[Champion] Riven

Ire vs riven is an even lane generally. I'd say Ire has the advantage in a passive lane. but Riven has the advantage with doing things with ganks or getting away from ganks.

Shiv. March 03 2012 22:17. Posts 1902

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On March 03 2012 17:38 bobbob wrote:
Ire vs riven is an even lane generally. I'd say Ire has the advantage in a passive lane. but Riven has the advantage with doing things with ganks or getting away from ganks.

I wouldn't consider it an even lane. Unless Riven gets ridiculously ahead really early on, I don't see how she's supposed to trade with Irelia once she has Wriggle's and maybe Tabi. Whenever she tries to engage, Irelia can eat a Q or two and then just go to town on her with EW. I'm generally able to zone Rivens once I have my first two items, and from this point on, it's an uphill battle for Riven. I just don't see how she can deal with your ridiculous sustain and true damage.

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deth2munkies United States. March 04 2012 01:21. Posts 1804

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On March 03 2012 22:17 Shiv. wrote:

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Yeah, Irelia will just beat Riven unless you manage to kill her several times. You can force Irelia off the creeps at the beginning, but she can still get near perfect farm under tower with Q, then come back after first buy and destroy you.

If you do manage to kill her early and get a level advantage, you can kill her at 6 easily, then she's your bitch for the rest of the game.

mr_tolkien France. March 05 2012 01:34. Posts 3311

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When would you buy Wriggles and when would you buy DBlades ?

I usually favor Dblades when armor isn't my #1 concern, and Wriggles only against pure physical.
And with what you see top those days (WW, Shen, Jax, Olaf, ...), I end up going DBlades most of the time :/

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NeoIllusions United States. March 05 2012 01:36. Posts 17815

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Wriggle's is more for lane sustainability. Blades give you additional HP to survive more burst damage.

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Sponkz Denmark. March 05 2012 02:23. Posts 794

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Whenever i play riven (which isn't very often), i usually get wriggles+2 dblade, just because it's so cheap stats and it makes you able to farm up phage/bf sword easily.

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greggy United Kingdom. March 05 2012 10:51. Posts 876

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That's just massive overkill. Unless you're getting completely dumpstered in your lane you shouldn't need both wriggles and dblades. I prefer wriggles personally because it's just less slots and lets you jungle/solo stuff easier. Dblades are better if you can't survive till you complete wriggles, I guess. Doesn't happen much at my level though >_>

R04R United States. March 05 2012 11:23. Posts 1134

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I don't think it's overkill. There's the case that you might have wriggle's to win your lane, but come early-midgame skirmishes I'd rather gain an advantage abusing dblade's cost efficiency instead of having 1 ruby crystal and 1 long sword in my inventory.

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Hidden_MotiveS Canada. March 05 2012 11:41. Posts 2019

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On March 05 2012 01:36 NeoIllusions wrote:
Wriggle's is more for lane sustainability. Blades give you additional HP to survive more burst damage.

Assuming your opponent went 25 arpen (assume the worst) then wriggles probably provides comparable burst survivability as 1-2 doran's blades. I can't be sure though.

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Navi Korea (South). March 05 2012 12:06. Posts 3249

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there's magic damage
there's true damage (fk olaf)

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Hidden_MotiveS Canada. March 05 2012 12:45. Posts 2019

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On March 05 2012 12:06 Navi wrote:
there's magic damage
there's true damage (fk olaf)

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Gahlo United States. March 06 2012 23:38. Posts 1922

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Is anybody else really burnt out on Riven's lack of itemization? I can only stack BTs so many times. =\

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greggy United Kingdom. March 07 2012 00:18. Posts 876

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On March 05 2012 11:23 R04R wrote:
I don't think it's overkill. There's the case that you might have wriggle's to win your lane, but come early-midgame skirmishes I'd rather gain an advantage abusing dblade's cost efficiency instead of having 1 ruby crystal and 1 long sword in my inventory.

That implies that you're building phage, so not sure if serious.

Gahlo United States. March 13 2012 00:15. Posts 1922

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Anybody try 9/21/0 recently?

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Shiv. March 13 2012 01:19. Posts 1902

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On March 13 2012 00:15 Gahlo wrote:
Anybody try 9/21/0 recently?

Nope, and honestly, I see no reason to do so. A champ who scales that well with the offensive tree and gains next to nothing from defense? IDK, there's a lot of aggressive champs I'd consider going 21 in defense, but Riven isn't one of them.

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Gahlo United States. March 15 2012 00:23. Posts 1922

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Olaf, ouph. Haven't been beaten that badly in a lane in I don't know how long.

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Shifft Canada. March 15 2012 01:40. Posts 952

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On March 06 2012 23:38 Gahlo wrote:
Is anybody else really burnt out on Riven's lack of itemization? I can only stack BTs so many times. =\

Riven's depth comes from how you play her not how you build her. Who cares if you build the same items every game if there are 100 other ways you can improve your game.

snpnx Germany. March 15 2012 21:26. Posts 428

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On March 15 2012 00:23 Gahlo wrote:
Olaf, ouph. Haven't been beaten that badly in a lane in I don't know how long.

Olaf and Shyvana are pretty much the only Champs where I don't feel superior. He's a really hard lane in my (lowskill) opinion

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Gahlo United States. March 15 2012 22:47. Posts 1922

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I had heard in a shyvana player discussion, since I play her too, that it's all about landing her E. If Shyvana can land her E they will engage, otherwise it isn't worth it. Keeping safe behind minions seems to be the key. If they get frustrated and dive anyway they'll push it super hard.

Against Olaf, I have no idea what to do. Because of the health difference Olaf seems to come out too far ahead on his true damage, even if you shield it. That's also ignoring that it has a smaller cooldown as well.

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snpnx Germany. March 15 2012 23:08. Posts 428

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On March 15 2012 22:47 Gahlo wrote:
I had heard in a shyvana player discussion, since I play her too, that it's all about landing her E. If Shyvana can land her E they will engage, otherwise it isn't worth it. Keeping safe behind minions seems to be the key. If they get frustrated and dive anyway they'll push it super hard.

Against Olaf, I have no idea what to do. Because of the health difference Olaf seems to come out too far ahead on his true damage, even if you shield it. That's also ignoring that it has a smaller cooldown as well.

That's interesting to note, next time I'm up against a Shyvana, I'll try to see if that will work out for me