[Patch 1.0.0.127: Graves] General Discussion - Page 172

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On November 01 2011 06:54 MoonBear wrote:
I won't go into too much detail regarding what is acceptable and not acceptable regarding the Tribunal. However, so long as you weren't intentionally trying to ruin someone's game and was trying, it generally shows and you should not be penalised by the community for it. There is Riot audits that get carried out to ensure quality so you should never be banned/suspended for wrongful reporting. You might get a warning, but generally that's more of a "Hey, try to follow the Summoner's Code a bit better, thanks!" sort of thing rather than an actual punishment.

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On November 01 2011 07:05 Logrus wrote:
CDR Ashe is the 'Shushei Lucky Build" that he claims to have 'never lost with'

runes/masteries is Chauster's normal Ashe setup: arpen/armor/mr/move, 15/0/15, boots 3

the last 3x ranked games I picked ashe as a bot ranged AD and my support ended up as a retarded/troll who didnt take cv, went ap, and roamed instead of support, or all three. In all these games i was forced to play a 'support ashe' type style if I wanted to get any cs or have any vision of anything. I won the first two games and just barely lost the third. In every game there was the one idiot (usually the ap janna that forced me to build this way) going 'fucknoob Ashe get real items (says triple doran + aa + roa Janna with flash ignite) and the rest of the team going 'stfu Janna buy some wards, Ashe only reason we haven't lost yet'

what i been doing is this:
boots+3 -> (optional philo) -> bruta -> cdr boot + long sword -> finish manamune -> zeal
is ur core
then u get BF -> BT -> finish PD -> get 2nd PD
sell brut/philo when u want/need room

this is not the Ashe you want to play when your team needs a heavy hitting crit burster
this is a Ashe that has less damage but virtually infinite mana which really really does wonders for letting u spam uber w poke and then perma slow q but still have that 150 mana for ur really short cooldown ult.

#1 reason to play this: fun as hell

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On November 01 2011 07:05 Logrus wrote:
CDR Ashe is the 'Shushei Lucky Build" that he claims to have 'never lost with'

runes/masteries is Chauster's normal Ashe setup: arpen/armor/mr/move, 15/0/15, boots 3

the last 3x ranked games I picked ashe as a bot ranged AD and my support ended up as a retarded/troll who didnt take cv, went ap, and roamed instead of support, or all three. In all these games i was forced to play a 'support ashe' type style if I wanted to get any cs or have any vision of anything. I won the first two games and just barely lost the third. In every game there was the one idiot (usually the ap janna that forced me to build this way) going 'fucknoob Ashe get real items (says triple doran + aa + roa Janna with flash ignite) and the rest of the team going 'stfu Janna buy some wards, Ashe only reason we haven't lost yet'

what i been doing is this:
boots+3 -> (optional philo) -> bruta -> cdr boot + long sword -> finish manamune -> zeal
is ur core
then u get BF -> BT -> finish PD -> get 2nd PD
sell brut/philo when u want/need room

this is not the Ashe you want to play when your team needs a heavy hitting crit burster
this is a Ashe that has less damage but virtually infinite mana which really really does wonders for letting u spam uber w poke and then perma slow q but still have that 150 mana for ur really short cooldown ult.

#1 reason to play this: fun as hell

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On November 01 2011 07:16 DoXa wrote:


thanks for your advice!
I play normals right now, only have ~150 games won, i don't feel like i'm ready to play ranked.
And in solo q normals i often have no support or one that doesnt know what a support is supposed to do. Looks like a good build i'll try out

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On November 01 2011 06:41 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
cdr ashe isn't bad, but it doesn't do as much damage as an IE build so it's suboptimal. I could see it being preferred in a poke composition, but your job as the ad carry is generally to output as much damage as possible which means IE is better.

If you're having mana issues philo is the way to go if you don't need max mana. Ghostblade has a great mix of stats for volley ashe as well.

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On November 01 2011 07:43 spinesheath wrote:
That's not CDR Ashe. That's the Shushei-feasting-on-bads build.
CDR Ashe doesn't go Manamune. It's a combination of runes/masteries/bruta/ghostblade/CDRboots/reverie into IE/BT/LW.

CDR Ashe works best against squishy teams, like double AP setups. If the enemy has a tanky DPS afkfarming top you shouldn't even try it. Also discouraged against Rammus.
Against squishy teams however, it's AMAZING. Better than IE builds, trust me.

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On November 01 2011 07:49 Logrus wrote:


I dunno a lot of people seem to think this, but I was always under the impression that the reason to have a ranged AD at all is to be able to comfortably melt towers from range while your team pressures.

Doing metric shittons of damage is often times an ENABLER for that but I've had plenty of games where it was the pokes from volley and threat of arrow that kept the enemy team from engaging at their tower, and I coulda had 200 ad instead of 400 ad and it wouldn't have mattered.

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On November 01 2011 07:57 Logrus wrote:


without manamune the cdr build has the same problem as it does on every champ, you oom yourself incredibly fast.

imo Ashe ult mana cost in particular is a large percentage of her pretty small mana pool, and if u want to actually spam w for poke on cooldown while also taking advantage of free frozen mallet with q (so mana intensive!), you will never ever ever have the mana for your ult when you need it, which can totally throw the game (oh shit did u guys want me to arrow in that fight? Sorry, i was oom from spamming volley)

Manamune really doesn't look that impressive on paper re mathcraft but when you TRY it... there's something about it... it's hard for me to put into words...
like, many champs are balanced on mana costs. Sion stun is powerful but its like 50% of his mana bar. If u take away those costs...
or said in a different way, there's been plenty of times where what made the difference in a fight was having the mana to volley and perma slow and not the 40 more damage I'd have had if i got a bf sword instead

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On November 01 2011 07:47 zulu_nation8 wrote:
been ragequeuing for the past two days, lose 100 elo np

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On November 01 2011 07:57 Logrus wrote:


without manamune the cdr build has the same problem as it does on every champ, you oom yourself incredibly fast.

imo Ashe ult mana cost in particular is a large percentage of her pretty small mana pool, and if u want to actually spam w for poke on cooldown while also taking advantage of free frozen mallet with q (so mana intensive!), you will never ever ever have the mana for your ult when you need it, which can totally throw the game (oh shit did u guys want me to arrow in that fight? Sorry, i was oom from spamming volley)

Manamune really doesn't look that impressive on paper re mathcraft but when you TRY it... there's something about it... it's hard for me to put into words...
like, many champs are balanced on mana costs. Sion stun is powerful but its like 50% of his mana bar. If u take away those costs...
or said in a different way, there's been plenty of times where what made the difference in a fight was having the mana to volley and perma slow and not the 40 more damage I'd have had if i got a bf sword instead

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On November 01 2011 08:02 spinesheath wrote:

I have played enough CDR Ashe to know what I am talking about. Yeah sure, you have to manage your mana. But you're playing a ranged AD and not a caster. Don't you know that ranged ADs are supposed to manage their mana more carefully than casters?

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On November 01 2011 08:04 JackDino wrote:
Ranged ADs are supposed to right click, fuck mana.

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