round, gives up and and now is back to Europe. Gets really annoying when all these overhyping proclaiming rising players as gods and best in the world etc etc, when they have not even shown any real results in the real test yet.
Those aren't his most recent matches.
That said, he didn't play well vs Stephano at all and lost because of his awful builds. Not because Stephano is "the best"Last edit: 2011-10-24 17:49:47 |
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| HappyChris October 24 2011 17:49. Posts 1534 | Profile # |
On October 24 2011 09:44 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 24 2011 09:20 Nouar wrote:
On October 24 2011 08:50 mordk wrote:
On October 24 2011 08:41 HappyChris wrote:
On October 24 2011 08:33 mordk wrote:
On October 24 2011 08:25 Toxi78 wrote:
On October 24 2011 08:23 mordk wrote:Stephano is good. Stephano is not the best zerg in the world. Stephano is probably the best zerg in EU right now. Stephano has a much more stable and overall shows better play than Idra. NesTea is undoubtedly the best zerg in the world, with a ZvT that is a little shaky sometimes, but that is played against opponents of much higher caliber than Stephano's regular terran opponents. Remember that it only took Boxer and co. a few days of theorycrafting to figure his style out and take him down at MLG. And Boxer can't even be considered a top terran in SC2 (I love Boxer anyways though ) So yeah. He's very good, but he's not unbeatable OR the best zerg in the world, nobody's saying he's a bad player, but sometimes fans exaggerate a bit too much, and it can be annoying. Equally annoying as Idra's fan whenever he wins any matches.
get your facts straight, they didn't theorycraft anything, stephano didn't play his ling infestor style at MLG, and prefered muta ling banneling style. they didn't "figure him out", and i'm almost sure if he used his ling infestor style he would have had a good chance too.
Get your facts straight. At IPL stephano opened most games with a mixture of ling/roach to control the SlayerS hellion openers and many times ended up crashing the front with those compositions. SlayerS countered this by including the marauder into their openers, and then progressed into a more standard marine/tank compositions with a few marauders thrown in there. This allowed terran to pressure the third easily vs the roach composition, and made the midgame easy for them. It's best shown on BoxeR vs Stephano on metalopolis.
I dont understand why you argur about MLG. Stephano sayd before he went to US that he thought he would do well at IGN but not MLG becuase he dont got good stamina and you need that to go into the open bracket but he sitll played well. Yea, Boxer beat a tired Stephano who cares doesnt mean anything. He beat boxer at IPL quite easy and today he dominated MKP. He is amasing and winning 2 major lans out of 3 is something no other foreign zerg has done. And btw Stephano is a zerg thats really hard to figure out since he can do it all ling/infestor bling/muta. ling/roach
I'm not downplaying Stephano's achievements, they're great. What I'm saying is that basically when you say a player is "the best in the world" you need a more general perspective, and we don't get that because Stephano hasn't been "tested" in the hardest competition. He might be the best foreigner zerg I'll give you that, and imo is definitely better than Idra. But to be able to say he's the "best zerg in the world", the "first foreign bonjwa", "better than NesTea" and such other huge exaggerations people have been saying, you need more information, that's all.
WHO is saying that seriously ? WHO ? WHERE ? Link posts. (and not one liners in the frenzy of the victory in LR threads...) @ Fubi : 66% winrate vs Code S players (see a previous post of mine) and going 27-13 vs koreans altogether in 1 month is not a "slight glimmer of hope" it's damn playing on equal grounds !! Again, nearly nobody is saying "best in the world blablabla", at least in the last 8 pages of this thread. You're all arguing against non existent persons.
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Stephano once again showing that he's the hottest Zerg in the foreigner's scene at the moment, if not the world. Wasn't able to catch the games as I fell asleep, but the results speak for themselves. You don't win tournaments with line-ups as stacked as IPL 3 and ESWC without having something special.
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I've been convinced for about a month that Stephano is the best zerg in the world, including Korea.
I don't see any other players that control their zerglings and roaches as effectively as Stephano. I don't know how he does it, but somehow he has mastered the art of not having lings running around not attacking. Watch him attack a siege line, he somehow separates his lings so that only the right amount surrounds the tanks and the rest carry on to attack the other units. Any other player I see do this, always has extra lings running circles around tanks and not attacking..... even Nestea last night vs MVP.
I would love to see him play a best of 7 vs MVP right now..... I would not be at all surpised if Stephano beat him.
Just a few overly dramatic statements. Now if I were to search the IPL ones.......... Suffice to say I wouldn't be able to put them all here. The problem I have with this issue goes beyond the simple irrationality of the arguments posted, but the fact that it ruins threads. IMO it should be at least warnable, it makes thread go haywire and lets trolls loose upon this world.
Ok, so 2-3 pople got abit to excited who cares lol. When Idra Beat bomber there was 100 people saying its a normal reaction after a tournament. |
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