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| Xiron Germany. July 27 2012 08:31. Posts 1152 | Profile # |
I'm no way a gymnast, but what I can see is that plastic will make your hands sweat, get slippery and will make holding yourself a pain in the ass. Wood means you won't sweat and have a strong grip.
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| eshlow United States. July 27 2012 09:58. Posts 5004 | Profile # |
Wood feels much better, and is easier to do things like muscle ups on them because of the slip as everyone has said.
but if you want the cheaper ones that it is fine. I have some plastic ones too and theyre fine for all exercises |
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| eshlow United States. July 27 2012 10:00. Posts 5004 | Profile # |
On July 26 2012 19:09 eLyx wrote:
Hey guys although this is mainly a question for eshlow,
I have been reading the articles on eatmoveimprove, and the bodyweight thread here on TL, and have been wondering if you could answer a question for me. I've got a too straight spine, which i think is called posterior pelvic tilt. I'm doing something called Funktionstraining, which means literally functiontraining (doctors here prescribe it when you have back pains, knee problems etc., and it is done in groups where you do lots of stability, mobility and stretching exercises but for all kinds of patients not specially for back troubles), as well as glute, hamstring and abdominal stretches at home. I am painfree except for really long sitting sessions. Now I would like to know if there would be reasons not to start bodyweight strength training with my condition or if there aren't if there is things i would need to take into consideration when building a routine.
Nope, bodyweight training will be fine for you to start, especially as you will get stronger and it should help your back |
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| eLyx Germany. July 29 2012 21:42. Posts 31 | Profile # |
Alright so I bought your book eshlow and I gotta say so far it is a very interesting and informative read ( couldnt finish it yet, its really extensive after all :D, I did look at most or all chapter summarys though, those were a very good idea ).
I made a routine and would love to get some feedback from you:
I am 178 cm and 74 kg ( lost 12 kg this year through better nutrition and some sports ), roughly 10% bodyfat according to the YMCA method (dunno if that is interesting or not). My general goals are some hypertrophy, especially in the chest, but mainly gaining strength and flexibility to be able to perform some of those awesome skills. According to your despcriptions about hypertrophy and strength gains related to training intensity and volume, the looks i desire would come naturally from training in this sort of manner anyway. I do not have any background in strength training.
Warm Up
Skill Work - Handstands and L-Sits working towards Manna
Work Out - Pushups (progression working towards 1 handed Pushups)
Bar Inverted Rows
Pullups (progression working towards 1 handed pullups)
Frog Stand (progression working towards full planche)
Legs ( working towards pistol squats )
Mobility/Flexibility - (most importantly hips (straddle, pike) spine (bridge) and shoulders)
Now in your book you recommend to pick your goals according to what you want to be able to do, but also recommend 1 vertical push downwards, e.g. dips. Do you think my proposed routine is imbalanced in that point or fine? I hope I didn't misunderstand anything in the book ( not a native speaker so it can happen from time to time i guess  ).
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| Soulfire United States. July 30 2012 09:51. Posts 229 | Profile # |
| One final question for you guys relating to ring setup (thanks again to you all and esp. eshlow, buying your book soon partially because of your kindness!): What is a safe way to set up rings at home? I've been googling but I'd like to see if any of you guys have experience doing this safely. I'm not a huge fan of my ceiling caving in. |
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| AndyJay Australia. July 30 2012 10:16. Posts 481 | Profile # |
| Well I have a big tree in the backyard so that works, also can hang them off the patio rafters. I know some people hang them off an iron gym (chin up bar thing that goes in the doorway) if they have nothing else. |
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| eshlow United States. July 30 2012 10:54. Posts 5004 | Profile # |
On July 29 2012 21:42 eLyx wrote:Alright so I bought your book eshlow and I gotta say so far it is a very interesting and informative read ( couldnt finish it yet, its really extensive after all :D, I did look at most or all chapter summarys though, those were a very good idea ). I made a routine and would love to get some feedback from you: I am 178 cm and 74 kg ( lost 12 kg this year through better nutrition and some sports ), roughly 10% bodyfat according to the YMCA method (dunno if that is interesting or not). My general goals are some hypertrophy, especially in the chest, but mainly gaining strength and flexibility to be able to perform some of those awesome skills. According to your despcriptions about hypertrophy and strength gains related to training intensity and volume, the looks i desire would come naturally from training in this sort of manner anyway. I do not have any background in strength training. Warm Up Skill Work - Handstands and L-Sits working towards Manna Work Out - Pushups (progression working towards 1 handed Pushups) Bar Inverted Rows Pullups (progression working towards 1 handed pullups) Frog Stand (progression working towards full planche) Legs ( working towards pistol squats ) Mobility/Flexibility - (most importantly hips (straddle, pike) spine (bridge) and shoulders) Now in your book you recommend to pick your goals according to what you want to be able to do, but also recommend 1 vertical push downwards, e.g. dips. Do you think my proposed routine is imbalanced in that point or fine? I hope I didn't misunderstand anything in the book ( not a native speaker so it can happen from time to time i guess ).
This is a pretty solid routine to start. As for dips you don't need anymore at the moment.... and in fact if you are coming from a reasonably unathletic background this may even be too much.
I would play it by feel; if it feels like too much then I would definitely cut out maybe 1-2 exercises but we'll see it's possible you can handle it right off of the bat. I'm probably going to scale down some of my "pure" beginner recommendations in the 2nd ed.
On July 30 2012 09:51 Soulfire wrote:
One final question for you guys relating to ring setup (thanks again to you all and esp. eshlow, buying your book soon partially because of your kindness!): What is a safe way to set up rings at home? I've been googling but I'd like to see if any of you guys have experience doing this safely. I'm not a huge fan of my ceiling caving in.
Easiest way if you have a basement is probably from rafters if you can
Ohterwise, if you have a doorway pullup bar you can hang it off those. Squat rack, or power tower or anyything like that works too
Outside also works too off a tree or any other thing that can support weight. |
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| mordek United States. July 31 2012 11:02. Posts 3300 | Profile Blog # |
| Just saw a manna in a floor exercise during the Olympics. Pretty sweet :D |
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| eshlow United States. August 01 2012 07:43. Posts 5004 | Profile # |
On July 31 2012 11:02 mordek wrote:
Just saw a manna in a floor exercise during the Olympics. Pretty sweet :D
Haha, yeah, it's pretty rare but a free C skill if they can do it... but most of the guys are going for D, E, F skills so they tend to ignore it |
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| Catch United States. August 12 2012 04:46. Posts 584 | Profile # |
What are some examples of D, E, and F skills if you don't mind me asking?
So I can hold an L-sit. My legs aren't perfectly straight, but I'm getting there. The problem is is that I cannot do an L-sit on the ground because I can't hold myself off the ground with my arms. What can I do to fix this? I've been overhead pressing a lot lately (I modified madcows to run OHP 2x a week), but beyond that I'm not sure what to do. |
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| Dead9 United States. August 12 2012 05:43. Posts 2310 | Profile Blog # |
can you hold yourself up if your legs are drawn in?
dips or pushups would probably help |
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| Catch United States. August 12 2012 05:59. Posts 584 | Profile # |
I cannot.
I've been doing pseudo planche push ups, so hopefully that will work. Dips are out of the questions though, since it causes pain along my trap. |
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| eshlow United States. August 12 2012 09:15. Posts 5004 | Profile # |
On August 12 2012 04:46 Catch wrote:
What are some examples of D, E, and F skills if you don't mind me asking?
So I can hold an L-sit. My legs aren't perfectly straight, but I'm getting there. The problem is is that I cannot do an L-sit on the ground because I can't hold myself off the ground with my arms. What can I do to fix this? I've been overhead pressing a lot lately (I modified madcows to run OHP 2x a week), but beyond that I'm not sure what to do.
FIG code of points
http://www.mediafire.com/?1trx491l7jt2qf1
You'll notice some similarities between the charts of OG and how the skills are rated
Can you do a tuck Lsit or one leg bent on ground? Alternatively, you can work L-sit on parallettes, chairs, rings, etc.
You need good hammy flexibility + good scapular depression (pecs, lats, low trap, etc.).. plus it helps if your arms are a bit longer but some people don't have that |
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| Catch United States. August 13 2012 03:40. Posts 584 | Profile # |
What an awesome download. Thanks eshlow.
The way I currently do my L-sits is by hanging from a chin up bar. I just did my first proper L-sit yesterday. I couldn't hold the correct position for too long. My only problem is that I cannot hold myself up with my arms; I can dangle there just fine, but actually holding myself off the ground is a bit difficult (meaning I can't do it.) |
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| GuiltyJerk United States. August 13 2012 06:26. Posts 479 | Profile Blog # |
| Holding yourself off the ground is the basis of the skill, as others have said dips should help you some, and working on having your legs tucked to your chest so that balance/leverage isn't working against you as much. |
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| eshlow United States. August 13 2012 11:24. Posts 5004 | Profile # |
Yep pretty much what Guilty said.
If you have some chairs or parallettes you can practice on those. You just need to get stronger! |
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| Burns United States. August 14 2012 03:51. Posts 1613 | Profile Blog # |
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| Catch United States. August 14 2012 07:30. Posts 584 | Profile # |
@Guilty and eshlow.
Thanks guys. I'll try tucked so the leverage isn't so bad.
I can't do dips since it actually causes me pain. I'll have to figure out a replacement. |
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| eshlow United States. August 16 2012 08:38. Posts 5004 | Profile # |
On August 14 2012 07:30 Catch wrote:
@Guilty and eshlow.
Thanks guys. I'll try tucked so the leverage isn't so bad.
I can't do dips since it actually causes me pain. I'll have to figure out a replacement.
Hmmm, if any type of progressive pushup variations doesn't hurt you can go with that |
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| bITt.mAN Switzerland. August 27 2012 19:24. Posts 3396 | Profile Blog # |
Bodyweight Training, COME BACK TO THE FRONT PAGE! <:
+ Show Spoiler [Long Version] ++ Show Spoiler [Rant] +I do not exercise to just be a number, not just be a mass or a diameter or a picture. I’m not one to be too comfortable putting all my numbers out on the internet to be judged immediately at face value. Yes aiming to have a nice body is nice, but what I’m far more focused on (in terms of physical progression) is being able ‘to do cool things’. That’s why I love bodyweight training, cause I don’t have to pay a cent to some sweaty gym just to pump up my ego, since that’s NOT what I’m looking for, but can still train in a way that leads to doing large, dynamic, FUN moves.
As an example, I’m sure a rowing machine is a great workout and you can get all strapping from it, but the exercise and result is the most repetitive, brain-dead boring thing ever! Yup, there’s a lot of room for creativity, self-expression and musicality on the rowing machine ^^ ! Granted I do do ‘dull’ repetitive strengthening exercises, but not as an ends in themselves, but as a means to progressing to doing what I call ‘fun stuff’. Ok end of rant here’s my question. I haven’t been eating very much recently but I can change that (vegetables and protein yummm). The job I’m working right now is quite draining and tiring. The hours aren’t that bad, but throw in the 45min bike ride commute each way, I’m quite tired at the end of the day. Before I took up riding my bike here (I’m at work now), I would go BreakDance training 3 times a week at the local mall after hours, but the work’s gotten a lot more demanding and I find I’m too tired to go train. There’s no magic fix, but what sort of questions should I be asking myself, and thinking about, pertaining to motivation? I planned this summer as one where I’d really progress and finally achieve some really hard moves I’ve been working towards for a while. But it seems like I’ve let the opportunities slip by, instead of grabbing and using them, and now I feel back in my old rut/downwards spiral of not progressing, feeling down about it, thus being de-motivated and working even less etc... The irony is, most of what I’m lacking now isn’t technique or mental understanding, its brute force determination and discipline to force my body to practice regularly until I’ve developed the musculature and strength necessary to do the stuff. Don’t worry about safety and pushing myself too hard. On the contrary I’ve always been one to highly prioritize mobility and not overstraining to keep up flexibility and minimize ‘down time’/’potential injuries’ (I’ve already had enough injuries to learn not to be too bull-headed and stupidly hurt myself by going too hard). You can read lots of stuff online tailored for people trying to use their (upper-)bodies like moo-cows (put on meat, to eat). But what guidelines/resources are there explaining training mentality and ‘how far you push yourself in a session’ with a gymnast’s focus. I did some as a kid, got injured for my life, and can only get back into it now, and didn’t get that training ): Would getting “Defying Gravity” be a good idea for explaining that mindset? Well, I’m gonna get it anyways, but I’m just gauging if I should wait till Christmas, or get it tomorrow ^^ I’m happy writing this much as I’d rather do this than job ATM.
TL;DR:
[Universal] In a tiring lifestyle, what are the things you think about to get you motivated to go train.
[Bodyweight] How do I gauge ‘how hard I train per session’ to not limit mobility and flexibility (I stretch a shit-ton) while still getting enough power for big movezz (e.g. gymnastics “Thomas”, powermoves in general etc.).
[Eshlow] Are there things your book covers which, in your experience, guys like me wouldn’t know they’re lacking? I’m also assistant teacher for BreakDance classes back in Uni, is your book a good resource for giving people basic progression training advice?
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