 Belial88 United States. February 29 2012 02:24. Posts 5217 | Profile Blog # |
Hey,
So when I use Xsplit, the streaming is okay. But when I use DXtory, it goes to absolute shit. I've run through the videos multiple times, and I've set it up all correctly. (athlon x4 3.4, 4gb ram, gtx460).
I don't know what's up with that.
Also, even without using DXtory, it's kind of okay, but like in major engagements, it really kind of craps out. Apparently, from what I've been told, is that everyone gets this, even pros like destiny or whomever, and it's just the cost of streaming. Is that true? That streaming always kind of costs performance? |
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| Josh_rakoons United Kingdom. February 29 2012 02:31. Posts 1157 | Profile # |
| Then don't use dxtory. It's quite simple, sometimes dxtory works on some systems, sometimes it doesnt. Just like xsplit. |
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| Stoppable Sweden. March 03 2012 20:29. Posts 3 | Profile # |
Ok so i've streamed before and im about to start again.
I've got dxTory.
CPU: Quad Q9400 @ 2,66ghz
GPU: Geforce GTX 560 1GB
RAM: 6 GB DDR3
Connection: 24 / 10
Desktop: 1920*1080
Stream: 960*540
I used to use the following but after reading this thread it just doesnt seem optimal:
Bitrate: 3200
Buffer: 1200
Quality: 7
Preset: superfast
(The Bitrate vs Buffer doesnt seem to be optimal according to this thread?)
Could use some help :D |
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| HellGreen Denmark. March 05 2012 00:40. Posts 1140 | Profile # |
On March 03 2012 20:29 Stoppable wrote:
CPU: Quad Q9400 @ 2,66ghz
Connection: 24 / 10
Stream: 960*540
I used to use the following but after reading this thread it just doesnt seem optimal:
Bitrate: 3200
Buffer: 1200
Quality: 7
Preset: superfast
(The Bitrate vs Buffer doesnt seem to be optimal according to this thread?)
Could use some help :D
This thread kinda addresses how to stream with low bandwidth, which you don't have to worry about. 
But even though your bitrate is much higher (3200 kbps) than needed for a 540p stream, it really doesn't matter, because it's not a fixed setting. It means your stream will use up to that amount (and if needed even higher), but you will rarely - if ever - hit the limit with your resolution (assuming your at 30 or less FPS). You could lower it to 1500 kbps, but it won't really matter for you. But do consider increasing the buffer to 1-2 times the bitrate (recommended ratio). |
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| DarkQ March 05 2012 03:07. Posts 30 | Profile # | |
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| Stoppable Sweden. March 05 2012 03:32. Posts 3 | Profile # |
On March 05 2012 00:40 HellGreen wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 20:29 Stoppable wrote:
CPU: Quad Q9400 @ 2,66ghz
Connection: 24 / 10
Stream: 960*540
I used to use the following but after reading this thread it just doesnt seem optimal:
Bitrate: 3200
Buffer: 1200
Quality: 7
Preset: superfast
(The Bitrate vs Buffer doesnt seem to be optimal according to this thread?)
Could use some help :D
This thread kinda addresses how to stream with low bandwidth, which you don't have to worry about. But even though your bitrate is much higher (3200 kbps) than needed for a 540p stream, it really doesn't matter, because it's not a fixed setting. It means your stream will use up to that amount (and if needed even higher), but you will rarely - if ever - hit the limit with your resolution (assuming your at 30 or less FPS). You could lower it to 1500 kbps, but it won't really matter for you. But do consider increasing the buffer to 1-2 times the bitrate (recommended ratio).
Tweaked my Stream the other night after posting my first question here.
New settings are:
Bitrate: 1500 (Wouldn't go green on any higher then 1500)
Buffer: 1500 (Wouldn't go green on any higher then 1500)
Preset: Superfast
Quality: 10
Audio: 44.1 Stereo
Streaming at 960*540 but dxtory changes it to 1280*720 so it looks better.
What im wondering is, how exactly does this 1:2 ratio work with Bitrate vs buffer?
Cause i got 1500/1500 right now and seems to work fine, i get around 40-60 FPS atm.
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| HellGreen Denmark. March 05 2012 16:53. Posts 1140 | Profile # |
On March 05 2012 03:32 Stoppable wrote:
New settings are:
Bitrate: 1500 (Wouldn't go green on any higher then 1500)
Just change the location setting in channel settings to a named server to get better upload speeds. But again, it wont affect your stream quality. So you're already good.
On March 05 2012 03:32 Stoppable wrote:
Streaming at 960*540 but dxtory changes it to 1280*720 so it looks better.
No, it will not look better. You effectively resize the frames from desktop resolution to dxtory's 720p to 540p. That will hurt quality-wise. Set dxtory to the same as your output resolution to prevent the triple conversion.
On March 05 2012 03:32 Stoppable wrote:
What im wondering is, how exactly does this 1:2 ratio work with Bitrate vs buffer?
Cause i got 1500/1500 right now and seems to work fine, i get around 40-60 FPS atm.
First, ingame FPS is not related to bitrate and buffer. Second, you want the buffer to be 1-2 times the bitrate to get an optimum stream with minimum risk of lag for the viewers. Buffer is mainly a setting affecting the viewers, not the streamer. The reason it's a 1 to 1-2 ratio is because of the way the Flash player handles incoming streams (it is currently restricted in that way, throwing a larger buffer at it is a waste because it will discard the information - use a value too small and those with a slow(ish) internet connection risk lag). |
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| HellGreen Denmark. March 05 2012 17:00. Posts 1140 | Profile # |
On March 05 2012 03:07 DarkQ wrote:so.. i have a problem. i dont maxes out the screen for the viewers ist like a smaller box http://de.twitch.tv/cronostarcraft/b/310605315what can i do to max this out like what u have when u stream the screen region?
Make sure to keep your aspect ratio all the way from your desktop to the stream.
If you have your desktop at a 16 : 10 resolution, you should stream in a 16 : 10 resolution. Same goes for 16 : 9.
So make sure your settings are aligned. And remember that twitch.tv's player (like the one you linked to above) is forced at 16 : 9, so it will always have visibly borders - until you go to fullscreen (assuming your viewer's monitor fits the resolution you stream in). If you stream in 16 : 10 and the viewer has a 16 : 9 monitor he will always have black borders when watching your stream.Last edit: 2012-03-07 18:09:44 |
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| DarkQ March 05 2012 18:41. Posts 30 | Profile # |
On March 05 2012 17:00 HellGreen wrote:Make sure to keep your aspect ratio all the way from your desktop to the stream. If you have your desktop at a 16 : 10 resolution, you should stream in a 16 : 10 resolution. Same goes for 16 : 9. So make sure your settings are aligned. And remember that twitch.tv's player (like the one you linked to above) is forced at 16 : 9, so it will always have visibly borders - until you go to fullscreen (assuming your viewer's monitor fits the resolution you stream in). If you stream in 16 : 10 and a viewers has a 16 : 9 monitor he will always have black borders when watching your stream.
so i need to stream in 1680x1050 or other 16:10 because my monitor is a older one ?-.- |
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| [F_]aths Germany. March 06 2012 07:45. Posts 2768 | Profile Blog # |
I even purchased Dxtory, but I still cannot stream and have playable frame rates with my computer (dualcore CPU @ 3.6 GHz, 4 GB RAM, GTX 285.)
To reduce system load and video bandwidth to Xsplit, I decrease my screen resolution to 1600x900. With Xsplit frame grabbing I have about 40-50 fps shown with SC2 ingame fps counter, but I experience heavy stutter and I get complaints that I cause lagging. With Dxtory, I don't get complaints about lag, but my ingame fps is down to about 20. I made sure that this is not connected to my stream fps (which is 20, too). I changed the stream fps but I still get roughly only 20 fps in game. I cannot really play with 20 frames per second.
My stream resolution is 800x450, but I had no real improvement with 640x360, either. Can I actually stream at least in some settings with my computer?Last edit: 2012-03-06 07:54:18 |
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| nGBeast United States. March 06 2012 16:39. Posts 811 | Profile # |
| I just got Dxtory, but when I turn it on I lag in game and am only getting 20 FPS (in sc2), when I turn it off I go back up to between 70-90. Xsplit is set at 30 and so is Dxtory, and I don't have the FPS thing checked in Dxtory (where it was preset to 60) dunno ho to fix this |
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| Meteo Rain Finland. March 06 2012 16:44. Posts 82 | Profile Blog # |
| Once I get home I get right to get my stream up, because ive had problems with 0,7gb upload speed, but this seems to be solution for me. I let you know once I'm home that if it worked or not. Last edit: 2012-03-06 16:44:31 |
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| Stoppable Sweden. March 06 2012 17:50. Posts 3 | Profile # |
On March 05 2012 16:53 HellGreen wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 03:32 Stoppable wrote:
New settings are:
Bitrate: 1500 (Wouldn't go green on any higher then 1500)
Just change the location setting in channel settings to a named server to get better upload speeds. But again, it wont affect your stream quality. So you're already good.
Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 03:32 Stoppable wrote:
Streaming at 960*540 but dxtory changes it to 1280*720 so it looks better.
No, it will not look better. You effectively resize the frames from desktop resolution to dxtory's 720p to 540p. That will hurt quality-wise. Set dxtory to the same as your output resolution to prevent the triple conversion.
Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 03:32 Stoppable wrote:
What im wondering is, how exactly does this 1:2 ratio work with Bitrate vs buffer?
Cause i got 1500/1500 right now and seems to work fine, i get around 40-60 FPS atm.
First, ingame FPS is not related to bitrate and buffer. Second, you want the buffer to be 1-2 times the bitrate to get an optimum stream with minimum risk of lag for the viewers. Buffer is mainly a setting affecting the viewers, not the streamer. The reason it's a 1 to 1-2 ratio is because of the way the Flash player handles incoming streams (it is currently restricted in that way, throwing a larger buffer at it is a waste because it will discard the information - use a value too small and those with a slow(ish) internet connection risk lag).
My stream looks perfect though and im averaging 50fps.
No one is complaining on lag either and thats with the 1500/1500 setting. Should i do 1500/3000 to improve even more then? |
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| itsNifty Netherlands. March 06 2012 18:50. Posts 28 | Profile # |
In the middle of my stream i get and ad: dxtory.com
How can i remove this? |
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| --derp-- United States. March 06 2012 19:38. Posts 5 | Profile # |
Justin Ignacio (TheGunRun) who is now an employee of twitch.tv once tweeted a sweet configuration for xsplit that will universally stream on any quad core system with 6 gigs of ram. Given your upload speed can handle it of course.
XSplit Game Capture, Preset: faster&ex:cfg:18, Quality: No, VBV Max Bitrate 2700, VBV Buffer 1400
Source (@TheGunrun on twitter)
ps- always disable anti-aliasing and vsync
pps- if you want to turn up the quality you actually turn the number down (but don't go lower than 10 unless you are using a dedicated encoding system).
ppps- I use faster&ex:cfg:16Last edit: 2012-03-06 19:41:03 |
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| itsNifty Netherlands. March 06 2012 19:49. Posts 28 | Profile # |
On March 06 2012 19:38 --derp-- wrote:Justin Ignacio (TheGunRun) who is now an employee of twitch.tv once tweeted a sweet configuration for xsplit that will universally stream on any quad core system with 6 gigs of ram. Given your upload speed can handle it of course. XSplit Game Capture, Preset: faster&ex:cfg:18, Quality: No, VBV Max Bitrate 2700, VBV Buffer 1400 Source (@TheGunrun on twitter) ps- always disable anti-aliasing and vsync pps- if you want to turn up the quality you actually turn the number down (but don't go lower than 10 unless you are using a dedicated encoding system). ppps- I use faster&ex:cfg:16
What is your up;load speed?
I have 2,5 upload for example, i dont know what those numbers stand for. But how can i optimize it for me. I tried it and had no lag ingame very nice . Only the stream stuttered a bit.Last edit: 2012-03-06 20:07:07 |
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| Meteo Rain Finland. March 06 2012 20:58. Posts 82 | Profile Blog # |
Will my specs / internet pass?
2years old computer:
Windows 7
CPU: i5-750s 2,6ghz / 3,2ghz(turbo)
Video card: 5850
Ram: 4gb
monitor 1920x 1080
Internet 15 down / 750kb up
My internet provider promised 24 down / 1up but of course they never are the real speedsLast edit: 2012-03-06 21:52:08 |
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| laharl23 United States. March 07 2012 01:07. Posts 577 | Profile # |
| Great guide. I have a .8 upload/1.2 download and my computer isn't that amazing and I'm able to stream in pretty good quality without any lag. |
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| HellGreen Denmark. March 07 2012 17:46. Posts 1140 | Profile # |
On March 06 2012 18:50 itsNifty wrote:
In the middle of my stream i get and ad: dxtory.com
How can i remove this?
Buy the software |
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| HellGreen Denmark. March 07 2012 17:48. Posts 1140 | Profile # |
On March 06 2012 17:50 Stoppable wrote:
My stream looks perfect though and im averaging 50fps.
No one is complaining on lag either and thats with the 1500/1500 setting. Should i do 1500/3000 to improve even more then?
Well, if it ain't broken, don't fix it 
Yeah, you can raise the buffer to 3k, but I seriously doubt you will be able to tell the difference, but given the right conditions the codec will make use of it. |
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