| neoghaleon55 United States. November 05 2011 22:53. Posts 6193 | Profile Blog # |
On November 05 2011 22:37 Psychobabas wrote:
I cant help but ask you since you are a chemist. Just how corrosive is the shit they're injecting?
Well that competely depends on what shit they use to synthesize it
It's a fairly simple synthesis
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There's a couple of things I can see that are fucking people up
-heavy metal used for catalysis
-HCl
- and most importantly :Thionyl chloride or SOCl2
that shit will fuck you up. Health hazard of 4/4 in terms of NFPA 704
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| Piggiez November 05 2011 23:01. Posts 386 | Profile # |
. . .While heroin costs from £20 to £60 per dose, desomorphine can be "cooked" from codeine-based headache pills that cost £2 per pack, and other household ingredients available cheaply from the markets.
Where in the fuck did they get these numbers? |
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| Notfragile Greece. November 05 2011 23:03. Posts 593 | Profile # |
On November 05 2011 22:53 neoghaleon55 wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 22:37 Psychobabas wrote:
I cant help but ask you since you are a chemist. Just how corrosive is the shit they're injecting?
Well that competely depends on what shit they use to synthesize it It's a fairly simple synthesis + Show Spoiler +There's a couple of things I can see that are fucking people up -heavy metal used for catalysis -HCl - and most importantly :Thionyl chloride or SOCl2 that shit will fuck you up. Health hazard of 4/4 in terms of NFPA 704
It is said in the articles regarding Krokodil, that they make it by using domestically available chemicals. Thionyl chloride does definately not belong in this category, therefore I believe they must be using an alternative route. Heavy metals are also out of question, I believe. Only easily accessible heavy metal is Lead and this is not used in organic calatysis. |
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| Biff The Understudy France. November 05 2011 23:03. Posts 4017 | Profile Blog # |
On November 05 2011 21:56 Seldentar wrote:
Ehhhhhhhhh... well at least less than 0.0001% of the population of the world will actually use it. Only those who are already super fucked up would consider it.
But then again, maybe this is the beginning of the zombie apocalpyse? xD
You get infected with their saliva and you become a zombie too!
That's not very funny.
My God, this is horrendous. Who is the idiot who invented this monstrosity?
On November 05 2011 21:03 XsebT wrote:
Duno if it's a crisis reaction I'm having (though I'm feeling completely calm), but I can only laugh at how stupid this is. X_X
People rotting to death because of an extraordinarily addictive drug. Hilarious.Last edit: 2011-11-05 23:05:38 |
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| MtlGuitarist97 United States. November 05 2011 23:04. Posts 353 | Profile # |
Being 14 I don't think I can ever take drugs after seeing this thread.
This is horrifying and to think that these people willfully take this, scary thought. I don't understand how someone could possibly inject this shit into themselves. Hopefully this doesn't come into the US although it inevitably will. I don't think I can ever look at someone that does drugs the same way after seeing some of these images... |
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| Hister United States. November 05 2011 23:07. Posts 89 | Profile # |
| Some people will do anything to get high ever see some of zombies that get high off spray paint. Rotting flesh though I honestly am a little surprised such a thing is seen as a viable high whats next get a cheap high but your dick falls off? |
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| Xiron Germany. November 05 2011 23:09. Posts 1153 | Profile # |
On November 05 2011 23:04 MtlGuitarist97 wrote:
Being 14 I don't think I can ever take drugs after seeing this thread.
This is horrifying and to think that these people willfully take this, scary thought. I don't understand how someone could possibly inject this shit into themselves. Hopefully this doesn't come into the US although it inevitably will. I don't think I can ever look at someone that does drugs the same way after seeing some of these images...
Your friend comes up to you and tells you that he found an insanly nice drug, that is cheaper than vodka but makes you higher than you've ever been. Since you are a poor russian in this case, this is awesome to escape the poor boring life around you, so you try it. Now you are addicted. You didnt know about what happens to your body, but now you dont care anymore since it was so awesome, youll do it again no matter what the cost. |
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| Sotamursu Finland. November 05 2011 23:13. Posts 608 | Profile # |
| This isn't exactly that new. I read about this something like a year ago, but still it's pretty bad stuff. |
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| neoghaleon55 United States. November 05 2011 23:16. Posts 6193 | Profile Blog # |
According to this video
http://www.vice.com/vice-news/siberia-krokodil-tears-full-length
The ingredients people who cook this stuff uses are
Caffetin: paracetamol, propyphenazone, codeine phosphate and caffeine
Formic Acid: Corrosive level 3 NFPA 704
Tropikamid: Corrosive level 2 NFPA 704
Petrol(gasoline): probably as an organic solvent
So probably the formic acid, tropikamid and gasoline are screwing them overLast edit: 2011-11-05 23:30:12 |
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| Grettin November 05 2011 23:23. Posts 20496 | Profile # |
On November 05 2011 23:16 neoghaleon55 wrote:According to this video http://www.vice.com/vice-news/siberia-krokodil-tears-full-lengthThe ingredients people who cook this stuff uses are Caffetin: paracetamol, propyphenazone, codeine phosphate and caffeine Formic Acid: Corrosive level 3 NFPA 704 Tropikamid Petrol(gasoline): probably as an organic solvent So probably the formic acid and gasoline are screwing them over
Didn't they say those eye-drops(tropikamid) destroys inner-organs or something? Or did i just read/understood wrong.Last edit: 2011-11-05 23:27:00 |
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| BlindSC2 United Kingdom. November 05 2011 23:25. Posts 430 | Profile # |
Just typed 'Krokodil' into youtube and watched the second video.... wish I didn't
This shit is absolutely horrific, and I'm almost glad I don't understand why people do this to themselves. I mean OK its a very cheap high and first timers may well be ignorant of the results of sustained use... but god damnit man I'm just lost for wordsLast edit: 2011-11-05 23:27:16 |
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| GeneralStan United States. November 05 2011 23:27. Posts 2889 | Profile Blog # |
On November 05 2011 20:55 arbitrageur wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:52 Sumsi wrote:
On November 05 2011 20:45 arbitrageur wrote:
On youtube there's people with actually JUST A MASSIVE BONE for a limb -- No flesh at all, pure bone.
Crazy.
I wonder what the most hardcore libertarians would say about the legalization of this. Clearly this crap needs to be stymied as much as possible. Feel so bad for the people hooked on it.
If you criminalize the use of drugs the whole market goes to the underground with all consequences which includes: - bad drug quality - higher prices - horror products like "Krokodil" etc. - addicts avoid the public when being treated as criminals etc. I guess in a "hardcore liberterian world" things like "Krokodil" wouldn't even exist.
So legalize all drugs including Krokodil? Or legalize all drugs except ones like Krokodil, in the hopes that Krokodil users will switch to Heroin?
Legalize ALL drugs. Given the choice between medically pure and relatively safe heroin and this shit, no addict is going to choose the latter. The horror stories of impure drugs and routine overdoses are symptoms of the black market, not inherent risks in the drugs themselves. I see this and the seething injustice that strikes me is that the safer drugs which could help addicts aren't available due to the high and mighty moral viewpoints of those who would make them illegal. |
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| neoghaleon55 United States. November 05 2011 23:28. Posts 6193 | Profile Blog # |
On November 05 2011 23:23 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 23:16 neoghaleon55 wrote:According to this video http://www.vice.com/vice-news/siberia-krokodil-tears-full-lengthThe ingredients people who cook this stuff uses are Caffetin: paracetamol, propyphenazone, codeine phosphate and caffeine Formic Acid: Corrosive level 3 NFPA 704 Tropikamid Petrol(gasoline): probably as an organic solvent So probably the formic acid and gasoline are screwing them over
Didn't they say those eye-drops(tropikamid) destroys inner-organs or something? Or did i just read/understood wrong.
You're right
Tropikamid has level 2 corrosive NFPA 704
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| Manit0u Poland. November 05 2011 23:30. Posts 9847 | Profile Blog # | |
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 SecondChance Australia. November 05 2011 23:31. Posts 603 | Profile # |
Fuck me. That is fucking disgusting; and I have no idea what would possess people to continue this behavior. Feed insatiable addiction and watch you fucking flesh rot off or go down the road of recovery and withdraw symptoms. I know what I would choose.
That's all I have to say about that.
On November 05 2011 23:27 GeneralStan wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:55 arbitrageur wrote:
On November 05 2011 20:52 Sumsi wrote:
On November 05 2011 20:45 arbitrageur wrote:
On youtube there's people with actually JUST A MASSIVE BONE for a limb -- No flesh at all, pure bone.
Crazy.
I wonder what the most hardcore libertarians would say about the legalization of this. Clearly this crap needs to be stymied as much as possible. Feel so bad for the people hooked on it.
If you criminalize the use of drugs the whole market goes to the underground with all consequences which includes: - bad drug quality - higher prices - horror products like "Krokodil" etc. - addicts avoid the public when being treated as criminals etc. I guess in a "hardcore liberterian world" things like "Krokodil" wouldn't even exist.
So legalize all drugs including Krokodil? Or legalize all drugs except ones like Krokodil, in the hopes that Krokodil users will switch to Heroin?
Legalize ALL drugs. Given the choice between medically pure and relatively safe heroin and this shit, no addict is going to choose the latter. The horror stories of impure drugs and routine overdoses are symptoms of the black market, not inherent risks in the drugs themselves. I see this and the seething injustice that strikes me is that the safer drugs which could help addicts aren't available due to the high and mighty moral viewpoints of those who would make them illegal.
How can you be ok with legalizing drugs like Heroin from a moral standpoint?
That shit should not be allowed and drug use should not be condoned.Last edit: 2011-11-05 23:33:08 |
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| Scribble November 05 2011 23:31. Posts 1937 | Profile Blog # |
On November 05 2011 14:48 JasperGrimm wrote:its mind blowing that someone would allow themselves to deteriorate to the point of the pictures ive seen... is getting high really more important than having skin on your arm? I'll stick with weed 
Addiction is a horrific and powerful thing. It's not as simple as, "I want to get high really bad," it's an irrational overwhelming physiological compulsion. For most, it's something far too hard to just 'will' themselves through.
Think of it this way: Have you ever decided that you drink too much soda or that you want to go on a diet? Think of how hard resisting cravings are. Now multiply that feeling by a thousand and your approaching what addiction feels like. As a rational adult you can tell yourself, "I don't need this," all you want, but when your body is screaming out for something as if it can't function otherwise things change.
If everything I'm reading about this drug turns out to be true, I hope word spreads quick. |
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| Pika Chu Romania. November 05 2011 23:33. Posts 2495 | Profile Blog # |
Fuck. I wish i didn't read the thread/see the pictures.
This is a lot worse than heroin even, at least with that you got a chance of escaping but with this one it's lost unless you don't go to hospital right away.
And i don't even see the solution for this. At least heroin cannot be homemade and police is constantly cracking down on dealers, but this drug can be made by any poor depressed uneducated guy who is happily suiciding without knowing. |
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| Manit0u Poland. November 05 2011 23:36. Posts 9847 | Profile Blog # |
| It could spread through the emo population... |
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| Snuggles United States. November 05 2011 23:37. Posts 1752 | Profile Blog # |
On November 05 2011 23:27 GeneralStan wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 20:55 arbitrageur wrote:
On November 05 2011 20:52 Sumsi wrote:
On November 05 2011 20:45 arbitrageur wrote:
On youtube there's people with actually JUST A MASSIVE BONE for a limb -- No flesh at all, pure bone.
Crazy.
I wonder what the most hardcore libertarians would say about the legalization of this. Clearly this crap needs to be stymied as much as possible. Feel so bad for the people hooked on it.
If you criminalize the use of drugs the whole market goes to the underground with all consequences which includes: - bad drug quality - higher prices - horror products like "Krokodil" etc. - addicts avoid the public when being treated as criminals etc. I guess in a "hardcore liberterian world" things like "Krokodil" wouldn't even exist.
So legalize all drugs including Krokodil? Or legalize all drugs except ones like Krokodil, in the hopes that Krokodil users will switch to Heroin?
Legalize ALL drugs. Given the choice between medically pure and relatively safe heroin and this shit, no addict is going to choose the latter. The horror stories of impure drugs and routine overdoses are symptoms of the black market, not inherent risks in the drugs themselves. I see this and the seething injustice that strikes me is that the safer drugs which could help addicts aren't available due to the high and mighty moral viewpoints of those who would make them illegal.
Oh jeez don't spark up a liberterian argument in here... Let's just discuss how horrible this drug is... we can all agree that is it horrible.
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| MLG_Wiggin United States. November 05 2011 23:42. Posts 765 | Profile Blog # |
| I've seen some pretty ugly shit, but this is like something in a sci-fi movie. It's (unfortunately) not surprising to me that someone would be addicted to something that is incredibly damaging to your body. It is surprising to me that they would use something so incredibly devastating in such a visual fashion. Things like heroin and coccaine will kill you, sure. They won't make flesh literally rot off you. It's like something you'd see in Blade Runner. |
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