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| iky43210 United States. October 11 2011 15:55. Posts 1952 | Profile Blog # |
I enjoyed your castings. But don't ever criticize or say anything bad about zergs, they get rifle up about that and will hurt your casting.
Well, in general don't criticize players too much. Give the winners credit, fewer bash on the loser. |
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 Excalibur_Z United States. October 11 2011 15:55. Posts 10289 | Profile # |
| Painuser is pretty good, no complaints about him as he has the experience and knowledge from playing this game at a decent level. HD... you just need to improve. You try too hard to make jokes that it comes off as unnatural, your game knowledge is lacking beyond the superficial, and you just need to focus more on how battles and strategies play out. Your accuracy in predicting the outcomes of battles and builds is pretty low, so I'd say try that as a starting point. |
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| MonkSEA Australia. October 11 2011 15:59. Posts 1161 | Profile Blog # |
| I enjoyed Painusers smooth voice.. But not yours HD, I avoid you like the black plague, even with that being said, I kinda enjoyed the finals. Less talking about shit you don't know and more talking shit about what you do know and maybe you'll come over as an educated caster rather then a struggling diamond player speaking their mind. |
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| Netsky Australia. October 11 2011 16:01. Posts 1102 | Profile # |
On October 11 2011 15:09 0neder wrote:
I'd like to give you some feedback you probably weren't expecting. I hope you guys, IPL, and your competitors take it to heart. I know I will give definite preference to whoever does.
1. TURN OFF PROGRESS STATS BARS.
Existing stuff is fine, income is fine, just don't tell me what's going to happen in the future. It completely kills the excitement by about 300%. Don't tell me how behind someone is either. That kills the game instantly. Don't show the worker/unit tab.
2. To be honest, I don't expect amazing game knowledge, and I don't even really want it. Don't try to predict what will happen, just hype up what IS happening. Don't show skepticism of a strategy, give a player the benefit of the doubt and hype up his guts to give each variable more importance by cheesing.
I enjoy your casting in terms of delivery and excitement. Sometimes it feels a little fake, but overall you guys are good. Just give me uncertainty and excitement over omniscience and declarations that a game's over so I might as well stop watching.
Don't ever do this - I'd rather the other tabs didn't exist and all games always showed the production tab. I hate it when the observer shows any other tab.
Many casters don't understand what is going on in the game and unless there is a dedicated obs because of their poor game sense they miss drops, expos and tech switches. Production tab helps the viewer so much. |
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| Cubbieblue66 October 11 2011 16:02. Posts 92 | Profile # |
I have mostly praise, but a couple significant criticisms.
First and foremost I think it's important to say that I enjoy watching you two cast games. Both of you have likable personalities and it seems the two of you have clicked on a personal level, and it shows in your casting. I have no issues with your handling of sponsor shoutouts, your segways between matches, your excitement levels, or your technical knowledge of T or Z.
But it is somewhat obvious that neither of you knows P particularly well. Whereas when casting T and Z games you two will often put yourselves in a players shoes to describe how you might handle a situation, we hardly get that at all when watching P. It might do you some good to spend some more time off-racing.
The other criticism (and by far the most important one) I have is not related to live events, but rather all of the IPL casts leading up to the big event. Quite simply, you guys accidentally spoil the outcome of a match constantly. Painuser is more guilty of this than yourself, but it happens all the time... Seriously, go through a few weeks of broadcasts and check how many times you guys say "this is the final match" when it could have easily been extended had the other person won. And that's just the most blatant example... there's lots of other subtle word choices that constantly ruin outcomes. I truly believe it would be for the best if the two of you were not aware of the outcomes of matches before casting them.
All in all, I'm happy to have you two around. There are some rough edges that can be fixed with a few minor tweaks, but you two both have a good future in this. |
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| Netsky Australia. October 11 2011 16:05. Posts 1102 | Profile # |
Painuser - enjoy your casting, good game knowledge, doesn't try overly hard to crack awful jokes and gives good insight into what is going on.
HD - you seem like a nice guy and have a genuine interest for the game, but like many other casters your game knowledge is lacking. Also too many tryhard jokes...my recommendation would be to play alot more, watch more reps and VODs to learn the game. |
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 Hnnngg United States. October 11 2011 16:08. Posts 1065 | Profile # |
Aside from PU being PU (gas denying in PvP?!), this is one of the biggest offenses that I think is extremely easy to fix.
On October 08 2011 18:19 Jinsho wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 08 2011 10:55 Hnnngg wrote:
My first born son for HD and PU to never cast an Idra game again.
It's true. Very few casters have anything original to say when casting. Most of them are repeating stock phrases which sometimes don't describe the situation very well, and PainUser and HD unfortunately are the worst offenders, along with TB.
If you ever see a Tastosis or DayjWHEAT casting of an Idra game where he loses, they don't automatically go to, "OH MY FUNNY NUMBIE, IDRA JUST RAGEQUIT, HE COULD HAVE MADE A COMEBACK, HE GG'D TOO EARLY". Especially when White-Ra has enough resources to get 10 more colossus and Idra has 0 gas and no more bases.
The worst offense of HD+PU casting, and the easiest one to fix. Everything else would be up to opinion (yelling with a strategy game, some people like the frothing shoutcasting) or would take some dedication.
Husky actually got out of the rut of being a "bad" caster. I'm not sure if it was the partnership with Day9 or he changed something, but he seemed so much more cognitive with his casting. If I were you, I'd definitely ask him what he did right before that MLG. |
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| Ludwigvan Germany. October 11 2011 16:13. Posts 1912 | Profile Blog # |
I liked the casting quite a bit and i don't think your game knowledge is bad. There are just some facepalm moments, like mentioned earlier that you said how the lings give you mapcontrol, even though they did not have speed and there were hellions on the map. ^^ I am sure you'll find a way to get rid of these moments and focus on saying stuff that you know is 100% right.
PainUser has really great analysis. If he wants to improve, he could take some voice lessons, to make the tone of his voice a bit softer. It sometimes sounds a bit squeezed out (no offence, I don't know a better word to describe. sorry ^^). Overall well done.  Last edit: 2011-10-11 16:22:06 |
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| itkovian United States. October 11 2011 16:13. Posts 1591 | Profile Blog # |
You guys did fine, you had some good chemistry together. But though you were good, you were not my favorite pair to listen to.
I'll reiterate what has mostly been said: let PU do the analysis and stick to the play-by-play action since PU seems to have a better idea of the state of the game. Your excitement definitely adds positively to the cast, but tone it down in some parts. Your excitement sometimes feels overbearing especially in situations that have minor consequence and I feel like if you reel it back a bit it will be much better. |
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| gullberg Sweden. October 11 2011 16:13. Posts 1265 | Profile Blog # |
Painuser - Pretty straightforward solid casting, nice game knowledge and insight and all that shit.
HD... - You have passion I guess but it comes off really bad when you say something strategy-related and most of the time you're just wrong. Your game knowledge is pretty lacking. Maybe you should focus more on play by play and leave the analysis to painuser?
Both: Your jokes are terrible |
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| shinarit Hungary. October 11 2011 16:14. Posts 598 | Profile # |
| Well, i didnt watch the IPL, but from previous matches i can say Painuser is a great caster in terms of analysis, his voice is maybe not the best for the job though. You really miss many stuff and state the obvious, but do that with such enthusiasm it makes it all good. Style matter more than game knowledge, and god i have day9 style casters... |
| | T for BoxeR, Z for IdrA, P because i have no self-respect |
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| Elean October 11 2011 16:14. Posts 689 | Profile # |
I like the casting, but the observing could serously improve.
With a master player and an exprogamer, you should be able to watch the minimap not to miss anything.Last edit: 2011-10-11 16:15:57 |
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| 0neder United States. October 11 2011 16:16. Posts 3732 | Profile # |
On October 11 2011 15:13 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 15:09 0neder wrote:
I'd like to give you some feedback you probably weren't expecting. I hope you guys, IPL, and your competitors take it to heart. I know I will give definite preference to whoever does.
1. TURN OFF PROGRESS STATS BARS.
Existing stuff is fine, income is fine, just don't tell me what's going to happen in the future. It completely kills the excitement by about 300%. Don't tell me how behind someone is either. That kills the game instantly. Don't show the worker/unit tab.
2. To be honest, I don't expect amazing game knowledge, and I don't even really want it. Don't try to predict what will happen, just hype up what IS happening. Don't show skepticism of a strategy, give a player the benefit of the doubt and hype up his guts to give each variable more importance by cheesing.
I enjoy your casting in terms of delivery and excitement. Sometimes it feels a little fake, but overall you guys are good. Just give me uncertainty and excitement over omniscience and declarations that a game's over so I might as well stop watching.
Not everyone agrees with the progress bar being off. I seem to remember seeing a poll with it heavily favored to having it on
I have not seen such a poll, but if that is the case, then those people were wrong. It is a fact that uncertainty breeds excitement. I do not watch SC2 games so I can get a better rank in my bronze league by copying stuff I see. I watch it to be entertained and excited. |
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| GomJabbar United States. October 11 2011 16:19. Posts 161 | Profile # |
| I thought you guys were ok, not great. Painuser's Terran bias annoyed me a lot sometimes, overplaying how much skill and intelligence it takes to do certain builds for T and downplaying how difficult it is to deal with as the defender (1-1-1 all-in vs Protoss, for example). I found the casting of both HD and Painuser to be vey lackluster in any game involving a Protoss. They don't seem to understand the race at all and would just say wrong things. They clearly have no clue how PvP works. I suggest they look into it more. It also seemed like they weren't quite up to speed on new strategy trends, particularly Korean strategies. |
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| Hnnngg United States. October 11 2011 16:20. Posts 1065 | Profile # |
On October 11 2011 16:16 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 15:13 mrtomjones wrote:
On October 11 2011 15:09 0neder wrote:
I'd like to give you some feedback you probably weren't expecting. I hope you guys, IPL, and your competitors take it to heart. I know I will give definite preference to whoever does.
1. TURN OFF PROGRESS STATS BARS.
Existing stuff is fine, income is fine, just don't tell me what's going to happen in the future. It completely kills the excitement by about 300%. Don't tell me how behind someone is either. That kills the game instantly. Don't show the worker/unit tab.
2. To be honest, I don't expect amazing game knowledge, and I don't even really want it. Don't try to predict what will happen, just hype up what IS happening. Don't show skepticism of a strategy, give a player the benefit of the doubt and hype up his guts to give each variable more importance by cheesing.
I enjoy your casting in terms of delivery and excitement. Sometimes it feels a little fake, but overall you guys are good. Just give me uncertainty and excitement over omniscience and declarations that a game's over so I might as well stop watching.
Not everyone agrees with the progress bar being off. I seem to remember seeing a poll with it heavily favored to having it on
I have not seen such a poll, but if that is the case, then those people were wrong. It is a fact that uncertainty breeds excitement. I do not watch SC2 games so I can get a better rank in my bronze league by copying stuff I see. I watch it to be entertained and excited.
Ooops you're wrong.
http://news.yahoo.com/spoilers-dont-ruin-stories-films-study-155908841.html
I'd like to know how you get "entertained" or "excited" if you've already seen the match and you're watching it again. |
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| kingcoyote United States. October 11 2011 16:20. Posts 546 | Profile Blog # |
On October 11 2011 16:16 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 15:13 mrtomjones wrote:
On October 11 2011 15:09 0neder wrote:
I'd like to give you some feedback you probably weren't expecting. I hope you guys, IPL, and your competitors take it to heart. I know I will give definite preference to whoever does.
1. TURN OFF PROGRESS STATS BARS.
Existing stuff is fine, income is fine, just don't tell me what's going to happen in the future. It completely kills the excitement by about 300%. Don't tell me how behind someone is either. That kills the game instantly. Don't show the worker/unit tab.
2. To be honest, I don't expect amazing game knowledge, and I don't even really want it. Don't try to predict what will happen, just hype up what IS happening. Don't show skepticism of a strategy, give a player the benefit of the doubt and hype up his guts to give each variable more importance by cheesing.
I enjoy your casting in terms of delivery and excitement. Sometimes it feels a little fake, but overall you guys are good. Just give me uncertainty and excitement over omniscience and declarations that a game's over so I might as well stop watching.
Not everyone agrees with the progress bar being off. I seem to remember seeing a poll with it heavily favored to having it on
I have not seen such a poll, but if that is the case, then those people were wrong. It is a fact that uncertainty breeds excitement. I do not watch SC2 games so I can get a better rank in my bronze league by copying stuff I see. I watch it to be entertained and excited.
This confirms what I kinda suspected earlier. Just a troll. Move along.
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| sashkata Bulgaria. October 11 2011 16:21. Posts 1873 | Profile # |
I like how after the HDH HD sets out to become a better player and becomes a master lvl zerg (if i am not mistaken) even plays at an MLG, lost ofc but he played. Husky doesn't do that. -> Husky casts with Day9 at MLG and everyone praises him for how much he has improved, but HD gets the same stuff about lack of knowledge and bland statements. Not saying it's not true, but at least be consistent with those statements.
Actual feedback... don't know. I liked you both. Not my favorite casters, but you are better than the code A casters imo. |
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| worosei Australia. October 11 2011 16:22. Posts 119 | Profile # |
I have two main points to make;
The first is that I think what i'd rather hear are the little things that we miss out on in watching, or perhaps at least more specific details of what happened.
As a caster of a video, we can see what's happening, but might not necessarily understand the little details.
The general 'oh his zealots are at the back' or 'the concave is bad' i think you do manage to say, which is all well and good. But I think there exists another level of detail which you could go into; he pulled back to this part of the map which is beneficial/detrimental; he's choosing not to snipe the broodlords because xyz, he's playing a unit composition because he's hoping for xyz.
And then there are all these little small things that the pro-gamers do which really sets them apart, or at least have little habits that they do which you pick up; for example Stephano really likes to make use of his infested terrans and throws them often to soak tank splash before engaging, or for splash.
I guess that comes down to the whole 'know the game better.' The little intracies of the map, or the players, or the playstyles that helps us understand the finer nuances of what's happening.
The second thing is that I feel that people are often put off by you HD is that you tend to often act over the top. Gamers I find are a cynical bunch of folks, and I think dislike mass amounts of hyperbole as it feels like you're telling us that we should be excited. I guess you can compare Moletrap and Doa/Wolf in GSL code A. Moletrap is criticised of talking way to much, exaggerating everything. Doa and Wolf are more reserved. They break out their charm, but they dont do it in a way that seems to shove it in your face.
I think tastetosis is the exception because they have already won the viewers over and are celebrities in their own right. It's like when MC commentates; he doesnt say very much at all, but because he's MC we love him. Or imagine if Samuel L Jackson casted. He'd be bogshite crap, but cause it's Samuel L, i think we'd love him. Im not sure if you have quite the same rapport with the 'elite' sc2 watchers.
All the 'hip' speak and 'coolness' also doesnt work since most of us are nerds and dissociate with being 'cool' or at least revile it. Think Sheldon from Big Bang Theory. He's cool because he's not.
Else i give you huge props |
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| Logros Netherlands. October 11 2011 16:22. Posts 9728 | Profile # |
| Keep on improving! I'm not the biggest fan but I enjoyed the semi-finals and finals casts of IPL3. |
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| weishime October 11 2011 16:27. Posts 64 | Profile # |
Minimap HD look at the minimap. I only saw a few games but if you go review your casts of lucky vs stephano and lucky vs the slayers you can see that you missed stuff quite a bit. There was one situation where marines + tank were going into zerg base. Both you and painuser said you didn't think zerg was ready then you were like "where did those lings come from?!" but if you had been watching minimap  you would have seen him run out like 20 lings as soon as he saw the push coming I believe.
I couldn't tell if you guys were trying to give the audience a sense of dread but to anyone watching minimap it probably made you look bad.
Would say, stick to the play by play. Leave speculative analysis out of it for the pro/ex pro's or get practicing more. |
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