 p00rc0ntr0l Afghanistan. November 02 2011 09:41. Posts 1 | Profile # |
How the fuck is InControl still featured... I didn't know re-streaming "The Biggest Loser" qualified as an sc2 stream.
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| dAPhREAk Nauru. November 02 2011 09:45. Posts 8760 | Profile Blog # |
On November 02 2011 09:41 p00rc0ntr0l wrote:
How the fuck is InControl still featured... I didn't know re-streaming "The Biggest Loser" qualified as an sc2 stream.
throwaway account for a throwaway post. incontrol >> you. |
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| Peas Canada. November 02 2011 09:49. Posts 102 | Profile # |
On November 02 2011 09:31 Insane wrote:
Obviously I have a personal issue with the way Protech conducts himself. I don't feel TL should be representing that as a stream they are promoting (which is essentially what a "featured stream" is). I have no real intention of watching Protech, and I can turn around the comment on you: if you do want to watch his stream, you can easily do that when he's not featured. How many other streamers with "less than conventional" behavior than Destiny does TL feature? Destiny is wildly popular (perhaps #2 in popularity after Idra for stream viewership? I'm not 100% going to say that, but I think that's about right), and that's why he's streamed. [Also, you may have missed the post where Destiny announced it, but he's on the whole much more reserved on stream than he used to be]
Protech calls people like Optikzero and Select cheaters. Are you actually saying they are known cheaters? I've never heard of them that way.
If you read the topic about it, there are a lot of high level 2v2ers who feel similarly that Protech is a poor representation of the 2v2 community.
I dont believe for a moment that he called those guys cheaters. I watch his stream often and I've never heard a clearly dubious accusation. The odd occasion in which he is purely speculating, he admits as much and simply reasons why he thinks its possible.
Moreover, you are using Protech's behaviour as an argument against his suitability as a featured streamer, not me. To this I say a) his behaviour is hardly questionable (can you explain how it is?), b) while I can still watch his stream if he remains un-featured, this is besides the point. I am advocating for him to remain featured because I think he and his SC2 "career" deserve it.
I'll ask again, what exactly would TL be promoting if they kept his stream featured, that you feel they should not be promoting? I've already explained how his cheat accusations are reasonable, and how he actively provides positive things such as informative commentary. Keep in mind that If you call into question his language (curse words) or occasional in game BM, you'd have to maintain the same for a slew of other streamers. |
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| Zephirdd Brazil. November 02 2011 09:53. Posts 4632 | Profile Blog # |
On an unrelated note, I find it amusing that TobiWanKenobi is not on the "featured" list, considering his huge viewership(even though it's not through TL), and that there is support for non-SC2 "Other" featured streams.
Well, it would make sense tho as TWK is a Dota2 streamer and probably have nothing to do with TL, but he does meet the 'requirements'.
Just my thoughts.
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| CursedFeanor Canada. November 02 2011 09:53. Posts 534 | Profile # |
I can't believe you removed ProTech from the feature list!
He is basically the only high (TOP) level 2v2 streamer out there, with notable accomplishments end relatively high viewer count (every time I watch, it's something around 200). He streams a LOT, interacts with the viewers and owns faces.... What do you need more TL?
Or is it that TL officially doesn't recognize 2v2 (while recognizing shit like DOTA2)??? |
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| ProTech November 02 2011 10:01. Posts 238 | Profile # |
On November 02 2011 09:31 Insane wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 09:25 Peas wrote:
On November 02 2011 08:41 Insane wrote:
I like 2v2, and have played quite a lot of it. That said, Protech, with his rampant bm, cheat accusations, bans, and caustic manner, is a bad representation of the 2v2 community.
For people who enjoy his stream, they can still watch it, but I'm glad to see TL not endorsing such behavior.
It sounds like you have a personal issue with the way Protech conducts himself. If you dont like what he says and how he plays, then YOU should not watch his stream. Trying to use those things as arguments for him remaining un-featured is farcical at best. TL supports a lot of streamers with less than conventional behaviour (of which Destiny is a glaring example), and that's not at all to say Protech's behaviour is even particularly, as you say, caustic. If you think that one of the best 2v2 players calling out known cheaters while providing his viewers commentary on LEGITIMATE, SELF DEVELOPED, 2v2 strategies and gameplay is a bad representation of the 2v2 community, then you are a bad representation of the SC2 community.
Obviously I have a personal issue with the way Protech conducts himself. I don't feel TL should be representing that as a stream they are promoting (which is essentially what a "featured stream" is). I have no real intention of watching Protech, and I can turn around the comment on you: if you do want to watch his stream, you can easily do that when he's not featured. How many other streamers with "less than conventional" behavior than Destiny does TL feature? Destiny is wildly popular (perhaps #2 in popularity after Idra for stream viewership? I'm not 100% going to say that, but I think that's about right), and that's why he's streamed. [Also, you may have missed the post where Destiny announced it, but he's on the whole much more reserved on stream than he used to be] Protech calls people like Optikzero and Select cheaters. Are you actually saying they are known cheaters? I've never heard of them that way. If you read the topic about it, there are a lot of high level 2v2ers who feel similarly that Protech is a poor representation of the 2v2 community.
I would like you to search my vods, and show me where I called karl and select stream cheaters. I don't believe i EVER said that and i'm pretty sure I would NEVER say something like that.
I know karl from the BW days, and he is my on my friends list. We play 2v2s all the time. So why would I say something stupid like that? And if I did say something like ( which im pretty sure i didn't ) I take it back, and it was probably just completely and utterly out of rage of losing 3-15 against them.
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| Fuhrmaaj November 02 2011 10:03. Posts 167 | Profile # |
| I don't understand your metric, so I can't make a cogent argument for my preferred streamers. I would like to see Attero, Maker and Vibe back. Or at least a more visible section for players who are currently on teams. |
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| RyanRushia United States. November 02 2011 10:05. Posts 2612 | Profile Blog # |
On November 01 2011 23:05 delHospital wrote:
I don't like this change.
People worth watching, who play the game at a high level and (in contrast to many featured streamers) use a microphone to interact with their audience, such as deathangel, protech, ryanrushia and response, are being put together with bronze league players. I don't think I will feel like crawling through this list very often, so most likely I will end up not watching them at all. This seems bad for both parties involved \:
much obliged delHospital... but i clearly haven't been able to put in the time recently that i'd like to for streaing, not surprised i was removed.
i will however continue to stream, so if you are able to wade through the other unfeatured lists please feel free to visit  |
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| Peas Canada. November 02 2011 10:05. Posts 102 | Profile # |
On November 02 2011 10:03 Fuhrmaaj wrote:
I don't understand your metric, so I can't make a cogent argument for my preferred streamers. I would like to see Attero, Maker and Vibe back. Or at least a more visible section for players who are currently on teams.
I dont quite understand it either. It seems to overvalue accomplishments and undervalue popularity, but not consistently. O.o. |
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| SanD__ Netherlands. November 02 2011 10:11. Posts 28 | Profile # |
I wish to pose a consideration for the streaming customization options.
Is it possible to include League (ie GM, Master, Diamond and lower) in the sorting options for the streams?
Perhaps this might be fair towards GM players that are not featured, but I understand that this may have its particular implications for lower league players as well. This is something I was contemplating and thought best to post for the TL staff to see and for stream viewers to respond to.
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| drop271 New Zealand. November 02 2011 10:20. Posts 277 | Profile Blog # |
I just wanted to add my 2 cents - I really enjoy ProTech's stream. Its one I often find myself tuning into if one of my prefered 1v1 guys isn't on. Its always a high standard, includes some comments about why things do and do not work etc, and principally, its the only 2v2 stream so deserves some consideration for its rarity imo!
Just my 2cents, would like to see it featured.
Regarding language etc - tbh I think its pretty mild. The odd swearword maybe, but seriously, we're not becoming that anodyne are we? |
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| 0ne Spain. November 02 2011 10:23. Posts 2464 | Profile Blog # |
| Bring back Inka please, it's one of the best protoss streams. His tournament results are as good as other featured players and he has a lot of viewers when he is active. |
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| ProgramMax United States. November 02 2011 10:30. Posts 1 | Profile # |
| I enjoy megumi's broadcast. I'll give her my vote. |
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| Canadaehz Canada. November 02 2011 10:32. Posts 58 | Profile # |
| Feature QxGInka please. He doesn't get a lot of views but he should be getting a lot more coming in because of the recent pickups of Destiny and Sase. Also it would be hurting his way to support himself by playing Starcraft. If you want E-Sports to grow you should support pro-gamers by letting them make some extra side cash and at the same time gaining fans. |
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| Kooun Canada. November 02 2011 10:38. Posts 242 | Profile # |
| There's a bad ratio between good and bad feedback in the protech's stream thread. I heard that he randomly accused people of stream cheating. If he is de-featured, he won't be able to blame anyone except for himself or his allies. |
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| phiinix United States. November 02 2011 10:38. Posts 1126 | Profile Blog # |
I could care less if trump was featured. He's still listed in the others section, and with the stricter requirement, any trump fan (myself) will easily see his name anytime he's streaming since there are fewer names. If players who want to watch you can watch you when they want to, it shouldn't mattered if you're featured or not. He doesn't really gain anything to be featured other than a tag. It's not hurting his viewership.
Edit: Adding league would be cool, when I'm looking at the non featured, I look for masters/grand masters, and then by raceLast edit: 2011-11-02 10:40:06 |
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| General_Winter United States. November 02 2011 10:48. Posts 73 | Profile # |
A lot of people hve been saying this, but I'll reiterate we want inka and Attero back.
More broadly, I would say that users anywhere in the world should be able to log on at any time and find a GM toss, GM Terran, and GM Zerg in the featured list. Instead of being completly rigid in the criteria, they should be applied in a way to ensure that GM level streams are there for the views. Right now the north American viewers have had all their toss cut. |
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| Beatus Canada. November 02 2011 10:52. Posts 101 | Profile # |
Attero!!  Last edit: 2011-11-02 10:52:35 |
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| drop271 New Zealand. November 02 2011 11:01. Posts 277 | Profile Blog # |
On November 02 2011 10:38 Daiki wrote:
There's a bad ratio between good and bad feedback in the protech's stream thread. I heard that he randomly accused people of stream cheating. If he is de-featured, he won't be able to blame anyone except for himself or his allies.
Is basing your comment on what you have 'heard' from people rather than seen for yourself really appropriate?
How do you know he isn't justified?
Irregardless, your logic is poor. Being defeatured doesn't stop people watching his stream |
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| Peas Canada. November 02 2011 11:07. Posts 102 | Profile # |
On November 02 2011 10:38 Daiki wrote:
There's a bad ratio between good and bad feedback in the protech's stream thread. I heard that he randomly accused people of stream cheating. If he is de-featured, he won't be able to blame anyone except for himself or his allies.
1) Your logic is horribly flawed
2) Stop basing your opinion on hearsay
3) Do you even watch Protech?
edit: looks like drop271 beat me to itLast edit: 2011-11-02 11:08:30 |
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