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| Seiferz United States. October 21 2011 12:36. Posts 624 | Profile # |
On October 21 2011 12:12 trulla wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 03:38 Xalorian wrote:
Or maybe... they want to show them how big the SC2 scene actually is in the west, as a subtile incentive tu make them switch later on?
Blizzard want the korean BW scene to die and want SC2 to grow more and more... there's not any BW games at blizzcon anymore. I can't understand why they would want to bring them at blizzcon just for fun.
BW in Korea >> SC2 in Korea > SC2 in the world... So.. how will they show them "how big the SC2 scene actually is in the west"...?
SC2 in the world is > SC2 in Korea judging by the numbers at MLG/IEM/IPL. |
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| randomKo_Orean Korea (South). October 21 2011 13:02. Posts 3552 | Profile Blog # |
On October 21 2011 12:36 Seiferz wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 12:12 trulla wrote:
On October 21 2011 03:38 Xalorian wrote:
Or maybe... they want to show them how big the SC2 scene actually is in the west, as a subtile incentive tu make them switch later on?
Blizzard want the korean BW scene to die and want SC2 to grow more and more... there's not any BW games at blizzcon anymore. I can't understand why they would want to bring them at blizzcon just for fun.
BW in Korea >> SC2 in Korea > SC2 in the world... So.. how will they show them "how big the SC2 scene actually is in the west"...?
SC2 in the world is > SC2 in Korea judging by the numbers at MLG/IEM/IPL.
MLG IEM IPL is held in North America/Europe. So no shit there's more people there than Koreans. |
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| masterbreti Korea (South). October 21 2011 13:11. Posts 2547 | Profile Blog # |
On October 21 2011 12:15 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 09:30 masterbreti wrote:
Look at the calender for blizzcon. on friday and saturday there is 2 one hour slots for "starcraft". since sc2 is clearly listed at starcraft 2. I think we know whats going to happen. Showmatches mainly.
Where are you finding these "starcraft" time slots on the calendar? I'm looking through the official schedule for Blizzcon, and all I can find are "Starcraft II Match #." Plus, there was that article in this thread a page back saying that Jaedong isn't expecting any scheduled matches. Unless this is all a conspiracy to confuse everyone into being confused.
firday around 1pm I think and on saturday 2:30 till 3:30 |
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| eviltomahawk United States. October 21 2011 13:15. Posts 8881 | Profile Blog # |
On October 21 2011 13:11 masterbreti wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 12:15 eviltomahawk wrote:
On October 21 2011 09:30 masterbreti wrote:
Look at the calender for blizzcon. on friday and saturday there is 2 one hour slots for "starcraft". since sc2 is clearly listed at starcraft 2. I think we know whats going to happen. Showmatches mainly.
Where are you finding these "starcraft" time slots on the calendar? I'm looking through the official schedule for Blizzcon, and all I can find are "Starcraft II Match #." Plus, there was that article in this thread a page back saying that Jaedong isn't expecting any scheduled matches. Unless this is all a conspiracy to confuse everyone into being confused.
firday around 1pm I think and on saturday 2:30 till 3:30
Oh, that's weird. Would you mind linking the source?
I'm looking at the official Blizzcon schedules, but they might be different from what you're looking at.
http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/event-info/schedule/friday-schedule
http://us.battle.net/blizzcon/en/event-info/schedule/saturday-schedule |
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 Silidons United States. October 21 2011 14:37. Posts 2785 | Profile Blog # |
On October 21 2011 04:57 Remfire wrote:
So has anyone heard of Starcraft Phoenix, on the release chart its listed. I heard a rumor these guys are invited for the showing of this game. Essentially it is a expansion on BW to just clean up the graphics while keeping game play the same. I think this could be really cool. Give some new life to an old game, what do you all think?
that would be really cool, but i kinda like the graphics in scbw i just wish i could run it @ higher rezLast edit: 2011-10-21 14:38:03 |
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| eviltomahawk United States. October 21 2011 15:14. Posts 8881 | Profile Blog # |
On October 21 2011 14:37 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 04:57 Remfire wrote:
So has anyone heard of Starcraft Phoenix, on the release chart its listed. I heard a rumor these guys are invited for the showing of this game. Essentially it is a expansion on BW to just clean up the graphics while keeping game play the same. I think this could be really cool. Give some new life to an old game, what do you all think?
that would be really cool, but i kinda like the graphics in scbw i just wish i could run it @ higher rez
I'm thinking that ideally, the "Starcraft Phoenix" would run on a derivative of the BW engine to preserve all the small bugs and quirks that are important at higher level play. However, the resolution would be higher (but possibly same zoom level), the sprites would be redone to look pretty and sharp, observer tools would be added, SC2-style matchmaking would be implemented for casual players, and the Windows Vista/7 color bugs would be eliminated forever. One can dream...
However, the OCD freak inside me feels that it would be better to announce a BW HD remake on 2013 or 2018, as 15 and 20 are prettier numbers to celebrate an anniversary.
edit: oh, and fix the official editor so that ramps are easier to make. I've had to rely on 3rd party editors and pre-made ramp templates whenever I try to mess around with BW mapmaking.
edit2: and better mod support would be nice. I'm still waiting on my Command and Conquer-Starcraft crossover mod/map.
edit3: and might as well make it free-to-play to attract a huge player base, funded by hat-based micro-transactions. Then implement a way to stream pro games in-game to this huge player base.
edit4: and it might be cool if they take the esports thing a level further by tying the micro-transaction currency with in-game betting on various pro matches. For example, let's say that a miracle happens and my bet that ACE beats SKT1 actually comes true. I suddenly have a bunch of Star-dollars that I can use to buy top-hats for my marines and a turtle skin for my CC. Crazy idea, sure, but one can dream...Last edit: 2011-10-21 16:11:20 |
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| hmmm... October 21 2011 16:21. Posts 629 | Profile # |
On October 20 2011 13:23 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 13:02 Fission wrote:
On October 20 2011 10:24 snakeeyez wrote:
Jaedongs skill would be wasted playing starcraft 2. He will lose occasional games to idra or stephano even though his skill is about 100 times greater but the skill ceiling of starcraft 2 will turn him into a mortal. No one like flash or jaedong will dominate a player like nestea or mvp its not possible. There is nothing more a player can do to out play mvp he plays the game nearly optimally aside from a small mistake that loses him the game. Its just build orders now everyone can stutter step and the other forms of micro in the game now.
You're hopelessly mistaken if you think we're anywhere near the skillcap of sc2 right now. We've hardly even seen what is possible yet, and every other day we see something totally new showcased that has everybody scratching their heads. This game is in its infancy, and it's just broodwar pessimists who are saying otherwise in order to try and de-legitimize it.
SC2 and BW fans treat skill ceiling as completely different. When BW fans say skill ceiling, they don't actually mean skill ceiling, its more like skill disparity. Although Jaedong would be brilliant in SC2 simply because he had a 80%+ ZvZ win-rate in what is the hardest matchup to play because of its coin-flip nature, he also has the best off-race play amongst pro-gamers, so he is a great all-rounder. That said, there is no muta-micro or defilers in SC2 and zerglings cannot be microed against marines. Without these 3 concepts, Jaedongs skill would be wasted, because it is his capitalisation of the usage of these concepts its what makes him so much more fun to watch than the other players. Jaedong would simply just be the next Nestea, instead of "The Tyrant" or "The Legend Killer". Same goes for Bisu without probe-micro, corsair/DT. Or Stork without Reavers or Carriers.
THIS.
obviously, no one in both sc2 and bw can play "perfectly", keeping your resources at 0 all the time, etc.
what's important is the disparity in game results per "unit" of talent/effort.
a lot of this comes down to how much of an effect do rock-scissor-paper builds have on the final outcome. sc2 is inherently more dependent on the initial build you choose to start out with compared to bw because sc2 has less room to make up for build losses via micro and plus everything dies much faster.
if sc2 made initial scouting faster and easier (or perhaps reduced the initial worker count), it would lessen this dependency on rock-scissor-paper builds since the sooner you are able to figure out the opponent's build, the more opportunity and time you have to adapt to the build or craft a strategy around the opponent's build.
this is also why terran is so powerful in sc2 because due to many reasons (such as being able to wall in), they are usually able to dictate the flow of the game with their starting build. idra also mentioned this and is one of the few things i would completely agree with him.
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| Niick Australia. October 21 2011 16:26. Posts 422 | Profile # |
On October 21 2011 12:12 trulla wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 03:38 Xalorian wrote:
Or maybe... they want to show them how big the SC2 scene actually is in the west, as a subtile incentive tu make them switch later on?
Blizzard want the korean BW scene to die and want SC2 to grow more and more... there's not any BW games at blizzcon anymore. I can't understand why they would want to bring them at blizzcon just for fun.
BW in Korea >> SC2 in Korea > SC2 in the world...So.. how will they show them "how big the SC2 scene actually is in the west"...?
O.o perhaps watch a foreign SC2 tournament one day |
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| DystopiaX United States. October 21 2011 16:46. Posts 10383 | Profile # |
On October 21 2011 16:26 Niick wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 12:12 trulla wrote:
On October 21 2011 03:38 Xalorian wrote:
Or maybe... they want to show them how big the SC2 scene actually is in the west, as a subtile incentive tu make them switch later on?
Blizzard want the korean BW scene to die and want SC2 to grow more and more... there's not any BW games at blizzcon anymore. I can't understand why they would want to bring them at blizzcon just for fun.
BW in Korea >> SC2 in Korea > SC2 in the world...So.. how will they show them "how big the SC2 scene actually is in the west"...?
O.o perhaps watch a foreign SC2 tournament one day
foreign SC2 tourneys occur once a month each. GSL happens almost every day. And you wonder why the audience is bigger for western tournaments? |
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| IntoTheEmo Singapore. October 21 2011 16:50. Posts 902 | Profile # |
So it's a meet only? No games? Just autographs and pictures?
I can see it now...
(Blizz employee dressed up as a casual fan): Omg guys autograph please!
*Gets all 4 of them*
(Blizz guy walks away): Muahahaha I have your signatures for our SC2 contracts now my prettiesss... Time to control ESPORTS...
Sorry  Last edit: 2011-10-21 16:51:39 |
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| J1.au Australia. October 21 2011 17:44. Posts 3533 | Profile Blog # |
On October 20 2011 13:23 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 13:02 Fission wrote:
On October 20 2011 10:24 snakeeyez wrote:
Jaedongs skill would be wasted playing starcraft 2. He will lose occasional games to idra or stephano even though his skill is about 100 times greater but the skill ceiling of starcraft 2 will turn him into a mortal. No one like flash or jaedong will dominate a player like nestea or mvp its not possible. There is nothing more a player can do to out play mvp he plays the game nearly optimally aside from a small mistake that loses him the game. Its just build orders now everyone can stutter step and the other forms of micro in the game now.
You're hopelessly mistaken if you think we're anywhere near the skillcap of sc2 right now. We've hardly even seen what is possible yet, and every other day we see something totally new showcased that has everybody scratching their heads. This game is in its infancy, and it's just broodwar pessimists who are saying otherwise in order to try and de-legitimize it.
SC2 and BW fans treat skill ceiling as completely different. When BW fans say skill ceiling, they don't actually mean skill ceiling, its more like skill disparity. Although Jaedong would be brilliant in SC2 simply because he had a 80%+ ZvZ win-rate in what is the hardest matchup to play because of its coin-flip nature, he also has the best off-race play amongst pro-gamers, so he is a great all-rounder. That said, there is no muta-micro or defilers in SC2 and zerglings cannot be microed against marines. Without these 3 concepts, Jaedongs skill would be wasted, because it is his capitalisation of the usage of these concepts its what makes him so much more fun to watch than the other players. Jaedong would simply just be the next Nestea, instead of "The Tyrant" or "The Legend Killer". Same goes for Bisu without probe-micro, corsair/DT. Or Stork without Reavers or Carriers.
Since when is Jaedong the best off-race player? Everything I've heard and seen suggests it's Flash. He's beaten both Jaedong and Bisu in off-race games, and has even beaten KT Zergs in ZvZ. |
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| Dakkas October 21 2011 20:03. Posts 2368 | Profile # |
On October 21 2011 17:44 J1.au wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 13:23 sluggaslamoo wrote:
On October 20 2011 13:02 Fission wrote:
On October 20 2011 10:24 snakeeyez wrote:
Jaedongs skill would be wasted playing starcraft 2. He will lose occasional games to idra or stephano even though his skill is about 100 times greater but the skill ceiling of starcraft 2 will turn him into a mortal. No one like flash or jaedong will dominate a player like nestea or mvp its not possible. There is nothing more a player can do to out play mvp he plays the game nearly optimally aside from a small mistake that loses him the game. Its just build orders now everyone can stutter step and the other forms of micro in the game now.
You're hopelessly mistaken if you think we're anywhere near the skillcap of sc2 right now. We've hardly even seen what is possible yet, and every other day we see something totally new showcased that has everybody scratching their heads. This game is in its infancy, and it's just broodwar pessimists who are saying otherwise in order to try and de-legitimize it.
SC2 and BW fans treat skill ceiling as completely different. When BW fans say skill ceiling, they don't actually mean skill ceiling, its more like skill disparity. Although Jaedong would be brilliant in SC2 simply because he had a 80%+ ZvZ win-rate in what is the hardest matchup to play because of its coin-flip nature, he also has the best off-race play amongst pro-gamers, so he is a great all-rounder. That said, there is no muta-micro or defilers in SC2 and zerglings cannot be microed against marines. Without these 3 concepts, Jaedongs skill would be wasted, because it is his capitalisation of the usage of these concepts its what makes him so much more fun to watch than the other players. Jaedong would simply just be the next Nestea, instead of "The Tyrant" or "The Legend Killer". Same goes for Bisu without probe-micro, corsair/DT. Or Stork without Reavers or Carriers.
Since when is Jaedong the best off-race player? Everything I've heard and seen suggests it's Flash. He's beaten both Jaedong and Bisu in off-race games, and has even beaten KT Zergs in ZvZ.
I think he meant among humans |
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| Tyree October 22 2011 00:47. Posts 1508 | Profile # |
Good for the guys to see America, i know for a fact Blizzard treats people they invite very well, nice hotels and they get to just relax at the event, enjoy the fame and be the stars that they are
But...no doubt they arent just invited for tee and crumpets here, either they are switching or...i really cant think of any other reason. Maybe Blizzard is using their expertise to design the new multiplayer units for HoTs, ie they serve as some sort of "council".
I still say they are switching, what other logical explanation could there be? There is no BW tournament being held or anything related to that game.
I hope its just a showmatch in BW, it would be nice if Blizzard threw a few of those with those megastars but i highly doubt it =/Last edit: 2011-10-22 00:49:18 |
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| Rostam United States. October 22 2011 01:30. Posts 2483 | Profile Blog # |
On October 22 2011 00:47 Tyree wrote:
Good for the guys to see America, i know for a fact Blizzard treats people they invite very well, nice hotels and they get to just relax at the event, enjoy the fame and be the stars that they are
But...no doubt they arent just invited for tee and crumpets here, either they are switching or...i really cant think of any other reason. Maybe Blizzard is using their expertise to design the new multiplayer units for HoTs, ie they serve as some sort of "council".
I still say they are switching, what other logical explanation could there be? There is no BW tournament being held or anything related to that game.
I hope its just a showmatch in BW, it would be nice if Blizzard threw a few of those with those megastars but i highly doubt it =/
They're not switching, don't be ridiculous. These caliber of players have nothing to gain by switching. |
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| excal Canada. October 22 2011 02:09. Posts 128 | Profile # |
| Jangbi and jaedong spotted! Jangbi is in his samsung jacket and jaedong is in a black leather jacket! Got jaedong to sign my hwaseung shirt!!! Still looking for fantasy and bisu |
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| e_i_pi_1_0 October 22 2011 02:11. Posts 933 | Profile # |
On October 22 2011 02:09 excal wrote:
Jangbi and jaedong spotted! Jangbi is in his samsung jacket and jaedong is in a black leather jacket! Got jaedong to sign my hwaseung shirt!!! Still looking for fantasy and bisu
Did you get pictures with them?
I'm so jealous of those of you who are there. |
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| rainei Canada. October 22 2011 02:15. Posts 1308 | Profile # |
| OMFG SO JELLY I HATE YOU. I want to meet Jaedong |
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| Kal_rA United States. October 22 2011 02:48. Posts 2438 | Profile Blog # |
On October 22 2011 02:15 rainei wrote:OMFG SO JELLY I HATE YOU. I want to meet Jaedong
AHHH! I was just about to write this EXACT same comment!!! <3 Lee Jaedong |
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| Seiferz United States. October 22 2011 02:59. Posts 624 | Profile # |
On October 21 2011 16:46 DystopiaX wrote:
Show nested quote +On October 21 2011 16:26 Niick wrote:
On October 21 2011 12:12 trulla wrote:
On October 21 2011 03:38 Xalorian wrote:
Or maybe... they want to show them how big the SC2 scene actually is in the west, as a subtile incentive tu make them switch later on?
Blizzard want the korean BW scene to die and want SC2 to grow more and more... there's not any BW games at blizzcon anymore. I can't understand why they would want to bring them at blizzcon just for fun.
BW in Korea >> SC2 in Korea > SC2 in the world...So.. how will they show them "how big the SC2 scene actually is in the west"...?
O.o perhaps watch a foreign SC2 tournament one day
foreign SC2 tourneys occur once a month each. GSL happens almost every day. And you wonder why the audience is bigger for western tournaments?
The larger western audience isn't because of some logical fallacy like that. The western world just seems to like sc2 a lot more than Korea does right now, probably because BW is still going strong. |
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 Kiett United States. October 22 2011 03:37. Posts 3581 | Profile Blog # |
On October 22 2011 02:09 excal wrote:
Jangbi and jaedong spotted! Jangbi is in his samsung jacket and jaedong is in a black leather jacket! Got jaedong to sign my hwaseung shirt!!! Still looking for fantasy and bisu
Mmmm, black leather. I like.
So what are they doing? Just hanging around being pimps, or do they have anything scheduled? |
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