TL interviews Dustin Browder at Blizzcon

On October 25 2011 19:10 Toadvine wrote:

On October 25 2011 18:50 m0ck wrote:

On October 25 2011 18:43 Micket wrote:

On October 25 2011 18:11 Toadvine wrote:
Well, at least Browder's sincere in the "you should go back to Brood War if you don't like this" statements, always nice to see the PR bullshit dropped for a bit. Still, it's really worrying that he doesn't see any major problems with the current design of the game. Both Protoss and Zerg look like ticking time-bombs, with Protoss having the possibility to be completely awful come HotS, and Zerg being insanely oveprowered with their new stuff.

I also don't like his way of dealing with the "deathball" problem. You should do that by introducing more harassment opportunities and units that work well in small numbers, so having all your shit in one place actually becomes a bad idea. Not by designing units that CAN'T be used in an army, like Shredders or Oracles.

On October 25 2011 13:45 Raiznhell wrote:
Honestly there's too much whining about Terran specifically. Like honestly aside from Code S no other tournament is very Terran heavy AT ALL. Also nobody points to the fact that Code S has a lot of issues with routing bad players out of Code S and getting good players in. The whole tournament system pre-Ro16 is entirely flawed.

Just look at how Code S became filled with Terran in the first place. Because Code A got stacked with Good players that belonged in Code S like MMA, Ganzi, Mvp and Bomber to name a few. They all climbed their way into Code S however due to the flaw of up and downs not all the bad players were routed out.

But now look at Code A full of Zerg and Protoss who are all going to make their shot for Code S and is now also getting refilled by more Protoss and Zerg specifically 4 foreigner Protoss and Zerg players and what do you think is going to happen? Code S may start to balance out or even become dry of Terrans.

People Jump on the hate train way too fast and never have patience. Look at MLG Orlando, IEM, IPL and now the Korean Weekly. All going to have Protoss and Zerg Champions and not even have Terran make it to the finals. No good Terrans some have said? WHAT? PuMA, Bomber, TheSTC, forGG (who's playing fantastically) Taeja? all not good Terrans? Get outta here.

Another thing to touch on is look at BW. 99% of players would argue that BW is almost completely balanced and is the most balanced game in the world involving 3+race/faction differential. Yet still....guess what Terran is pretty damn dominant. Protoss and Zergs catch their time every now and then but for the most part you would see Fantasy or Flash or going way back BoxeR, NaDa, OOV even lesser Terrans like Midas dominate a ton.

There was a point in BW where Terran literally seemed unbeatable until eventually someone who figure one little thing out. Yet in SC2 everyone points to Terran being imba when the only real Tournament Terran is seeing a lot of success in is Code S which again is only Terran heavy due to Code A being filled with Z and P right now and a flawed up and down system.

I guarantee you that is a player in SC2 loses a game in the current state it's because he deserved to and he could have won had he played better.

I read stuff like this, and I marvel at how good the human mind is at lying to itself. You probably really believe this to be sound reasoning, which is a bit depressing. But hey, anything is better than admitting that Terran is too good, because that would hurt the precious egos of Terran players who lose to Zerg and Protoss on the ladder.

I mean, come on. There are 19 Terrans in Code S because "there just happened to be awesome Terran players in Code A"? I guess you're one of the people who believe that there are 15 top5 Terrans in Code S, and that they all deserve their spots because of how amazing they are.

I don't even especially think ZvT is especially imbalanced, although it's way easier for an inferior Terran to beat a better Zerg than vice versa. However, to think Protoss is fine from their results in major tournaments and from watching how the games play out requires an amazing amount of denial.

I mean, wow, Protoss actually got Top2 in a tournament with no good ZvPer, and with most of the PvTs having one player cheese or just do retarded crap (like Bomber's "hidden expo" vs Sase on Shakuras or MKP's "24 Marines with no upgrades and 0 bunkers vs 6 Gate"). Awesome. All the while, even with all the "new Protoss hopes" in Code A, we still have 5 Protoss in Code S next season, and that's only because of MC getting a spot from Orlando.

And bringing up BW as an analogy is just so disingenuous. BW had long periods of one race dominating a given matchup, yes, but it wasn't just one race on top of everything constantly. BW winrate graphs have nice sinusoid shapes for almost all the matchups, while the SC2 graph only consistently shows one thing - Terran on top.

Adding to this, those that say Terran is dominant in BW are deluding themselves. True, the bonjwas are mostly Terran, but thats like saying Zerg is dominant because NesTea is a good player. If you look at PL statistics, it is 49%, 50%, 51% winrate, for T, Z, P respectively. That's pretty amazing if you ask me. Outside of Flash and Fantasy, Terrans aren't nearly as good and actually, there are a ton of Zergs who are really good and are better than the majority of Terran players.

This cannot be said enough: outside korea there has been no indication of protoss being the weaker race.

No indication of Protoss being the weaker race outside Korea in BW? o.O

In SC2 there's less and less of a division between "outside Korea" and "inside Korea" as more and more Korean players travel to international events, and more and more foreigners move to Korea to train and compete in GSL. And it's not like Protoss is doing especially well in foreign tournaments anyway. Even at Orlando like half the Top8 are Korean Terrans.

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