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| Battleaxe United States. November 11 2011 05:49. Posts 746 | Profile Blog # |
| Thread got way too wacky for me as well. GL HF |
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| Risen United States. November 11 2011 05:52. Posts 5847 | Profile Blog # |
On November 11 2011 05:45 Jibba wrote:
Ok, so you're saying OJ is clean. How about Nixon? Can we all agree that since he was never prosecuted or impeached, he seemed like a pretty nice guy?
Nixon was never tried, and it is my opinion that OJ was guilty. Does this change anything?
I'm not arguing that Paterno is innocent here. I am stating that as it stands now, it is wrong for you to judge him based off speculation. That's what I've been trying to hammer this entire time.
It is a failing of me and members of the community that we hold a grudge against OJ after he has been declared innocent by people who were actually in the courtroom.
As for Nixon, it is a failing of our political system that he was not tried. Were he tried and found innocent I would expect him to be treated as such. I think it's clear that were he tried he would not have been, so instead we must use our judgement based upon what we know as fact. Now that all the facts are out, I would not trust Nixon.
All I'm asking is that you and others hold judgement until all the facts are out. They are not as of yet. As I said earlier, you have a gut feeling that I share. It is probable that JoePa will have some role to play in this that we do not know about yet. Until such a time, though, I will not condemn him based upon speculation or what I "know". |
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| 1Eris1 United States. November 11 2011 05:52. Posts 5797 | Profile # |
| Jibba I agree with your sentiments and conclusions but I think you need to chill out a bit bro. |
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 Jibba United States. November 11 2011 05:54. Posts 20233 | Profile Blog # | |
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| bonifaceviii Canada. November 11 2011 05:55. Posts 2841 | Profile # |
| Whoa. There's a lot of hair-pulling, mouth-frothing rage in this thread. |
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| Slurpy November 11 2011 05:55. Posts 41 | Profile # |
To those people saying that the student body at Penn State University are rioting purely because of football are flat wrong. Joe Vincent Paterno has done more for this school than anyone in the history of Penn State. He donated the money that built the 10 Million dollar Library which is named after him.
While I agree the rioting and destruction of campus infrastructure is wrong, there is more to this riot than the blind allegiance of a school to its head coach of football for over 40 years. When someone has worked for a school that long and has given so much back to the school, the abrupt immediate firing over speculation is plain wrong. Paterno deserves more than this |
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| Risen United States. November 11 2011 05:55. Posts 5847 | Profile Blog # |
On November 11 2011 05:54 Jibba wrote:
What does this have to do with anything? It supports the fact that maybe JoePa was under the assumption that the issue had been investigated and nothing had been found. |
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| Jibba United States. November 11 2011 05:58. Posts 20233 | Profile Blog # |
Nothing had been found, but the disturbed GA who saw the rape occur was soon promoted and it was left at that.
At what point, in your opinion, does it become JoePa's moral responsibility to find out what's happening? Is the GA lying? Or is it ok for Sandusky, as long as he's only a molester and not a rapist (which fits with JoePa's statement) to hang around the program?
If McQueary lightened what he saw for JoePa, but JoePa still believes what he was told and passes it on, then JoePa would still believe that Sandusky was molesting a boy in the shower room. So we're at the point where JoePa believes Sandusky was molesting (not raping) a boy in the shower room. Nothing comes of it from the AD, so JoePa drops it? And still allows him access to his buildings?Last edit: 2011-11-11 06:00:45 |
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| stokes17 United States. November 11 2011 05:59. Posts 1381 | Profile # |
On November 11 2011 05:55 Risen wrote:What does this have to do with anything? It supports the fact that maybe JoePa was under the assumption that the issue had been investigated and nothing had been found.
I can't stay away ahh!!
No dood it doesn't show that. If there was an investigation and nothing was found.... why the fuck would you promote McQuerey to head of recruiting after making such a heinous baseless claim? |
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| Happylime United States. November 11 2011 05:59. Posts 133 | Profile # |
Feel for the young boys whom he molested. Sad story, and per usual the media is directed away from the tragedy and into something as petty as the coach being fired for not taking the right course of action to help these boys and put Sandusky to immediate justice.
Had he been convicted in 1998 that would have spared 6 kids from his actions. |
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| Pacifist Israel. November 11 2011 06:01. Posts 1658 | Profile # |
On November 11 2011 05:55 Risen wrote:What does this have to do with anything? It supports the fact that maybe JoePa was under the assumption that the issue had been investigated and nothing had been found.
You are either trolling us all or the most naive man in the world. |
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| Risen United States. November 11 2011 06:01. Posts 5847 | Profile Blog # |
On November 11 2011 05:58 Jibba wrote:
Nothing had been found, but the disturbed GA who saw the rape occur was soon promoted and it was left at that.
At what point, in your opinion, does it become JoePa's moral responsibility to find out what's happening? Is the GA lying? Or is it ok for Sandusky, as long as he's only a molester and not a rapist (which fits with JoePa's statement) to hang around the program?
If McQueary lightened what he saw for JoePa, but JoePa still believes what he was told and passes it on, then JoePa would still believe that Sandusky was molesting a boy in the shower room. So we're at the point where JoePa believes Sandusky was molesting (not raping) a boy in the shower room. Nothing comes of it from the AD, so JoePa drops it? And still allows him access to his buildings?
On November 11 2011 05:59 stokes17 wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 05:55 Risen wrote:
On November 11 2011 05:54 Jibba wrote:
What does this have to do with anything? It supports the fact that maybe JoePa was under the assumption that the issue had been investigated and nothing had been found.
I can't stay away ahh!! No dood it doesn't show that. If there was an investigation and nothing was found.... why the fuck would you promote McQuerey to head of recruiting after making such a heinous baseless claim?
It shows that McQuerey was really good at recruiting. Why else would McQuerey stay knowing the man he had accused was still around?
Edit: I am not naive, I have stated that I believe in my gut that JoePa knew more or didn't do everything in his power to stop the actions of Sandusky. I am reserving judgement until something confirms my gut feelings, though. Which is what I expect everyone else to do. Some people disagree with this.Last edit: 2011-11-11 06:03:41 |
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| RCMDVA United States. November 11 2011 06:03. Posts 348 | Profile # |
Outside of the military... I can think of no other profession where men work together longer and more closely than a coaching staff in college football.
The hours they work are insane. Medical school intern insane.
I would absolutely guarantee you that JoePa has spent more waking hours with Jerry Sandusky than his wife or any of his children.
If there is one person on Earth that JoePa could say he "knew" it would be Jerry Sandusky. They were working 12 to 16 hour days together, every day, for 30 years. |
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| Jibba United States. November 11 2011 06:03. Posts 20233 | Profile Blog # |
On November 11 2011 06:01 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 05:58 Jibba wrote:
Nothing had been found, but the disturbed GA who saw the rape occur was soon promoted and it was left at that.
At what point, in your opinion, does it become JoePa's moral responsibility to find out what's happening? Is the GA lying? Or is it ok for Sandusky, as long as he's only a molester and not a rapist (which fits with JoePa's statement) to hang around the program?
If McQueary lightened what he saw for JoePa, but JoePa still believes what he was told and passes it on, then JoePa would still believe that Sandusky was molesting a boy in the shower room. So we're at the point where JoePa believes Sandusky was molesting (not raping) a boy in the shower room. Nothing comes of it from the AD, so JoePa drops it? And still allows him access to his buildings?
Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 05:59 stokes17 wrote:
On November 11 2011 05:55 Risen wrote:
On November 11 2011 05:54 Jibba wrote:
What does this have to do with anything? It supports the fact that maybe JoePa was under the assumption that the issue had been investigated and nothing had been found.
I can't stay away ahh!! No dood it doesn't show that. If there was an investigation and nothing was found.... why the fuck would you promote McQuerey to head of recruiting after making such a heinous baseless claim?
It shows that McQuerey was really good at recruiting. Why else would McQuerey stay knowing the man he had accused was still around?
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| JinNJuice United States. November 11 2011 06:05. Posts 244 | Profile # |
On November 11 2011 06:03 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 06:01 Risen wrote:
On November 11 2011 05:58 Jibba wrote:
Nothing had been found, but the disturbed GA who saw the rape occur was soon promoted and it was left at that.
At what point, in your opinion, does it become JoePa's moral responsibility to find out what's happening? Is the GA lying? Or is it ok for Sandusky, as long as he's only a molester and not a rapist (which fits with JoePa's statement) to hang around the program?
If McQueary lightened what he saw for JoePa, but JoePa still believes what he was told and passes it on, then JoePa would still believe that Sandusky was molesting a boy in the shower room. So we're at the point where JoePa believes Sandusky was molesting (not raping) a boy in the shower room. Nothing comes of it from the AD, so JoePa drops it? And still allows him access to his buildings?
On November 11 2011 05:59 stokes17 wrote:
On November 11 2011 05:55 Risen wrote:
On November 11 2011 05:54 Jibba wrote:
What does this have to do with anything? It supports the fact that maybe JoePa was under the assumption that the issue had been investigated and nothing had been found.
I can't stay away ahh!! No dood it doesn't show that. If there was an investigation and nothing was found.... why the fuck would you promote McQuerey to head of recruiting after making such a heinous baseless claim?
It shows that McQuerey was really good at recruiting. Why else would McQuerey stay knowing the man he had accused was still around?
JoePa's statements indicate that he believed McQueary. So if that's true, again, JoePa believed Sandusky was molesting a boy in the shower room in 2002.
Ok seriously, you guys are all debating circumstantial evidence that can't be used to prove or disprove anything. Someone obviously dropped the ball on this issue. I'm pretty sure no sane person with a good conscience can hear the words "10 year old boy + sex" without some sort of strong response. The guilty parties are the ones who heard this and made the worst kind of judgement call which is to avoid scandal and bury this issue. Paterno definitely could have done a lot more, but don't crucify the guy for trusting the system.Last edit: 2011-11-11 06:06:10 |
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| stokes17 United States. November 11 2011 06:05. Posts 1381 | Profile # |
On November 11 2011 06:01 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 05:58 Jibba wrote:
Nothing had been found, but the disturbed GA who saw the rape occur was soon promoted and it was left at that.
At what point, in your opinion, does it become JoePa's moral responsibility to find out what's happening? Is the GA lying? Or is it ok for Sandusky, as long as he's only a molester and not a rapist (which fits with JoePa's statement) to hang around the program?
If McQueary lightened what he saw for JoePa, but JoePa still believes what he was told and passes it on, then JoePa would still believe that Sandusky was molesting a boy in the shower room. So we're at the point where JoePa believes Sandusky was molesting (not raping) a boy in the shower room. Nothing comes of it from the AD, so JoePa drops it? And still allows him access to his buildings?
Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 05:59 stokes17 wrote:
On November 11 2011 05:55 Risen wrote:
On November 11 2011 05:54 Jibba wrote:
What does this have to do with anything? It supports the fact that maybe JoePa was under the assumption that the issue had been investigated and nothing had been found.
I can't stay away ahh!! No dood it doesn't show that. If there was an investigation and nothing was found.... why the fuck would you promote McQuerey to head of recruiting after making such a heinous baseless claim?
It shows that McQuerey was really good at recruiting. Why else would McQuerey stay knowing the man he had accused was still around? Edit: I am not naive, I have stated that I believe in my gut that JoePa knew more or didn't do everything in his power to stop the actions of Sandusky. I am reserving judgement until something confirms my gut feelings, though. Which is what I expect everyone else to do. Some people disagree with this.
Ok so if the accuser and the one being accused both still work at the university. That means the case was not resolved. Because either McQuerey lied, or Snadusky raped a kid. One of those must be true, and failing to determine which is true, by sweeping the whole thing under the rug is a cover up.
Joe saw this going on, and turned a blind eye. Idn how many more times i need to say it
He should have done more
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| willll United States. November 11 2011 06:05. Posts 73 | Profile Blog # |
On November 11 2011 05:55 Slurpy wrote:
To those people saying that the student body at Penn State University are rioting purely because of football are flat wrong. Joe Vincent Paterno has done more for this school than anyone in the history of Penn State. He donated the money that built the 10 Million dollar Library which is named after him.
While I agree the rioting and destruction of campus infrastructure is wrong, there is more to this riot than the blind allegiance of a school to its head coach of football for over 40 years. When someone has worked for a school that long and has given so much back to the school, the abrupt immediate firing over speculation is plain wrong. Paterno deserves more than this
Not really. Child molestation is horrible, and Joe Paterno, though a lovable member of the community for many years, chose to ignore what was going on, even following an eyewitness report from a member of his own staff.
To say it is speculation is absurd. Paterno admits that he knew what was happening (though not the particulars), and did not call the police. He admitted this in court testimony. The witness testified that he told Paterno what he had seen. This is not speculation, this is reality.
The students of Penn State are way in the wrong. It is embarrassing. |
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| InToTheWannaB United States. November 11 2011 06:06. Posts 4744 | Profile # |
On November 11 2011 05:55 Slurpy wrote:
To those people saying that the student body at Penn State University are rioting purely because of football are flat wrong. Joe Vincent Paterno has done more for this school than anyone in the history of Penn State. He donated the money that built the 10 Million dollar Library which is named after him.
While I agree the rioting and destruction of campus infrastructure is wrong, there is more to this riot than the blind allegiance of a school to its head coach of football for over 40 years. When someone has worked for a school that long and has given so much back to the school, the abrupt immediate firing over speculation is plain wrong. Paterno deserves more than this
wtf I don't care if Joepa was a saint for 40 years until this. There some things that are in inexcusable. Turning a blind eye towards a child molester is one of them. There no coming back from that. 40 years of collateral and good will does not even begin to cover the bill for this one. Last edit: 2011-11-11 06:08:51 |
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| stokes17 United States. November 11 2011 06:08. Posts 1381 | Profile # |
On November 11 2011 06:05 JinNJuice wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 11 2011 06:03 Jibba wrote:
On November 11 2011 06:01 Risen wrote:
On November 11 2011 05:58 Jibba wrote:
Nothing had been found, but the disturbed GA who saw the rape occur was soon promoted and it was left at that.
At what point, in your opinion, does it become JoePa's moral responsibility to find out what's happening? Is the GA lying? Or is it ok for Sandusky, as long as he's only a molester and not a rapist (which fits with JoePa's statement) to hang around the program?
If McQueary lightened what he saw for JoePa, but JoePa still believes what he was told and passes it on, then JoePa would still believe that Sandusky was molesting a boy in the shower room. So we're at the point where JoePa believes Sandusky was molesting (not raping) a boy in the shower room. Nothing comes of it from the AD, so JoePa drops it? And still allows him access to his buildings?
On November 11 2011 05:59 stokes17 wrote:
On November 11 2011 05:55 Risen wrote:
On November 11 2011 05:54 Jibba wrote:
What does this have to do with anything? It supports the fact that maybe JoePa was under the assumption that the issue had been investigated and nothing had been found.
I can't stay away ahh!! No dood it doesn't show that. If there was an investigation and nothing was found.... why the fuck would you promote McQuerey to head of recruiting after making such a heinous baseless claim?
It shows that McQuerey was really good at recruiting. Why else would McQuerey stay knowing the man he had accused was still around?
JoePa's statements indicate that he believed McQueary. So if that's true, again, JoePa believed Sandusky was molesting a boy in the shower room in 2002.
Ok seriously, you guys are all debating circumstantial evidence that can't be used to prove or disprove anything. Someone obviously dropped the ball on this issue. I'm pretty sure no sane person with a good conscience can hear the words "10 year old boy + sex" without some sort of strong response. The guilty parties are the ones who heard this and made the worst kind of judgement call which is to avoid scandal and bury this issue. Paterno definitely could have done a lot more, but don't crucify the guy for trusting the system.
I'm not crucifying him, I'm holding him morally responsible |
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| Eventine United States. November 11 2011 06:08. Posts 210 | Profile Blog # |
On November 11 2011 05:55 Slurpy wrote:
To those people saying that the student body at Penn State University are rioting purely because of football are flat wrong. Joe Vincent Paterno has done more for this school than anyone in the history of Penn State. He donated the money that built the 10 Million dollar Library which is named after him.
While I agree the rioting and destruction of campus infrastructure is wrong, there is more to this riot than the blind allegiance of a school to its head coach of football for over 40 years. When someone has worked for a school that long and has given so much back to the school, the abrupt immediate firing over speculation is plain wrong. Paterno deserves more than this
Reading the articles about Paterno, all of them talk about how big of an influence he has been for the people he coached. And even last night when he received the news, the told the kids on his lawn to go home, sleep and study. He's not just a legend in the college football sense, he's a mentor and a father figure to many people.
On November 11 2011 06:03 RCMDVA wrote:
Outside of the military... I can think of no other profession where men work together longer and more closely than a coaching staff in college football.
The hours they work are insane. Medical school intern insane.
I would absolutely guarantee you that JoePa has spent more waking hours with Jerry Sandusky than his wife or any of his children.
If there is one person on Earth that JoePa could say he "knew" it would be Jerry Sandusky. They were working 12 to 16 hour days together, every day, for 30 years.
Can we stop with speculation (not that I don't trust you, but your guarantee as an outsider holds little weight)? There are many things we think about the situation, but adding speculation doesn't help the discussion. |
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