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| SnipedSoul Canada. February 20 2012 10:22. Posts 1691 | Profile # |
Rax is already the plural form. Please stop calling them raxes.
Other than that great job. |
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| IPA United States. February 20 2012 10:37. Posts 2775 | Profile # |
On February 04 2012 17:01 plogamer wrote:
I love your light-hearted style of casting. Don't pay attention to these kids with 10 foot pole up their arse. DoA and Cats' chemistry pales to HD and Painuser. You guys seem to geniunely enjoy eachothers' company.
This is a feedback thread. In such a thread, people are encouraged to give criticism so that the casting can improve. Just because someone disagrees with your opinion, it doesn't mean they have a "10 foot pole up their arse". I've stopped watching HD/PU because of HD's attempts at humor, and the apathetic way in which they approach what should be considered a dream job.
Know the players, know the maps, remain aware of basic strategies, watch the minimap so you're not talking about god knows what as a drop occurs. Frankly, it's embarrassing.
Good luck IPL. |
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| UglyBastard Germany. February 20 2012 11:34. Posts 28 | Profile # |
I like PainUser's casting because he gives good insight and I like to hear the opionions of good players.
What I find entertaining about HD is his really awkward style, like when he talks when commercials pop up, makes terrible calls, makes really weird jokes or sometimes randomly drops the ball .
I know this is more a sign of bad casting, but to be honest it makes me laugh and is therefore entertaining.
Also HD has a really good broadcaster voice.
But I have to say that I can take the awkwardness of HD's casting only to a certain degree, when there are matches I am really interested in I prefer analytical casters like Orb, HD is more for the lulz if you know what I mean.
No offense intended, I actually enjoy the cast more than generic casting without a certain twist or superior knowlegde. |
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| Snoman Canada. February 20 2012 12:10. Posts 190 | Profile # |
On February 20 2012 10:37 IPA wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 17:01 plogamer wrote:
I love your light-hearted style of casting. Don't pay attention to these kids with 10 foot pole up their arse. DoA and Cats' chemistry pales to HD and Painuser. You guys seem to geniunely enjoy eachothers' company.
This is a feedback thread. In such a thread, people are encouraged to give criticism so that the casting can improve. Just because someone disagrees with your opinion, it doesn't mean they have a "10 foot pole up their arse". I've stopped watching HD/PU because of HD's attempts at humor, and the apathetic way in which they approach what should be considered a dream job. Know the players, know the maps, remain aware of basic strategies, watch the minimap so you're not talking about god knows what as a drop occurs. Frankly, it's embarrassing. Good luck IPL.
What about their approach strikes you as apathetic? |
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| IPA United States. February 20 2012 12:22. Posts 2775 | Profile # |
On February 20 2012 12:10 Snoman wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 10:37 IPA wrote:
On February 04 2012 17:01 plogamer wrote:
I love your light-hearted style of casting. Don't pay attention to these kids with 10 foot pole up their arse. DoA and Cats' chemistry pales to HD and Painuser. You guys seem to geniunely enjoy eachothers' company.
This is a feedback thread. In such a thread, people are encouraged to give criticism so that the casting can improve. Just because someone disagrees with your opinion, it doesn't mean they have a "10 foot pole up their arse". I've stopped watching HD/PU because of HD's attempts at humor, and the apathetic way in which they approach what should be considered a dream job. Know the players, know the maps, remain aware of basic strategies, watch the minimap so you're not talking about god knows what as a drop occurs. Frankly, it's embarrassing. Good luck IPL.
What about their approach strikes you as apathetic?
Not taking the time to research players, maps, basic openings, mini map events, etc. |
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| Komentaja United States. February 20 2012 13:23. Posts 252 | Profile # |
I just have to put in that Painuser can be a little too critical at times, but he is overall one of my favorite casters due to his knowledge, humor, and smoothness.
HD is inattentive, says the same thing that his partner does a second after it is said, and has enough tangents that I feel like I'm watching a hyperactive valley girl sometimes. He also has to put into almost every cast that, "I like 'macro' games. This is a 'macro' map. The players are just 'macroing'." HD has one minor good thing going for him, in that is that he is not overly critical of the players or of SC2's randomness. |
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| Shebuha Canada. February 20 2012 13:44. Posts 939 | Profile # |
On February 20 2012 12:22 IPA wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 12:10 Snoman wrote:
On February 20 2012 10:37 IPA wrote:
On February 04 2012 17:01 plogamer wrote:
I love your light-hearted style of casting. Don't pay attention to these kids with 10 foot pole up their arse. DoA and Cats' chemistry pales to HD and Painuser. You guys seem to geniunely enjoy eachothers' company.
This is a feedback thread. In such a thread, people are encouraged to give criticism so that the casting can improve. Just because someone disagrees with your opinion, it doesn't mean they have a "10 foot pole up their arse". I've stopped watching HD/PU because of HD's attempts at humor, and the apathetic way in which they approach what should be considered a dream job. Know the players, know the maps, remain aware of basic strategies, watch the minimap so you're not talking about god knows what as a drop occurs. Frankly, it's embarrassing. Good luck IPL.
What about their approach strikes you as apathetic?
Not taking the time to research players, maps, basic openings, mini map events, etc.
I agree with this! It's understandable if casters miss stuff on the mini map in a live tournament/live online event because of how exciting it is and nervous they might be, but if you're casting from reps most of the time.. come on. And yeah, it really isn't excusable for casters to not know their maps in and out, the players they're casting and the basic openings either.
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| CatNzHat United States. February 20 2012 14:16. Posts 1290 | Profile # |
I'd just like to say that most of the posters in this thread, specifically in the last few pages, aren't offering anything constructive, and are mostly repeating each other.
If you're going to complain about something being some way, explain how you think it ought to be, and why.
I enjoy HD/Painuser because of their fun personalities, they keep me entertained. If I'm looking for in-depth analysis, I tend to watch with the audio OFF so that it forces me to actually think about the game and actually pay attention, instead of just assuming the casters are right (if you assume they're wrong, why even listen to them).
If they miss a drop, or miss-read a build, so what? Everyone does that, you can't be perfect every time, Tastosis miss drops all the time, even ST_Legend (observer for the GSL) misses some stuff on a fairly regular basis. Nobody is perfect.
If they missed every drop and never read anything about what the players were doing that would be a problem, if you think that's the case, then say that, otherwise keep your once-off analysis to yourself.
Also, knowing player names and maps and whatnot would most likely not be their fault, there is a whole production crew there, and it's probably someone else's job to inform them who they're casting and what the map pool is (make a 1-page writeup of the players, map pool, team standings, etc..), and if it's not, then IPL should incorporate that into their production workflow, as should a lot of other productions.
If you're complaining about them not knowing or saying something that you already know, and you're a low-league noob, then chances are everyone else knows it too, and it probably goes without saying.
My feedback:
Keep your liveliness, but focus more on reading the current game state, and predicting where it's going, every time you predict correctly give yourself a virtual cookie. |
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| cmcaneff5502 United States. February 20 2012 14:49. Posts 114 | Profile # |
| My favorite casting pairs have one caster who focuses on analysis and game knowledge, and another who focuses on play by play and entertainment. I think HD and puser do this really well, as do catz and doa for ipl currently. that being said, i think HD should focus more on the play by play, and puser focus more on analysis. Also, I think that there is kind of a lot of awkward tension between HD and puser, and it has made me uncomfortable for a long time. If one of you makes a joke or comment that happens to offend the other one, it starts this weird back and forth "joking" insult match that has gotten super uncomfortable during some games. regardless, you two are my favorite casting pair! keep up the good work. |
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| fishjie United States. March 16 2012 03:13. Posts 559 | Profile # |
| Hey I haven't seen painuser or HD casting on IGN for a while, and they were my favorite casting pair. What happened? |
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| ref4 March 16 2012 04:05. Posts 1021 | Profile # |
HD, you need to stop saying the filler words "uh" "um" etc. Using those words sparsely is definitely ok, but whenever I hear you cast you sound basically like Obama without the teleprompter. Instead of uh- and um-ing every other word just pause for a split second, gather what word you want to use and say it, I am sure you know this little public speaking trick. 
Painuser, you need to give HD/co-caster a chance to talk man, I kinda feel bad for HD sometimes.
To both: please, please please do some research on the players, maps and the current meta games! (the meta games can be taken care of by spending an hour or two watching the GSL) Especially for HD I feel like even though you are a NA master zerg you are often surprised by the very basic builds thrown out by the current top Koreans.
Otherwise good job to both! You two are doing what you truly love and are getting paid well for it! (damn you for taking my dream job lol) Best of luck to your future career as an E-sport commentator! |
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| Holcan Canada. March 16 2012 05:29. Posts 2489 | Profile # |
where are you guys casting now? I miss you a lot  |
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| Defacer Canada. March 16 2012 06:51. Posts 4809 | Profile Blog # |
On February 20 2012 10:22 SnipedSoul wrote:
Rax is already the plural form. Please stop calling them raxes.
Other than that great job.
LOL. That's pretty anal ... but you're right.
It bothers me as much as when InControl says "ASAPly."
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| Legion710 Canada. March 16 2012 07:00. Posts 422 | Profile # |
Never posted in this thread, but I guess I'm bored.
Ever since I watched a few of your videos, HD, I'm not gonna lie, I think you're just terrible. That's just my personal opinion. Overall, you have pretty bad knowledge of the game and your "humor" makes me cringe badly... Also, it's obvious that you try VERY HARD to be overly nice to the viewer and to everyone, which comes out so fake as badly as the girl in The Ring comes out of the TV.
For positives, I guess you have a good mic and voice.
But you and people like Husky just shouldn't be casting high level games, I'm sorry. I don't mind if you cast anything else really, that's just great.
In general, pro casters should be ex-GM+ players that express themselves fluently and have a great personality. If not, they should be someone that is AMAZING at keeping track of what's going on on the map that can follow and describe live action well (play by play). Even Tasteless doesn't do this well, to be honest.Last edit: 2012-03-16 07:02:08 |
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| MaV_gGSC Canada. March 16 2012 07:04. Posts 1306 | Profile Blog # |
You guys have great synergy. You can really feel the respect you give each other and I think that's why you guys are such such great casters.
Keep up the good work guys! |
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| Crankk Germany. March 16 2012 07:09. Posts 32 | Profile # |
| I like yor cast very much. Keep going! |
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| OpticalPhonon Canada. March 16 2012 07:15. Posts 72 | Profile # |
On March 16 2012 03:13 fishjie wrote:
Hey I haven't seen painuser or HD casting on IGN for a while, and they were my favorite casting pair. What happened?
On March 16 2012 05:29 Holcan wrote:where are you guys casting now? I miss you a lot
Painuser said on Inside the Game that him and HD are no longer working full-time for IGN and that they'll only be doing events (e.g. IPL4). |
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| Poehalcho March 16 2012 07:49. Posts 142 | Profile # |
I always enjoy the HD casts, although you do make a lot of mistakes. I think most come forth not from your lack of knowledge, but from simply trying too hard. On one hand you try to make things sound exciting, thus you call everything an all-in or a rush. On the other hand you will often try to read the mind of a player and try to come up with an answer that sounds high-level when he's just doing some basic stuff any player would. I also notice you'll sometimes call things happening around the 11-15th minute mark openings... He's going for a banshee opening (clock at 12 minutes).
Finally I guess you use some strange words sometimes. You refrain from swearing/cursing, yet you constantly make sexual innuendo's (And I'm not even sure you're conscious of it D. And you'll sometimes use repetitive lines: "that's all she wrote" and stuff like that.
Still, you are probably my favorite caster. On one hand you have a great voice, on the other hand you have a likeable personality. I somewhat hate husky's voice and I probably wouldn't last long being around him if I knew him, too social for me D:. The only reason I subscribed to him was cause he brings out more content faster and cause Day9 mostly uploads hour-long analyses instead of gamecasts. Last edit: 2012-03-16 08:02:36 |
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| fishjie United States. March 16 2012 07:55. Posts 559 | Profile # |
On March 16 2012 07:15 OpticalPhonon wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 03:13 fishjie wrote:
Hey I haven't seen painuser or HD casting on IGN for a while, and they were my favorite casting pair. What happened?
Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 05:29 Holcan wrote:where are you guys casting now? I miss you a lot
Painuser said on Inside the Game that him and HD are no longer working full-time for IGN and that they'll only be doing events (e.g. IPL4).
that's sad
I really enjoyed them as a casting duo. i search painuser to see if i could find any info and found this thread |
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| Flamingo777 United States. March 16 2012 08:10. Posts 1140 | Profile # |
On March 16 2012 07:55 fishjie wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 07:15 OpticalPhonon wrote:
On March 16 2012 03:13 fishjie wrote:
Hey I haven't seen painuser or HD casting on IGN for a while, and they were my favorite casting pair. What happened?
On March 16 2012 05:29 Holcan wrote:where are you guys casting now? I miss you a lot
Painuser said on Inside the Game that him and HD are no longer working full-time for IGN and that they'll only be doing events (e.g. IPL4).
that's sad I really enjoyed them as a casting duo. i search painuser to see if i could find any info and found this thread
This thread just reminded me of them, I really haven't seen either of them in a long time. They were definitely trying to improve as a casting duo. |
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