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Hey all, I'm currently looking for a new monitor as my 32inch TV is starting to die (Just over a year old) due to a minor indecent that has slowly been killing it. I know what I want but I'm having trouble finding something, and something good at that. Most sites don't have enough searching filters, so I sift through a lot of junk, looking for a helping hand.
What its going to be used for - Gaming 90% of the time. Work and movies otherwise.
What I need - LED - 1080p resolution - HDMI port
What I want - Size anywhere from 19-32, pretty open about this. My current TV is 32 inch and I love it, but I'm on a stricter budget this time around so 32 may be too expensive. - A second HDMI port for my PS3, not required. - 5ms response time wouldn't hurt .
Things I'm not sure about - 60hz vs 120hz I don't know much about this. 120hz = max 120fps? If so, then not a bad idea!
What I'm not looking for - Anything other than 1080p. No 720p or 2560 x 1440 - Something costing more than $600 - Toshiba (Don't ask)
Thanks in advance for any helpers! Its a long list of wants and needs and I've never been good at reviewing items to pick the best one.
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I reccommend getting a reasonably priced ips monitor such as ulltrasharp series from dell, I've really grown fond on the ips panel myself, never going back to standard tn-panel monitor
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you don't need to be spending extra money on 3d monitors and 120hz seemingly does look "smoother" but most people don't notice the difference. still up to you to decide whether you want it or not
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Samsung PX2370.
I had this monitor since the first day it came out, so far the best monitor I ever had or owned. Monitor is roughly 1 year 6 months old and the colors are still like how it is day 1. Do a little homework on it, I read through a lot of reviews and testing sites and blogs, and the results for the monitor came back awesome.
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On October 25 2011 06:51 AndyBear wrote:Hey all, I'm currently looking for a new monitor as my 32inch TV is starting to die (Just over a year old) due to a minor indecent that has slowly been killing it. I know what I want but I'm having trouble finding something, and something good at that. Most sites don't have enough searching filters, so I sift through a lot of junk, looking for a helping hand. What its going to be used for - Gaming 90% of the time. Work and movies otherwise. What I need- LED - 1080p resolution - HDMI port What I want- Size anywhere from 19-32, pretty open about this. My current TV is 32 inch and I love it, but I'm on a stricter budget this time around so 32 may be too expensive. - A second HDMI port for my PS3, not required. - 5ms response time wouldn't hurt . Things I'm not sure about- 60hz vs 120hz I don't know much about this. 120hz = max 120fps? If so, then not a bad idea! What I'm not looking for- Anything other than 1080p. No 720p or 2560 x 1440 - Something costing more than $600 - Toshiba (Don't ask) Thanks in advance for any helpers! Its a long list of wants and needs and I've never been good at reviewing items to pick the best one.
I would personally recommend 120hz monitors. If your video card is good enough and can run games higher than 60 fps, you can definitely tell the difference; At least I can. It's just way smoother overall.
Samsung S27A750D
Samsung S27A950D
These 2 monitors are the ones I would recommend which matches your criteria. A lot of people choose them due to the fact that they are 120hz monitors, and not for their 3D capabilities, though it's a plus if you're into that stuff. They are also among the few largest 120hz monitors on the market. Computer monitors for conventional use only goes up to 30", and there are no 120hz 30" monitors as of yet.
Both monitors are: - LED - True 1080p resolution (1920x1080) - Only 2ms response time. Very good for gaming. - Supports HDMI
As for the differences aside from the look, I suggest you to google and look up some reviews. The 950D is obviously the best, but it is also a bit over your budget, so it's your call; My co-worker got one, and it's really stunning. Another thing to note is that the 750D does not have a DVI port and the 950D does.
Side note, being 120hz is a requirement for all 3D monitors.
Hope this helps.
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I don't really recommend 27" TNs...pixel pitch is massive so image quality is somewhat poor and the screen is so large and viewing angles are so limited so you'll probably get some sort of colour shift. The 23" version of the 950D looks far better because the pixel pitch is far smaller and you don't get any annoying colour shifting.
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On October 25 2011 09:48 Womwomwom wrote: I don't really recommend 27" TNs...pixel pitch is massive so image quality is somewhat poor and the screen is so large and viewing angles are so limited so you'll probably get some sort of colour shift. The 23" version of the 950D looks far better because the pixel pitch is far smaller and you don't get any annoying colour shifting.
Normally, that is the case, but TN panels has been catching up a lot over the years, and they're also slightly different with LED models. I've seen the 27" 950D in action, and its really good, no color issues at all. Plus, the OP is using a 32" HDTV as a monitor, so if there are any color shifting issues like you mentioned, it can only get better
The 23" version does fall into his budget range however.
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I have a Samsung Syncmaster BX 2450L 24". It has all the features you want: 1920x1080 2 HDMI 2 ms LED (it´s super slim)
And it only costs around 200 bugs. I really can´t say anything bad about it.
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On October 25 2011 10:28 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 09:48 Womwomwom wrote: I don't really recommend 27" TNs...pixel pitch is massive so image quality is somewhat poor and the screen is so large and viewing angles are so limited so you'll probably get some sort of colour shift. The 23" version of the 950D looks far better because the pixel pitch is far smaller and you don't get any annoying colour shifting. Normally, that is the case, but TN panels has been catching up a lot over the years, and they're also slightly different with LED models. I've seen the 27" 950D in action, and its really good, no color issues at all. Plus, the OP is using a 32" HDTV as a monitor, so if there are any color shifting issues like you mentioned, it can only get better The 23" version does fall into his budget range however.
A 32" HDTV most likely is not using a TN panel, so that's not a valid argument with respect to color shifting.
However, this probably means that super-low response time and super-low input lag are not essential, considering what the OP is accustomed to. I would likewise say that you didn't address the pixel pitch issue, but considering that he was using 32" 1080p before, 27" 1080p is probably not a problem either.
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ive been using dell ultrasharps u2410 and have nothing but amazing thigns to say about it, it's more than 1080p, IPS, with some of the best color in the industry in its price range and then some.
ive had mine for 2 years and had them calibrated about a month ago and they had barely shifted.
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On October 25 2011 10:48 Myrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 10:28 Fishball wrote:On October 25 2011 09:48 Womwomwom wrote: I don't really recommend 27" TNs...pixel pitch is massive so image quality is somewhat poor and the screen is so large and viewing angles are so limited so you'll probably get some sort of colour shift. The 23" version of the 950D looks far better because the pixel pitch is far smaller and you don't get any annoying colour shifting. Normally, that is the case, but TN panels has been catching up a lot over the years, and they're also slightly different with LED models. I've seen the 27" 950D in action, and its really good, no color issues at all. Plus, the OP is using a 32" HDTV as a monitor, so if there are any color shifting issues like you mentioned, it can only get better The 23" version does fall into his budget range however. A 32" HDTV most likely is not using a TN panel, so that's not a valid argument with respect to color shifting. However, this probably means that super-low response time and super-low input lag are not essential, considering what the OP is accustomed to. I would likewise say that you didn't address the pixel pitch issue, but considering that he was using 32" 1080p before, 27" 1080p is probably not a problem either.
I admit I have limited knowledge on LCD HDTV panel types, but from searching around, there is a fair amount of HDTVs that uses TN panels. OP stated he would be using the monitor for gaming 90% of the time, so low response time and low input lag would definitely benefit him, regardless of what he is accustomed to. I personally use a 32" LCD HDTV myself as my computer monitor, and I have no complaints. Even you mentioned, if one is picky with the pixels, going from 32" to 27" will likely be better while using the same resolution.
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Well, I can't say for anyone else but I just bought an ASUS VE2786Q and it hasn't failed me yet. I haven't tried out the HDMI feature, but DVI is good. It also has a ton of connections at a reasonable price. Got 2ms and all the other standard stuff. My only problem is that it isn't 1920x1200 considering it is 27".
EDIT: I should say that this is still a work monitor primarily, so I do like the bigger pitch. Also, I'm not exactly someone to pick apart 2 different colours on screen.
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On October 25 2011 12:47 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 10:48 Myrmidon wrote:On October 25 2011 10:28 Fishball wrote:On October 25 2011 09:48 Womwomwom wrote: I don't really recommend 27" TNs...pixel pitch is massive so image quality is somewhat poor and the screen is so large and viewing angles are so limited so you'll probably get some sort of colour shift. The 23" version of the 950D looks far better because the pixel pitch is far smaller and you don't get any annoying colour shifting. Normally, that is the case, but TN panels has been catching up a lot over the years, and they're also slightly different with LED models. I've seen the 27" 950D in action, and its really good, no color issues at all. Plus, the OP is using a 32" HDTV as a monitor, so if there are any color shifting issues like you mentioned, it can only get better The 23" version does fall into his budget range however. A 32" HDTV most likely is not using a TN panel, so that's not a valid argument with respect to color shifting. However, this probably means that super-low response time and super-low input lag are not essential, considering what the OP is accustomed to. I would likewise say that you didn't address the pixel pitch issue, but considering that he was using 32" 1080p before, 27" 1080p is probably not a problem either. I admit I have limited knowledge on LCD HDTV panel types, but from searching around, there is a fair amount of HDTVs that uses TN panels. OP stated he would be using the monitor for gaming 90% of the time, so low response time and low input lag would definitely benefit him, regardless of what he is accustomed to. I personally use a 32" LCD HDTV myself as my computer monitor, and I have no complaints. Even you mentioned, if one is picky with the pixels, going from 32" to 27" will likely be better while using the same resolution.
Low response time doesn't mean anything. When its that low, it will be using overdrive of some sort. What matters is how well the overdrive is applied, which cannot be quantified by any value...which is why price/performance/spec comparisons never tell the whole story in any situation. So when someone says so and so has 2ms response times, it doesn't mean much if its reverse ghosting all the time (BenQ's XL2410t suffers from overdrive overshooting if you turn overdrive on).
If you want a monitor with literally no input lag and minimal ghosting, the IPS-based Dell U2312HM is amusingly better than a lot of monitors that claim to be for gamers. Only problems are that you might hate its anti-glare and its pretty expensive if you can't get hold of some Dell discount coupons or know anyone who can take part in their Employee, Student & Member Purchase Program.
Most good TVs I know generally use some form of VA (huge static contrast, awesome black depth) or IPS (rich colours, good viewing angles) - input lag is a non-issue for TVs so they don't go out of their way to lower it. The cheapass TVs within his budget that use TN panels are generally pretty awful to look at, especially when to compare them to similarly priced computer monitors. I dunno, North American pricing might be different but you're paying at least $1,000 for a good TV in Australia.
Anyway, the Samsung 950D owns so hard for a 120hz monitor...not so much as a 3D monitor. I've seen both the 27" and its little brother and I reckon the 23" inch is still a lot better. No colour shift and tighter pixels means the image quality is better and there isn't any vertical colour shift...TN panels have improved a lot but 27" inch TN panels are still inferior when compared to their smaller brethren.
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On October 25 2011 13:47 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 12:47 Fishball wrote:On October 25 2011 10:48 Myrmidon wrote:On October 25 2011 10:28 Fishball wrote:On October 25 2011 09:48 Womwomwom wrote: I don't really recommend 27" TNs...pixel pitch is massive so image quality is somewhat poor and the screen is so large and viewing angles are so limited so you'll probably get some sort of colour shift. The 23" version of the 950D looks far better because the pixel pitch is far smaller and you don't get any annoying colour shifting. Normally, that is the case, but TN panels has been catching up a lot over the years, and they're also slightly different with LED models. I've seen the 27" 950D in action, and its really good, no color issues at all. Plus, the OP is using a 32" HDTV as a monitor, so if there are any color shifting issues like you mentioned, it can only get better The 23" version does fall into his budget range however. A 32" HDTV most likely is not using a TN panel, so that's not a valid argument with respect to color shifting. However, this probably means that super-low response time and super-low input lag are not essential, considering what the OP is accustomed to. I would likewise say that you didn't address the pixel pitch issue, but considering that he was using 32" 1080p before, 27" 1080p is probably not a problem either. I admit I have limited knowledge on LCD HDTV panel types, but from searching around, there is a fair amount of HDTVs that uses TN panels. OP stated he would be using the monitor for gaming 90% of the time, so low response time and low input lag would definitely benefit him, regardless of what he is accustomed to. I personally use a 32" LCD HDTV myself as my computer monitor, and I have no complaints. Even you mentioned, if one is picky with the pixels, going from 32" to 27" will likely be better while using the same resolution. Low response time doesn't mean anything. When its that low, it will be using overdrive of some sort. What matters is how well the overdrive is applied, which cannot be quantified by any value...which is why price/performance/spec comparisons never tell the whole story in any situation. So when someone says so and so has 2ms response times, it doesn't mean much if its reverse ghosting all the time (BenQ's XL2410t suffers from overdrive overshooting if you turn overdrive on). If you want a monitor with literally no input lag and minimal ghosting, the IPS-based Dell U2312HM is amusingly better than a lot of monitors that claim to be for gamers. Only problems are that you might hate its anti-glare and its pretty expensive if you can't get hold of some Dell discount coupons or know anyone who can take part in their Employee, Student & Member Purchase Program. Most good TVs I know generally use some form of VA (huge static contrast, awesome black depth) or IPS (rich colours, good viewing angles) - input lag is a non-issue for TVs so they don't go out of their way to lower it. The cheapass TVs within his budget that use TN panels are generally pretty awful to look at, especially when to compare them to similarly priced computer monitors. I dunno, North American pricing might be different but you're paying at least $1,000 for a good TV in Australia. Anyway, the Samsung 950D owns so hard for a 120hz monitor...not so much as a 3D monitor. I've seen both the 27" and its little brother and I reckon the 23" inch is still a lot better. No colour shift and tighter pixels means the image quality is better and there isn't any vertical colour shift...TN panels have improved a lot but 27" inch TN panels are still inferior when compared to their smaller brethren.
Well, if you're going deeper into technical discussions, I don't have much to add, and that wasn't really my point in the very first place, which you and Myrmidon were picking on. All that I did was to make it easy and sincerely recommended the 950D to the OP, which is a great 120hz monitor and I'm glad that you agree. I even told the OP to look up some reviews for more details, which would have covered the rest, regarding the technical aspects and performance of the monitor. No, low response time doesn't necessary mean less ghosting 100% of the time, you are absolutely right; I should have clarified that my replies were mainly referring to the 950D, which I already know how it performs. Afterall, I'm trying to sell him this product
No, I don't get any commission.
Quoted from the link below:
In terms of 120hz performance, in the fastest mode the S27A950D is easily one of the fastest monitors out there. For console gamers the S27A950D is the 2nd fastest monitor I have tested. There is a slight dark trail in the PixerPixAn 60hz image compared to the faint ghosting seen on the LG W2442PA. I have not posted the 60hz Digital Versus test results, however the 950D performs essentially the same as the Samsung S27A550H. Some slight over drive errors can be observed.
The Samsung S27A950D is extremely fast in operating in both 120hz and 60hz frequencies. The LG W2442PA is a tincy bit faster in terms of 60hz, still this is nothing to be ashamed of because the performance is extremely good.
Now these motion testing programs aren't a true indication in terms of responsiveness due to the specific colors being used. Different monitors ghost with different colors, and the colors in the test programs are rather low contrast and won't really ever been seen in movies and gaming.
I played Bad Company 2, Left 4 Dead 2, Dead Rising 2, Killzone 3 and Read Dead Redemption. I could not find any ghosting in 120hz or 60hz. One thing I can, say just by looking at the test images is that 60hz, is with low contrast sub-hd console games like Call of Duty and Divinity II there will be a tincy bit of ghosting as the performance seemed identical to the S27A550H, which I saw ghosting on in these games. So if you like to play sub-HD garbage like Call of Duty, prepare to see a tincy amount of ghosting. This does not change the fact that the 950 is extremely fast and only the most hardcore of hardcore gamers will be able to spot any ghosting in 60hz.
http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/gadgetry-electronics-discussion/8220-samsung-s27a950d-review.html
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On October 25 2011 12:47 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 10:48 Myrmidon wrote:On October 25 2011 10:28 Fishball wrote:On October 25 2011 09:48 Womwomwom wrote: I don't really recommend 27" TNs...pixel pitch is massive so image quality is somewhat poor and the screen is so large and viewing angles are so limited so you'll probably get some sort of colour shift. The 23" version of the 950D looks far better because the pixel pitch is far smaller and you don't get any annoying colour shifting. Normally, that is the case, but TN panels has been catching up a lot over the years, and they're also slightly different with LED models. I've seen the 27" 950D in action, and its really good, no color issues at all. Plus, the OP is using a 32" HDTV as a monitor, so if there are any color shifting issues like you mentioned, it can only get better The 23" version does fall into his budget range however. A 32" HDTV most likely is not using a TN panel, so that's not a valid argument with respect to color shifting. However, this probably means that super-low response time and super-low input lag are not essential, considering what the OP is accustomed to. I would likewise say that you didn't address the pixel pitch issue, but considering that he was using 32" 1080p before, 27" 1080p is probably not a problem either. I admit I have limited knowledge on LCD HDTV panel types, but from searching around, there is a fair amount of HDTVs that uses TN panels. OP stated he would be using the monitor for gaming 90% of the time, so low response time and low input lag would definitely benefit him, regardless of what he is accustomed to. I personally use a 32" LCD HDTV myself as my computer monitor, and I have no complaints. Even you mentioned, if one is picky with the pixels, going from 32" to 27" will likely be better while using the same resolution.
That's a mistake on my part then. I'd forgotten that the cheapest models still use TN, which is generally a bad idea for an actual TV unless everybody watching is mostly in front (and not at a weird angle and not from below, which is common in many arrangements).
edit: anyway, agreed that somebody looking for 90% gaming usage should really look at some of the better 120 Hz monitors.
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Oh right sorry for the derail, looks like we all agree: the 950D owns pretty hard. Shame it doesn't use nVidia's 3D vision technology because that 3rd party option that works with AMD cards kind of blows
If you want some of that 3D, and have an nVidia card, you could wait for some of those new 120hz monitors to come out and work with 3D Vision 2.0 (or something).
If his budget was a bit higher, the Sony HMZ-T1 might be an interesting option since a lot of people think its amazing shit. I wouldn't be surprised, OLEDs have mad good contrast and black depth (colours too if they aren't oversaturated like the ones on Samsung phones). No idea how it actually works though.
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To the OP: the Samsung S27A950D is the best 27" monitor to suit your needs. The advantages are that it has a 120Hz refresh rate, real 2ms response time and excellent color reproduction . It's definitely the best 27" monitor for gaming.
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Thanks for all your input!! I will look into all these monitors . Big hug to TL.
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