| Veritas United Kingdom. November 22 2011 01:58. Posts 78 | Profile # |
Update 2.5.5 (2012-08-03): Fixed some 1.5 issues.
Hey TL,
The past few days I've been working on the successor to Build Order Notebook. Since it has become more than just a build order notebook, I've decided that a new name is in order.
Originally I had planned to not give BON any further development, but the other night I was watching CatZ use a program called SC2 XSplit Scene Switcher. My first thought was "Cool, I bet BON could use something like that", which led to me researching how it works and discoving that R1CH made a cool little application called StarInfo as well. Both of these applications are a large inspiration for the new features of SC2 Scrapbook.
Anyone who used BON previously will likely enjoy SC2 Scrapbook. There are a fair amount of cool new features, and a fair amount of bugfixes too.
To use the overlay, YOU MUST USE WINDOWED MODE. The way this overlay works is the same way there is absolutely no reason to get banned for using it. It's an invisible window, not a DirectX overlay injection.
And of course, no post is complete without pretty screenshots.
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Source Code on Bitbucket
Requires .NET Framework 4.0.
Protips:
The move the build overlay, drag the title.
To lock the overlay, double click inside the overlay content.+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +Last edit: 2012-08-03 11:43:17 |
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| Waah United States. November 22 2011 02:05. Posts 120 | Profile # |
| Thank you, will try it out. |
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| beAwsm Germany. November 22 2011 02:07. Posts 8 | Profile # |
| Wow, really really helpful! Thanks alot! I will definitely use it everytime I play until I get the BO's down! |
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| Glacierz United States. November 22 2011 02:07. Posts 467 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Glacierz United States. November 22 2011 02:10. Posts 467 | Profile Blog # |
| Would it be difficult to put approximate time stamps on each of the steps? Or somehow highlight the step based on how far the game has progressed? Last edit: 2011-11-22 02:12:01 |
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| rasers Sweden. November 22 2011 02:15. Posts 611 | Profile # |
holy fuck... actually start learning the game and dont let some programs or the game itself do everything for u guys...
now go make a bot that makes the build order for u so u can go afk the first 5minutes or what? ... roflLast edit: 2011-11-22 02:15:56 |
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| FMStyles Germany. November 22 2011 02:15. Posts 138 | Profile # |
| First those race timers and now a ingame buildorder manager, are you guys serious? |
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| Veritas United Kingdom. November 22 2011 02:18. Posts 78 | Profile # |
On November 22 2011 02:10 Glacierz wrote:
Would it be difficult to put approximate time stamps on each of the steps? Or somehow highlight the step based on how far the game has progressed?
Probably not. Ideally I want to update the built in builds frequently, but I didn't have the timings available to me for the majority of these. They're all user editable, though.
On November 22 2011 02:15 FMStyles wrote:
First those race timers and now a ingame buildorder manager, are you guys serious?
The core part of the application is a build order manager. The in game options are entirely that. Options. Not mandatory.
On November 22 2011 02:15 rasers wrote:
holy fuck... actually start learning the game and dont let some programs or the game itself do everything for u guys...
now go make a bot that makes the build order for u so u can go afk the first 5minutes or what? ... rofl
Unfortunately we're not all blessed with photographic memory like you evidently are.
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| Glacierz United States. November 22 2011 02:18. Posts 467 | Profile Blog # |
On November 22 2011 02:15 rasers wrote:
holy fuck... actually start learning the game and dont let some programs or the game itself do everything for u guys...
now go make a bot that makes the build order for u so u can go afk the first 5minutes or what? ... rofl
I'm pretty sure that's not the point of this... I see a lot of utility in using this as a way to optimize certain builds/timings past the beginning 5 minutes. |
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| ELA Denmark. November 22 2011 02:27. Posts 4567 | Profile # |
| This looks really nice! Good job OP, im sure this will be very useful |
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| -swordguy United States. November 22 2011 02:28. Posts 560 | Profile Blog # |
| In customs this is fine for refining/practicing builds but on ladder I would definitely consider this cheating. This is a real time strategy game and requires people to learn builds and counters if they want to achieve some kind of success. The person that remembers their build and the counters will have the advantage and should win. By adding the build order overlays you take out that important part of the game ( I know you still have to execute the build but remembering it is just as important) and that makes it easier for people to play. The game is meant to take a lot of practice in order to learn/optimize the builds and this program will help with that but using a 3rd party source just isn't acceptable in my opinion (and in the TOS). |
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| PiLoKo Mexico. November 22 2011 02:29. Posts 144 | Profile # |
On November 22 2011 02:15 rasers wrote:
holy fuck... actually start learning the game and dont let some programs or the game itself do everything for u guys...
now go make a bot that makes the build order for u so u can go afk the first 5minutes or what? ... rofl
Yeah, keep yourself close minded not to know this is a great practice tool.
Keep the good work, this one is great for all those low league players who can´t do a BO, this will help them a lot improve their game. |
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| Grumbels Netherlands. November 22 2011 02:32. Posts 3418 | Profile Blog # |
On November 22 2011 02:18 Veritas. wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 02:10 Glacierz wrote:
Would it be difficult to put approximate time stamps on each of the steps? Or somehow highlight the step based on how far the game has progressed?
Probably not. Ideally I want to update the built in builds frequently, but I didn't have the timings available to me for the majority of these. They're all user editable, though.
Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 02:15 FMStyles wrote:
First those race timers and now a ingame buildorder manager, are you guys serious?
The core part of the application is a build order manager. The in game options are entirely that. Options. Not mandatory.
Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 02:15 rasers wrote:
holy fuck... actually start learning the game and dont let some programs or the game itself do everything for u guys...
now go make a bot that makes the build order for u so u can go afk the first 5minutes or what? ... rofl
Unfortunately we're not all blessed with photographic memory like you evidently are.
I like the idea. From what I take it, if you want to practice a build order you can have it as an overlay on your screen as a reminder? I really dislike learning new build orders myself, it's so obnoxious and I always wish I could speed up the process to the point where I know intuitively what to do. Unfortunately, that requires a fair bit of playing versus the AI to practice builds and such, so it's just not a terribly fun thing to do.
More broadly, I don't see what people's opposition is to these sort of out-of-game aids. Do you really think that any pro ever is going to cheat using this in a competitive match? When that moment arrives we can sort it out and in the meantime can't this be a nice tool to help make the game more fun for the masses?
On November 22 2011 02:28 -swordguy wrote:
In customs this is fine for refining/practicing builds but on ladder I would definitely consider this cheating. This is a real time strategy game and requires people to learn builds and counters if they want to achieve some kind of success. The person that remembers their build and the counters will have the advantage and should win. By adding the build order overlays you take out that important part of the game ( I know you still have to execute the build but remembering it is just as important) and that makes it easier for people to play. The game is meant to take a lot of practice in order to learn/optimize the builds and this program will help with that but using a 3rd party source just isn't acceptable in my opinion (and in the TOS).
The ladder is for playing games. It's the feature in this game designed for letting you just keep playing games against human players, so how else can you practice? (for most players) An aid for memorizing build orders will do the exact same thing as a friend standing next to you helping you with your build. Is that cheating too? Last edit: 2011-11-22 02:36:21 |
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| Veritas United Kingdom. November 22 2011 02:34. Posts 78 | Profile # |
On November 22 2011 02:28 -swordguy wrote:
In customs this is fine for refining/practicing builds but on ladder I would definitely consider this cheating. This is a real time strategy game and requires people to learn builds and counters if they want to achieve some kind of success. The person that remembers their build and the counters will have the advantage and should win. By adding the build order overlays you take out that important part of the game ( I know you still have to execute the build but remembering it is just as important) and that makes it easier for people to play. The game is meant to take a lot of practice in order to learn/optimize the builds and this program will help with that but using a 3rd party source just isn't acceptable in my opinion (and in the TOS).
And the difference between using this instead of notepad is... ?
Having the build in your eyeline rather than having to alt tab or look at a different monitor is considerably easier. Although I'm excited to hear your method of learning a build that doesn't involve looking at it and then doing it. |
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| Vinski November 22 2011 02:35. Posts 487 | Profile # |
| Can you get banned for using this? Because in the past there was a large problem with people getting banned for using a simple RaidCall overlay which allowed people to see who was talking in a VOIP channel. Anyone know about this one? |
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| Glacierz United States. November 22 2011 02:37. Posts 467 | Profile Blog # |
| I dont see how this can possibly get you banned. I can just have a piece of note taped on my monitor plus a timer that does same thing... |
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| ahri Croatia. November 22 2011 02:37. Posts 18 | Profile # |
| It's less cheat than audio build order thingie anyway. |
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| Veritas United Kingdom. November 22 2011 02:38. Posts 78 | Profile # |
On November 22 2011 02:35 Vinski wrote:
Can you get banned for using this? Because in the past there was a large problem with people getting banned for using a simple RaidCall overlay which allowed people to see who was talking in a VOIP channel. Anyone know about this one?
There was a large discussion about this in the previous thread. I seem to recall someone saying RaidCall people got unbanned and it was an error.
The overlays are nothing but an invisible window with text on. Nothing illegal about it. |
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| Grumbels Netherlands. November 22 2011 02:40. Posts 3418 | Profile Blog # |
On November 22 2011 02:34 Veritas. wrote:
Show nested quote +On November 22 2011 02:28 -swordguy wrote:
In customs this is fine for refining/practicing builds but on ladder I would definitely consider this cheating. This is a real time strategy game and requires people to learn builds and counters if they want to achieve some kind of success. The person that remembers their build and the counters will have the advantage and should win. By adding the build order overlays you take out that important part of the game ( I know you still have to execute the build but remembering it is just as important) and that makes it easier for people to play. The game is meant to take a lot of practice in order to learn/optimize the builds and this program will help with that but using a 3rd party source just isn't acceptable in my opinion (and in the TOS).
And the difference between using this instead of notepad is... ? Having the build in your eyeline rather than having to alt tab or look at a different monitor is considerably easier. Although I'm excited to hear your method of learning a build that doesn't involve looking at it and then doing it.
A question to you: have you ever thought about creating a more complete SC2 environment? I've always thought that to properly learn SC2, especially if you intend to be a bit more professional about it, it should be important to reflect on your games, to set goals for future practice sessions and such. In short, you need a professional environment to help you manage these aspects. And while it's possible to just write stuff down in notepad, it seems like there could be a bit of a market for managing software here. |
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| Glacierz United States. November 22 2011 02:41. Posts 467 | Profile Blog # |
On November 22 2011 02:28 -swordguy wrote:
In customs this is fine for refining/practicing builds but on ladder I would definitely consider this cheating. This is a real time strategy game and requires people to learn builds and counters if they want to achieve some kind of success. The person that remembers their build and the counters will have the advantage and should win. By adding the build order overlays you take out that important part of the game ( I know you still have to execute the build but remembering it is just as important) and that makes it easier for people to play. The game is meant to take a lot of practice in order to learn/optimize the builds and this program will help with that but using a 3rd party source just isn't acceptable in my opinion (and in the TOS).
So you are saying it is cheating if I tape a notecard under my monitor with the same content? |
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